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#1 Bills04

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Posted 22 March 2018 - 08:50 AM

Bucs acquired Jason Pierre-Paul and a fourth-round pick from the Giants in exchange for a third-round pick and a fourth-round pick.

It is a stunning move both because of the paltry compensation and because it only saves the Giants $2.5 million against the cap this season while opening a massive hole on the depth chart.

 

Wow...  They also cut DRC.  I loved the Solder signing, but the rest of this off-season has me scratching my head.



#2 weepaws

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Posted 22 March 2018 - 09:11 AM

I thought it was snowing, but no it's you head scratching.

Oh just kidding

Yeah looks like they the Gmen are cleaning house.

It happens.

Go Wolfpack.

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1 John 3:16. Lamentations 3:25. Proverbs 10:27. Ephesians 6:13 Ezekiel 18:21-22
Proverbs 15:29. Proverbs 18:12. 1 John 2:1-2. Ephesians 6:19. 2 Timothy 2:3-4
Proverbs 23:12. Psalm 121:7-8. Ephesians 1:7. Deuteronomy 28:11-13. Romans 10:10.
2 Peter 3:9. Isaiah 5:21. Proverbs 11:2. Matthews 5:16. Romans 12:14
Psalm 58:11. Ezekiel 33:11-13. Hosea 14:9. Psalm 100:4. Romans 14:9.
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#3 TBayXXXVII

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Posted 22 March 2018 - 09:11 AM

Does this mean now that the Giants are drafting Chubb?



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Posted 22 March 2018 - 10:29 AM

This is to free up for OBJ next season



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Posted 22 March 2018 - 11:17 PM

It's a no-brainer the Giants should deal with Denver if they aren't taking a QB. Worst case they either get Chubb or Barkley at 5.

Cleveland-QB
Denver- QB
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Cleveland- Chubb or Barkley
Giants- Whoever Cleveland doesn't take.

#6 TBayXXXVII

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Posted 23 March 2018 - 06:21 AM

I don't think Denver is taking a QB.

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Posted 23 March 2018 - 08:04 AM

I don't think Denver is taking a QB.

I think they could potentially take one if the one they like falls to them here, but I don't think they'll move up to get one.  I think if any team deals with the Giants it will be the Bills.  If the Giants aren't going QB this year, they have so many needs it would make sense to take Buffalo's 2 #1's and get some OL help.



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Posted 23 March 2018 - 08:26 AM

I think they could potentially take one if the one they like falls to them here, but I don't think they'll move up to get one.  I think if any team deals with the Giants it will be the Bills.  If the Giants aren't going QB this year, they have so many needs it would make sense to take Buffalo's 2 #1's and get some OL help.

 

You could be right.  I'd say your scenario of taking a QB if one falls to them, is much more likely than them trading up to get one.  I believe that the odds on favorite are of them taking Chubb, Barkley, or Ward.



#9 weepaws

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Posted 24 March 2018 - 02:11 AM

They need to take Barkley.
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1 John 3:16. Lamentations 3:25. Proverbs 10:27. Ephesians 6:13 Ezekiel 18:21-22
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Posted 24 March 2018 - 09:53 AM

They need to take Barkley.


They do not need to take him

#11 weepaws

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Posted 24 March 2018 - 10:59 AM

Yes indeed they do need to take him, and it would be a disappointment too Gmen fans if they do not.

Thanks for the reply.
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Psalm 34:18. Ezra 8:22. 2 Corinthians 1:3. Ezekiel 36:26. Matthew 7:24-25
1 John 3:16. Lamentations 3:25. Proverbs 10:27. Ephesians 6:13 Ezekiel 18:21-22
Proverbs 15:29. Proverbs 18:12. 1 John 2:1-2. Ephesians 6:19. 2 Timothy 2:3-4
Proverbs 23:12. Psalm 121:7-8. Ephesians 1:7. Deuteronomy 28:11-13. Romans 10:10.
2 Peter 3:9. Isaiah 5:21. Proverbs 11:2. Matthews 5:16. Romans 12:14
Psalm 58:11. Ezekiel 33:11-13. Hosea 14:9. Psalm 100:4. Romans 14:9.
John 3:3-7. Philippians 2:11. Titus 2:11-14. Ephesians 4:2. Romans 11:33
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Posted 24 March 2018 - 11:37 AM

Yes indeed they do need to take him, and it would be a disappointment too Gmen fans if they do not.

Thanks for the reply.


Maybe they should take him? Not need.

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Posted 24 March 2018 - 12:06 PM

Yes indeed they do need to take him, and it would be a disappointment too Gmen fans if they do not.

Thanks for the reply.

Taking Barkley would definitely help the Giants be in position for a top pick again next year for sure. Making poor decisions with top draft picks can really help a bad team stay bad.

Then next year when they pick 1st overall, they can get the best punter at #1, then earn another top pick the following year. Do this until Manning finally leaves. Then they can start over completely and try to build a solid team.

Go Ramblers.

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Posted 24 March 2018 - 12:35 PM

Taking Barkley would definitely help the Giants be in position for a top pick again next year for sure. Making poor decisions with top draft picks can really help a bad team stay bad.

Then next year when they pick 1st overall, they can get the best punter at #1, then earn another top pick the following year. Do this until Manning finally leaves. Then they can start over completely and try to build a solid team.

Go Ramblers.

 

 

I don't think drafting Barkley would hurt the Giants.  I think with Barkley they're in position to win 10+ games.  That said, I think they're drafting Chubb.



#15 weepaws

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Posted 24 March 2018 - 01:11 PM

Maybe they should take him? Not need.


Yes they should, because they need too.

They lack any since of a rb1, and Barkley can help create instead help, which would help Manning and that entire offence.
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Isaiah 12:2. Luke 14:23. Daniel 4:37. 2 Kings 17:39. Nahum 1:7.
Psalm 34:18. Ezra 8:22. 2 Corinthians 1:3. Ezekiel 36:26. Matthew 7:24-25
1 John 3:16. Lamentations 3:25. Proverbs 10:27. Ephesians 6:13 Ezekiel 18:21-22
Proverbs 15:29. Proverbs 18:12. 1 John 2:1-2. Ephesians 6:19. 2 Timothy 2:3-4
Proverbs 23:12. Psalm 121:7-8. Ephesians 1:7. Deuteronomy 28:11-13. Romans 10:10.
2 Peter 3:9. Isaiah 5:21. Proverbs 11:2. Matthews 5:16. Romans 12:14
Psalm 58:11. Ezekiel 33:11-13. Hosea 14:9. Psalm 100:4. Romans 14:9.
John 3:3-7. Philippians 2:11. Titus 2:11-14. Ephesians 4:2. Romans 11:33
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#16 weepaws

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Posted 24 March 2018 - 01:13 PM

Taking Barkley would definitely help the Giants be in position for a top pick again next year for sure. Making poor decisions with top draft picks can really help a bad team stay bad.
Then next year when they pick 1st overall, they can get the best punter at #1, then earn another top pick the following year. Do this until Manning finally leaves. Then they can start over completely and try to build a solid team.
Go Ramblers.


I think they could be a playoff team with a player like Barkley
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Isaiah 12:2. Luke 14:23. Daniel 4:37. 2 Kings 17:39. Nahum 1:7.
Psalm 34:18. Ezra 8:22. 2 Corinthians 1:3. Ezekiel 36:26. Matthew 7:24-25
1 John 3:16. Lamentations 3:25. Proverbs 10:27. Ephesians 6:13 Ezekiel 18:21-22
Proverbs 15:29. Proverbs 18:12. 1 John 2:1-2. Ephesians 6:19. 2 Timothy 2:3-4
Proverbs 23:12. Psalm 121:7-8. Ephesians 1:7. Deuteronomy 28:11-13. Romans 10:10.
2 Peter 3:9. Isaiah 5:21. Proverbs 11:2. Matthews 5:16. Romans 12:14
Psalm 58:11. Ezekiel 33:11-13. Hosea 14:9. Psalm 100:4. Romans 14:9.
John 3:3-7. Philippians 2:11. Titus 2:11-14. Ephesians 4:2. Romans 11:33
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Posted 24 March 2018 - 01:31 PM

Wayne Gallman was drafted last year as was Davis Webb
Giants shound trade down a bit and take the pass rusher or trade down a bit mire and get one of the top o-linemen.



#18 weepaws

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Posted 24 March 2018 - 01:32 PM

Combine those two and you still don't have a rb1.
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Psalm 34:18. Ezra 8:22. 2 Corinthians 1:3. Ezekiel 36:26. Matthew 7:24-25
1 John 3:16. Lamentations 3:25. Proverbs 10:27. Ephesians 6:13 Ezekiel 18:21-22
Proverbs 15:29. Proverbs 18:12. 1 John 2:1-2. Ephesians 6:19. 2 Timothy 2:3-4
Proverbs 23:12. Psalm 121:7-8. Ephesians 1:7. Deuteronomy 28:11-13. Romans 10:10.
2 Peter 3:9. Isaiah 5:21. Proverbs 11:2. Matthews 5:16. Romans 12:14
Psalm 58:11. Ezekiel 33:11-13. Hosea 14:9. Psalm 100:4. Romans 14:9.
John 3:3-7. Philippians 2:11. Titus 2:11-14. Ephesians 4:2. Romans 11:33
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#19 Gepetto

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Posted 24 March 2018 - 01:36 PM

I think Gallman can be a rb1 this year
Webb is a QB

#20 weepaws

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Posted 24 March 2018 - 01:47 PM

Hey I know, together they don't make much this season is the point.

Gallman isn't a rb1 and won't be one

But hey one clown posted the Gmen should draft a punter.
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Isaiah 12:2. Luke 14:23. Daniel 4:37. 2 Kings 17:39. Nahum 1:7.
Psalm 34:18. Ezra 8:22. 2 Corinthians 1:3. Ezekiel 36:26. Matthew 7:24-25
1 John 3:16. Lamentations 3:25. Proverbs 10:27. Ephesians 6:13 Ezekiel 18:21-22
Proverbs 15:29. Proverbs 18:12. 1 John 2:1-2. Ephesians 6:19. 2 Timothy 2:3-4
Proverbs 23:12. Psalm 121:7-8. Ephesians 1:7. Deuteronomy 28:11-13. Romans 10:10.
2 Peter 3:9. Isaiah 5:21. Proverbs 11:2. Matthews 5:16. Romans 12:14
Psalm 58:11. Ezekiel 33:11-13. Hosea 14:9. Psalm 100:4. Romans 14:9.
John 3:3-7. Philippians 2:11. Titus 2:11-14. Ephesians 4:2. Romans 11:33
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Posted 24 March 2018 - 05:08 PM

I kind of hope the Giants draft Barkley. I am kind of rooting for the Browns to build up a good team. No fan base deserves to toil in misery for so long as they have.

So if the giants go RB at #2 then Chubb will most likely fall to the Browns. Then they get their favorite QB, and the best non QB player this year. Or maybe they even take the Notre Dame guard (who is the second best non QB in the draft this year) which is very cool. Wish the Bears could get him.

Go Ramblers. Final 4 coming up.

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Posted 24 March 2018 - 07:01 PM

Yes they should, because they need too.

They lack any since of a rb1, and Barkley can help create instead help, which would help Manning and that entire offence.


Yeah, but it's not a need.

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Posted 24 March 2018 - 10:03 PM

Yeah, but it's not a need.


He can make them a playoff team.

They indeed need him.
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Psalm 34:18. Ezra 8:22. 2 Corinthians 1:3. Ezekiel 36:26. Matthew 7:24-25
1 John 3:16. Lamentations 3:25. Proverbs 10:27. Ephesians 6:13 Ezekiel 18:21-22
Proverbs 15:29. Proverbs 18:12. 1 John 2:1-2. Ephesians 6:19. 2 Timothy 2:3-4
Proverbs 23:12. Psalm 121:7-8. Ephesians 1:7. Deuteronomy 28:11-13. Romans 10:10.
2 Peter 3:9. Isaiah 5:21. Proverbs 11:2. Matthews 5:16. Romans 12:14
Psalm 58:11. Ezekiel 33:11-13. Hosea 14:9. Psalm 100:4. Romans 14:9.
John 3:3-7. Philippians 2:11. Titus 2:11-14. Ephesians 4:2. Romans 11:33
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Posted 25 March 2018 - 09:33 AM

I think they could be a playoff team with a player like Barkley


And what without Barkley? The only position that is worth multiple extra wins is QB.

If the Giants are favored by 3 and Barkley randomly is out for the week, the ljne would hardly move. Maybe to 2.5.

Giants should start over and not ###### around

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Posted 25 March 2018 - 11:02 AM

And what without Barkley? The only position that is worth multiple extra wins is QB.
If the Giants are favored by 3 and Barkley randomly is out for the week, the ljne would hardly move. Maybe to 2.5.
Giants should start over and not ###### around

Dallas missed the playoffs last year solely because Elliott was out 6 games. There are some RB's who are legit difference makers.

If Lev Bell says "screw it" and retires, the Steelers will have a losing record. With him,they are a Super Bowl contender.

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Posted 25 March 2018 - 12:32 PM

Dallas missed the playoffs last year solely because Elliott was out 6 games. There are some RB's who are legit difference makers.

If Lev Bell says "screw it" and retires, the Steelers will have a losing record. With him,they are a Super Bowl contender.

Dallas lost 3 of their first 5 games with Elliott playing. Those games count too. There is no way to tell that they would have made the playoffs if he wasn't suspended. Plus, the Dallas o-line was, and still is, light years ahead of the Giants..



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Posted 25 March 2018 - 02:10 PM

Can't listen to non Giants fans about this upcoming draft. As a fan of the team, I think they cant make a bad choice here. QB, Barkley, Chubb, trade down. They were 3-13, but a year removed from 11 wins with a numbskull at the helm. They either get a big time player for now or build for the the future. I'm good either way. But the rest of you are going to dog them no matter what. Enjoy.

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Posted 25 March 2018 - 04:31 PM

As a fan of the team, I think they cant make a bad choice here.


It's good to know that every year the top picks in the draft are a sure homerun no matter who gets picked.

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Posted 25 March 2018 - 06:31 PM

And what without Barkley? The only position that is worth multiple extra wins is QB.
If the Giants are favored by 3 and Barkley randomly is out for the week, the ljne would hardly move. Maybe to 2.5.
Giants should start over and not ###### around


That's impossible for you to even know how much a line would move if the Gmen had Barkely and he missed a game.

That's a really silly post.

Thanks for the reply.

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Isaiah 12:2. Luke 14:23. Daniel 4:37. 2 Kings 17:39. Nahum 1:7.
Psalm 34:18. Ezra 8:22. 2 Corinthians 1:3. Ezekiel 36:26. Matthew 7:24-25
1 John 3:16. Lamentations 3:25. Proverbs 10:27. Ephesians 6:13 Ezekiel 18:21-22
Proverbs 15:29. Proverbs 18:12. 1 John 2:1-2. Ephesians 6:19. 2 Timothy 2:3-4
Proverbs 23:12. Psalm 121:7-8. Ephesians 1:7. Deuteronomy 28:11-13. Romans 10:10.
2 Peter 3:9. Isaiah 5:21. Proverbs 11:2. Matthews 5:16. Romans 12:14
Psalm 58:11. Ezekiel 33:11-13. Hosea 14:9. Psalm 100:4. Romans 14:9.
John 3:3-7. Philippians 2:11. Titus 2:11-14. Ephesians 4:2. Romans 11:33
1 Timothy 1:15. Psalm 119:6. Proverbs 22:4. Psalm 46:1. Romans 12:17-21

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Posted 26 March 2018 - 12:08 AM

It's good to know that every year the top picks in the draft are a sure homerun no matter who gets picked.


You're a dumbass. I'm talking strategy, anyone can see that. But you got your unfunny, unoriginal quip in.

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Posted 26 March 2018 - 05:03 AM

You're a dumbass. I'm talking strategy, anyone can see that. But you got your unfunny, unoriginal quip in.


Your strategy was, "they can't make a bad choice here". That is not true.

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Posted 26 March 2018 - 07:41 AM

HT does your user name have anything to do with the musician Steve Earl?
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#33 Hardcore troubadour

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Posted 26 March 2018 - 08:35 AM

HT does your user name have anything to do with the musician Steve Earl?


Yes. Great song

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Posted 26 March 2018 - 08:37 AM

Your strategy was, "they can't make a bad choice here". That is not true.


The strategy they employ won't be wrong. Of course the player can bust. That has to be said? Stop being a nuge

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Posted 26 March 2018 - 10:12 AM

Can't listen to non Giants fans about this upcoming draft. As a fan of the team, I think they cant make a bad choice here. QB, Barkley, Chubb, trade down. They were 3-13, but a year removed from 11 wins with a numbskull at the helm. They either get a big time player for now or build for the the future. I'm good either way. But the rest of you are going to dog them no matter what. Enjoy.


They have the 2nd overall pick. Of course they are going to have multiple options of top players.

I still dont see why they wouldnt be huge into going QB. Unless they dont like Rosen. By all means if Darnold is the only guy they like and he goes 1st then don't take one.

But I don't buy this philosophy that they are contenders Nd Eli has mutiple good years left. Odell is a headcase. Eli is over the hill. And their defense is in decline. Obviously they have nice options outside of QB. They pick 2nd overall.

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Posted 26 March 2018 - 10:14 AM

That's impossible for you to even know how much a line would move if the Gmen had Barkely and he missed a game.

That's a really silly post.

Thanks for the reply.

Proverbs 22:4


It isnt silly. I bet football and I have a feel of how much lines change over injury.

It wouldnt move much. QBs being out are the only ones who move the line a bunch.

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Posted 26 March 2018 - 10:18 AM

Yeah actually when it comes too this issue of drafting Barkley I think your post was very silly.

Line moves, oh my soul please.

Move on now.

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Isaiah 12:2. Luke 14:23. Daniel 4:37. 2 Kings 17:39. Nahum 1:7.
Psalm 34:18. Ezra 8:22. 2 Corinthians 1:3. Ezekiel 36:26. Matthew 7:24-25
1 John 3:16. Lamentations 3:25. Proverbs 10:27. Ephesians 6:13 Ezekiel 18:21-22
Proverbs 15:29. Proverbs 18:12. 1 John 2:1-2. Ephesians 6:19. 2 Timothy 2:3-4
Proverbs 23:12. Psalm 121:7-8. Ephesians 1:7. Deuteronomy 28:11-13. Romans 10:10.
2 Peter 3:9. Isaiah 5:21. Proverbs 11:2. Matthews 5:16. Romans 12:14
Psalm 58:11. Ezekiel 33:11-13. Hosea 14:9. Psalm 100:4. Romans 14:9.
John 3:3-7. Philippians 2:11. Titus 2:11-14. Ephesians 4:2. Romans 11:33
1 Timothy 1:15. Psalm 119:6. Proverbs 22:4. Psalm 46:1. Romans 12:17-21

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Posted 26 March 2018 - 10:20 AM

The strategy they employ won't be wrong. Of course the player can bust. That has to be said? Stop being a nuge

They are 0-1 in playoff games over the past 6 years. Similar to a bunch of bad teams in the league. And that makes you perfectly content in their decision making and strategies? The team is a mess right now.

Ian Rappaport recently reported Beckham won't set foot on a football field unless he get's his new contract that he wants. So now the giants have a problem with him (on and off the field) as well as bad lines, old QB, no running game, etc. This team is not set up well.

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Posted 26 March 2018 - 10:32 AM

Yeah actually when it comes too this issue of drafting Barkley I think your post was very silly.

Line moves, oh my soul please.

Move on now.

Psalm 126:5&6


No idea what you are talking about.

But the line would hardly move in 1 game. He being drafted doesnt automatically mean they will make the playoffs or win more games. No player other than QB swings it that much.

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Posted 26 March 2018 - 10:35 AM

They are 0-1 in playoff games over the past 6 years. Similar to a bunch of bad teams in the league. And that makes you perfectly content in their decision making and strategies? The team is a mess right now.

Ian Rappaport recently reported Beckham won't set foot on a football field unless he get's his new contract that he wants. So now the giants have a problem with him (on and off the field) as well as bad lines, old QB, no running game, etc. This team is not set up well.


The moment they moved Flowers out of LT they improved. Considerably. They spent no money b/w 2012 and 2015 and had bad drafts. Their last draft class looks good and they added Ogltree to a good defense that had no LB's. None. Top shelf safety, CB and D line. Let's not act like there is no talent.