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#1 Ray_T

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Posted 13 April 2018 - 01:59 AM

I wanna pose a question to you guys....

 

What if the Cleveland Browns didnt take a QB at 1 or at 4?

 

another question: If they took Barkley at #1.    what are the  odds that they can draft Chubb at #4?

 

They acquired Tyrod Taylor, and maybe he's not the sexy pick, but on a good team I could see him being a decent game manager.   dude doesnt turn over

 

He got the Bills to the playoffs and NOBODY was predicting big things for the Bills.

 

so if they got Chubb, that Defense would be elite within a couple of years, and with Barkley, the team would have a run game.

 

on difference maker on each side of the ball.

 

Tyrod is a fairly efficient QB.   with an elite D He may be good enough.    The dude doesnt turn over the football.

 

Thoughts?

 

 

 

 


3 keeper, 12 team league Standard scoring with QB getting -1 pt for an interception & fumbles 5 points for a defensive safety & 6 points for a defensive TD.

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#2 sirensong

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Posted 13 April 2018 - 02:36 AM

not bad reasoning, but they need a real QB in order to capitalize on the landry investment.  otherwise he's just an expensive luxury item with no strategic value.  it seems pretty clear that they want tyrod as a transitional guy, with this year's rookie starting in 2019.  that gives the new QB and landry 4 solid years together.  

 

barkley and a QB makes sense from a teambuilding perspective.  QB and chubb makes sense.  without the landry deal, RB and chubb would have made sense (call it the parcells model).  but the browns need to be banking on this season being their last chance for a top-5 pick.  if they're expecting to be awful yet again (to be able to draft a franchise QB next year), why would they bother even suiting up at all?  

 

IMO all signs point to barkley at 1 and whatever QB is left over at 4.  if they go QB at 1, then chubb is likely at 4 since barkley will probably be off the board.  IMO the 2nd scenario is probably the most cap-sustainable, since a stud RB getting a 2nd contract is a really sketchy proposition in terms of cap allocation.  PIT is dealing with this now, with DAL and JAX to follow in short order.



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Posted 13 April 2018 - 05:55 AM

The rumor I'm getting for my seahawks is. They already have a deal worked out with Cleveland. Depending on who's available of course, at that number 18 pick. But if the guy is there that the Browns want, its a done deal.

That doesn't have anything directly involved with your question. But I mention it because I'm sure your scenario is one of the many, many options they're looking at.
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#4 Vern357

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Posted 13 April 2018 - 07:57 AM

I actually like the barkley/chubb idea.  With Landry and a pass catching RB the west coast offense with a game manager suddenly makes a lot of sense.  And if the D can be next level, the game plan favors the team that controls the clock, doesnt make turnover, and lets the opponent defeat themselves.



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Posted 13 April 2018 - 08:08 AM

not bad reasoning, but they need a real QB in order to capitalize on the landry investment.  otherwise he's just an expensive luxury item with no strategic value.  it seems pretty clear that they want tyrod as a transitional guy, with this year's rookie starting in 2019.  that gives the new QB and landry 4 solid years together.  

 

barkley and a QB makes sense from a teambuilding perspective.  QB and chubb makes sense.  without the landry deal, RB and chubb would have made sense (call it the parcells model).  but the browns need to be banking on this season being their last chance for a top-5 pick.  if they're expecting to be awful yet again (to be able to draft a franchise QB next year), why would they bother even suiting up at all?  

 

IMO all signs point to barkley at 1 and whatever QB is left over at 4.  if they go QB at 1, then chubb is likely at 4 since barkley will probably be off the board.  IMO the 2nd scenario is probably the most cap-sustainable, since a stud RB getting a 2nd contract is a really sketchy proposition in terms of cap allocation.  PIT is dealing with this now, with DAL and JAX to follow in short order.

I actually don't think Barkly will be gone at 4. 

 

The Giants could draft Barkley, but I think it's more likely they go with QB or trade out for more picks given they have a lot of needs.  This is an RB deep draft and that can easily be addressed later in the draft.  If they trade out of the spot, its going to be a team like Buffalo or Zona that is moving up to get a QB.  The Jets are clearly going QB, so unless the G-men go Barkley he's going to be there at 4 if that's where Cleveland wants to go.  I think Chubb makes more sense for them otherwise the Carlos Hyde signing seems a bit bizarre for both parties involved.  No reason Hyde would sign on in Cleveland to become a marginalized player by mid-season and there's no need to pay the top FA RB if you are going to draft Barkley.  You could have gotten another FA RB to be a placeholder for less money.



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Posted 13 April 2018 - 10:05 AM

I actually don't think Barkly will be gone at 4. 
 
The Giants could draft Barkley, but I think it's more likely they go with QB or trade out for more picks given they have a lot of needs.  This is an RB deep draft and that can easily be addressed later in the draft.  If they trade out of the spot, its going to be a team like Buffalo or Zona that is moving up to get a QB.  The Jets are clearly going QB, so unless the G-men go Barkley he's going to be there at 4 if that's where Cleveland wants to go.  I think Chubb makes more sense for them otherwise the Carlos Hyde signing seems a bit bizarre for both parties involved.  No reason Hyde would sign on in Cleveland to become a marginalized player by mid-season and there's no need to pay the top FA RB if you are going to draft Barkley.  You could have gotten another FA RB to be a placeholder for less money.


Id go qb at 1, Chubb at 4. I agree that Chubb will still be there at 4.

Chubb and Garret would be a hell of a headache at end for an offense to deal with.

#7 ralphster

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Posted 13 April 2018 - 10:29 AM

I too think they go QB at 1 and Chubb at 4.
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#8 Ray_T

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Posted 13 April 2018 - 01:43 PM

honestly, the pick that worries me is the Giants.  

 

I think with the departure of Pierre-Paul I could see them grabbing Chubb.

 

I could also see the giants grabbing a RB.  

 

I truly think those are the most likely candidates for New York unless they trade down.


3 keeper, 12 team league Standard scoring with QB getting -1 pt for an interception & fumbles 5 points for a defensive safety & 6 points for a defensive TD.

Start 2 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 Kicker, one Def/Sp Tms

 

 

 

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#9 seafoam1

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Posted 13 April 2018 - 05:06 PM

I would rather have Chubb at 1 and Nelson at 4. They don't need an RB as much as the other positions. We were chatting about this last week in another thread. I'm all in on chubb and nelson if they go this route.

#10 Ray_T

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Posted 13 April 2018 - 07:56 PM

they also have enough draft picks to trade back into round 1 for another pick


3 keeper, 12 team league Standard scoring with QB getting -1 pt for an interception & fumbles 5 points for a defensive safety & 6 points for a defensive TD.

Start 2 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 Kicker, one Def/Sp Tms

 

 

 

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Posted 13 April 2018 - 08:43 PM

I would rather have Chubb at 1 and Nelson at 4. They don't need an RB as much as the other positions. We were chatting about this last week in another thread. I'm all in on chubb and nelson if they go this route.

 

The Browns spent $110 million on their 2 guards last year with new contracts.  There is no way in hell they draft another guard.  If they don't come away with a qb with either of their 2 picks it'd be the dumbest thing I've ever seen them do.  And I have seen a lot...



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Posted 13 April 2018 - 10:29 PM

 
The Browns spent $110 million on their 2 guards last year with new contracts.  There is no way in hell they draft another guard.  If they don't come away with a qb with either of their 2 picks it'd be the dumbest thing I've ever seen them do.  And I have seen a lot...

Yep. You have seen them take a lot of bad players. I get it. Thats why they should get chubbs and nelson if they dont go qb.

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#13 SaintsInDome2006

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Posted 14 April 2018 - 11:32 AM

The Browns may be alright this year with no QB drafted in the 1st but they have to do it for the future. Since Couch (who flopped) they have needed a franchise QB, they have to keep drafting them until they get one.,

#14 Ray_T

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Posted 17 April 2018 - 01:56 PM

The Browns may be alright this year with no QB drafted in the 1st but they have to do it for the future. Since Couch (who flopped) they have needed a franchise QB, they have to keep drafting them until they get one.,

well, they have Tyrod and Hyde.

 

I'd say both are decent quality starters.

 

I know Tyrod isnt the sexy pickup, but he did get the bills into the playoffs and I dont think the Bills are that good a team.

 

It wouldnt surprise me if they took Chubb at #1.   that Defense would be killer with Him and Garrett together.   It's also pretty much a slam dunk.

 

If they grabbed Chubb and James or Smith that defense would be set up for 5-10 years.

 

On offense, they signed Landry and they have Josh Gordon and Corey Coleman.

 

If Gordon returns to the play the way he should that's a pretty solid WR corp. 

 

If he doesnt, you can draft a WR in next year's draft.


3 keeper, 12 team league Standard scoring with QB getting -1 pt for an interception & fumbles 5 points for a defensive safety & 6 points for a defensive TD.

Start 2 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 Kicker, one Def/Sp Tms

 

 

 

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Posted 18 April 2018 - 08:50 AM

well, they have Tyrod and Hyde.

 

I'd say both are decent quality starters.

 

I know Tyrod isnt the sexy pickup, but he did get the bills into the playoffs and I dont think the Bills are that good a team.

 

It wouldnt surprise me if they took Chubb at #1.   that Defense would be killer with Him and Garrett together.   It's also pretty much a slam dunk.

 

If they grabbed Chubb and James or Smith that defense would be set up for 5-10 years.

 

On offense, they signed Landry and they have Josh Gordon and Corey Coleman.

 

If Gordon returns to the play the way he should that's a pretty solid WR corp. 

 

If he doesnt, you can draft a WR in next year's draft.

I can't see Cleveland going Chubb at 1 because it's so likely he'll be there at 4.  The Jets will go QB.  The Giants have options, but I think Chubb would be their 4th option.  Their options as I see them are

1 - Build for the future - QB

2 - Potential Best Player - Barkley

3 - Fill multiple roster holes  - Trade down

4 - Fill a specific need - Chubb / Barkley / Nelson

 

I think Chubb seems like a longshot for the Giants, at this point because they have so many needs and they have worked out some other d-line prospects that would be going later in round 1.  That would leave Chubb for Cleveland at 4.  Which is why I think Cleveland goes QB at 1 and Chubb at 4.  If they weren't going QB (highly unlikely) and kept the picks it would be Barkley 1 / Chubb 4.  However if they weren't going QB I'd have to believe they trade out of one of those spots, but again this isn't the prior ownership, they have a legit GM now and I cannot see them passing on QB here especially when they can still likely get Chubb at 4.



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Posted 18 April 2018 - 10:02 AM

Ever since the Browns traded for Taylor and signed Hyde, my opinion was that they should draft Chubb and #1 to lock down what "could" be a dominating defensive line for the next 3-10(?) years.  Then use the #4 pick on Fitzpatrick to boost secondary... or even trade down with Buffalo to pick up picks 12 and 22, and draft Hernandez, James, McGlinchey, or maybe even still get Fitzpatrick (at #12), and address other areas of need.  Then they still have picks 33, 35, and 64 where they may be able to add guys like Kolton Miller or Isaiah Wynn (on the line if they didn't get them in the 1st round), or Mike Hughes or Donte Jackson in the secondary.  They could fill every hole with a quality player.  In the 4th round, there's a chance that Falk or Lauletta could fall and they could use them as projects that they could develop for a couple years if they just give Taylor a 4-year deal.

 

 

In the end, I think they take a QB at #1 and take either Chubb or Nelson at 4.  Possibly Fitzpatrick... or even trade down.  I don't think they'll take Barkley.