Clinton Foundation

[Hardcore troubadour 12,589]

Shocked, shocked I tell you that while it may have done some good, it was really about making Bill and Hill rich. Turns out the head of the "foundation"', Doug Band, spent most of his time and the resources of the "charitable" foundation to get Bill lucrative speaking engagements and Iavish gifts and vacations. It was a Clinton foundation all right. Founded for the Clintons, first and foremost.

[drobeski 3,061]

Dirtbags, just like those who'd vote for her.

[MDC 5,877]

You should tell the Trump campaign so they can roll this bombshell out, Johnny on the Spot.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,589]

You should tell the Trump campaign so they can roll this bombshell out, Johnny on the Spot.

Just came out. Put down your Archie and Spiderman and read some news.

[drobeski 3,061]

CNN will be all over this news.

[MDC 5,877]

Just came out. Put down your Archie and Spiderman and read some news.

Just in time! Go to print!

[rholio 339]

Just in time! Go to print!

Another MSM attack on Hillary. Someone get skids on the case.

[Frank M 181]

RP reverting to RP form, posting eighteen political posts a day that he doesn't have links for and nobody except his dingleberry drobeski cares about. You know he's fully back when he starts posting about Nancy Pelosi as if anyone actually gave a sh1t about her as much as his obsessive ass.

 

It's only a matter of time.

[drobeski 3,061]

Nerve struck, scumbags will be scumbags.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,589]

RP reverting to RP form, posting eighteen political posts a day that he doesn't have links for and nobody except his dingleberry drobeski cares about. You know he's fully back when he starts posting about Nancy Pelosi as if anyone actually gave a sh1t about her as much as his obsessive ass.

 

It's only a matter of time.

Google doesn't work in the lab? Go find out for yourself. Get back to me.

[wiffleball 4,631]

Unlike those that just mindlessly parrot whatever talking point seems tastiest to them without educating themselves, I actually try to learn about an issue before vomitting it online to sound like I have a POV of my own. To wit:

 

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-doug-band-memo-20161026-story.html

 

 

 

Earlier that month, another hacked email shows, Chelsea Clinton had written Podesta, saying it was time to professionalize the foundation’s operations and complaining that her father had heard of “multiple examples of Teneo ‘hustling’ business” at Clinton Global Initiative meetings.

 

“Neither Justin nor I are separately compensated for these activities,” he wrote, referring to Justin Cooper, another Clinton aide who had joined him in Teneo.

The disputes continued through that year, emails show, with Band carping about Chelsea Clinton’s involvement — at one point he called her a “spoiled brat” — and pushing back against proposals to separate the foundation’s activities from business dealings. Band finally resigned from the foundation last year.

 

“

 

Rightly or wrongly,” Band said, because other fundraisers couldn’t deliver, he and Kelly pushed their clients to donate to the foundation; he also lined up speaking and consulting deals for Bill Clinton. In some cases, it worked the other way, with Teneo winning consulting contracts from foundation donors.

 

 

 

I mean, if you're going to cherry pick from the emails, you have to read everything involved. And in so doing:

 

1) Band used his role as an aide to Bill Clinton to form his own consulting company.

 

2) There is absolutely NO indication that any of the Clintons ever tasked Band with soliciting donations for the CF nor for Bill himself.

 

3) In fact, it appears that Band did so of his own volition - working for a separate consulting firm he himself founded in order to generate millions based upon his characterization of his 'influence' with the Clintons - all while the Clintons were nudging him out the door.

 

4) Moreover, from the leaked documents, it further appears that Band did so in order to derive business for his consulting firm. - Not just insinuating he had influence with the Clintons, but flat out saying it to potential clients.

 

5) All while the Clintons (primarily chelsea) were doing their best to tell the guy to go pound sand and stop trying to leverage off of the CF's name.

 

And,as has been discussed before, if peeling back the most sensitive emails of the Clintons, there still is yet to be any proof of Quid Pro Quo. - Even Fox said that just this morning.

 

 

In short, if anything, you have a story of Band working off the rez trying to line his own pockets by overstating his role with the Clintons. And, just like with LI, there is still no 'smoking gun' showing direct action by the State Dept on behalf of any donor to the CF. Again, even Fox said that today. At best, there's an appearance of shade, but no actual criminality - and this is AFTER pulling back the curtain on the most sensitive internal emails.

 

So, it's the same story yet again - Global NGO's meet with SOS's and other governmental agencies all the time. That's no story - unless you think Bill and Melinda Gates are dirty too. Colin Powell met with Global Organizations - for profit and otherwise. As did his predecessors as do other courntries' counterparts. That's not exactly newsworthy.

 

Again, if someone can find an instance where a foreign government or a for-profit MNC recieved favorable rulings / treatment that otherwise would NOT have been granted immediately after donating money to the CF and subsequently meeting with HRC, then there wold be some "there there", but so far, despite a monumental offort to find it, no one has uncovered any "there" "there".

[Reality 2,710]

It's amazing people are still defending the Clinton Foundation, it exists primarily as a slush fund for Bill and Hillary. Read the words sent by it's very own members.

 

It's beyond embarrassing at this point, see above.

[gutterslut 1]

I just want to know if the Clintons paid a fair amount of taxes or if they weaseled out of paying anything at all for decades.

[wiffleball 4,631]

It's amazing people are still defending the Clinton Foundation, it exists primarily as a slush fund for Bill and Hillary. Read the words sent by it's very own members.

 

It's beyond embarrassing at this point, see above.

 

No, actually it's not. In fact, neither Bill nor Hillary have ever been granted a salary for the Foundation. It actually does a great deal of good - and that's incontrovertible. I even educated Hardcore on that - to which he has begrudgingly agreed. It is a top rated charity and has done countless acts of good.

 

See, I actually have proven my point with independent sources - whilst you just make up a narrative - or more likely, follow one given to you that suits your needs. You DO know that there are actual Federal Forms that need to be filed for such charities under penalties of law, right? How many times have you pulled the CF's paperwork? I can answer that for myself. You can too - it's zero.

 

And really, what's the point of trying to educate people who don't want to be educated? You can hate HRC for various reasons, but an educated person would have a hard time bashing the CF / CGI.

[Mike Honcho 4,010]

No, actually it's not. In fact, neither Bill nor Hillary have ever been granted a salary for the Foundation. It actually does a great deal of good - and that's incontrovertible. I even educated Hardcore on that - to which he has begrudgingly agreed. It is a top rated charity and has done countless acts of good.

 

See, I actually have proven my point with independent sources - whilst you just make up a narrative - or more likely, follow one given to you that suits your needs. You DO know that there are actual Federal Forms that need to be filed for such charities under penalties of law, right? How many times have you pulled the CF's paperwork? I can answer that for myself. You can too - it's zero.

 

And really, what's the point of trying to educate people who don't want to be educated? You can hate HRC for various reasons, but an educated person would have a hard time bashing the CF / CGI.

 

Wiffle, in your first post you spoke of the "mindless parrots", instead of trying to educate Reality, you should have just given him a cracker and moved on.

[drobeski 3,061]

Unlike those that just mindlessly parrot whatever talking point seems tastiest to them without educating themselves, I actually try to learn about an issue before vomitting it online to sound like I have a POV of my own. To wit:

 

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-doug-band-memo-20161026-story.html

 

 

 

 

I mean, if you're going to cherry pick from the emails, you have to read everything involved. And in so doing:

 

1) Band used his role as an aide to Bill Clinton to form his own consulting company.

 

2) There is absolutely NO indication that any of the Clintons ever tasked Band with soliciting donations for the CF nor for Bill himself.

 

3) In fact, it appears that Band did so of his own volition - working for a separate consulting firm he himself founded in order to generate millions based upon his characterization of his 'influence' with the Clintons - all while the Clintons were nudging him out the door.

 

4) Moreover, from the leaked documents, it further appears that Band did so in order to derive business for his consulting firm. - Not just insinuating he had influence with the Clintons, but flat out saying it to potential clients.

 

5) All while the Clintons (primarily chelsea) were doing their best to tell the guy to go pound sand and stop trying to leverage off of the CF's name.

 

And,as has been discussed before, if peeling back the most sensitive emails of the Clintons, there still is yet to be any proof of Quid Pro Quo. - Even Fox said that just this morning.

 

 

In short, if anything, you have a story of Band working off the rez trying to line his own pockets by overstating his role with the Clintons. And, just like with LI, there is still no 'smoking gun' showing direct action by the State Dept on behalf of any donor to the CF. Again, even Fox said that today. At best, there's an appearance of shade, but no actual criminality - and this is AFTER pulling back the curtain on the most sensitive internal emails.

 

So, it's the same story yet again - Global NGO's meet with SOS's and other governmental agencies all the time. That's no story - unless you think Bill and Melinda Gates are dirty too. Colin Powell met with Global Organizations - for profit and otherwise. As did his predecessors as do other courntries' counterparts. That's not exactly newsworthy.

 

Again, if someone can find an instance where a foreign government or a for-profit MNC recieved favorable rulings / treatment that otherwise would NOT have been granted immediately after donating money to the CF and subsequently meeting with HRC, then there wold be some "there there", but so far, despite a monumental offort to find it, no one has uncovered any "there" "there".

things a mindless parrot would say

[Reality 2,710]

 

No, actually it's not. In fact, neither Bill nor Hillary have ever been granted a salary for the Foundation. It actually does a great deal of good - and that's incontrovertible. I even educated Hardcore on that - to which he has begrudgingly agreed. It is a top rated charity and has done countless acts of good.

 

See, I actually have proven my point with independent sources - whilst you just make up a narrative - or more likely, follow one given to you that suits your needs. You DO know that there are actual Federal Forms that need to be filed for such charities under penalties of law, right? How many times have you pulled the CF's paperwork? I can answer that for myself. You can too - it's zero.

 

And really, what's the point of trying to educate people who don't want to be educated? You can hate HRC for various reasons, but an educated person would have a hard time bashing the CF / CGI.

Hey, I get it bubba.. When news like this comes out, news that proves everybody's suspicions.. It's gotta hurt guys like you the most. I mean people who actually drank the kool-aid, defenders of their reputation. Proven betrayal, I feel for you.. Must be like finding out Santa Clause isn't real.

 

[Hardcore troubadour 12,589]

Oh, Bill and Hill are on the up and up. Again. Never mind. Thanks Wiffle.

[Bert 1,087]

The tensions came to a head when Chelsea Clinton helped enlist an outside law firm to audit the Clinton Foundations practices. Some interviewees told the audit team that the donors may have an expectation of quid pro quo benefits in return for gift.

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/27/us/politics/bill-hillary-clinton-foundation-wikileaks.html

 

 

[MDC 5,877]

It's amazing people are still defending the Clinton Foundation, it exists primarily as a slush fund for Bill and Hillary. Read the words sent by it's very own members.

 

It's beyond embarrassing at this point, see above.

Looks like you wasted a lot of werdz Wiff. Reality says you're wrong and a dum dum.

[drobeski 3,061]

What happened to the original ceo ?

[Hardcore troubadour 12,589]

Bob Woodward, yeah THAT Bob Woodward of the Washington Post and Watergate fame, says the Clinton Foundation is "corrupt" and a "scandal". Hmmmm, Bob Woodward or Wiffleball? I'll have to mull it. Ok, done. I go with Woodward. Back to the Google machine Wiffle.

[wiffleball 4,631]

Hey, I get it bubba.. When news like this comes out, news that proves everybody's suspicions.. It's gotta hurt guys like you the most. I mean people who actually drank the kool-aid, defenders of their reputation. Proven betrayal, I feel for you.. Must be like finding out Santa Clause isn't real.

 

 

Well, go ahead - post 'the news' - I did.

 

Unlike you, who just breathlessly hoovers up whatever unresearched/ridiculous talking point fits your pre-ordained narrative. I bet you still believe HRC's State Dept "lost six billion dollars" - just because Trump spat that out during a debate - and even Fox couldn't support that one.

 

But hey, go ahead - post your big bombshell. I researched Troub's unsourced claim. Even he had to claim that the CF does good. Go ahead, prove to me - should be easy enough - that the Clintons have been drawing massive salaries out of CF coffers. I mean, something like that, there would be bank records, tax forms, financial statements - and it's all perfectly legal - you should see what the heads of some charities pay themselves. So, go ahead, I'll wait...

[Hardcore troubadour 12,589]

Looks like you wasted a lot of werdz Wiff. Reality says you're wrong and a dum dum.

Maybe reality is actually Bob Woodward? Didn't think those old guys played fantasy.

[Frank M 181]

Google doesn't work in the lab? Go find out for yourself. Get back to me.

 

You can do your own work, you lazy POS.

 

[Hardcore troubadour 12,589]

 

You can do your own work, you lazy POS.

 

Uh, I did. And am I RP or a fake cop? Make up your mind, ok?

[wiffleball 4,631]

The tensions came to a head when Chelsea Clinton helped enlist an outside law firm to audit the Clinton Foundations practices. Some interviewees told the audit team that the donors may have an expectation of quid pro quo benefits in return for gift. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/27/us/politics/bill-hillary-clinton-foundation-wikileaks.html

 

Nice. So, the Clintons - dirty as hell - hired an outside firm to audit them and their durty durty deeds done dirt cheap - I mean, dirt expensive. That's the first thing dirty people do - volunteer and pay for an audit of their misdeeds.

 

Can't wait for the next thread:

 

"Girl Scouts Running Prostitution Ring!"

 

- The proof is there! LOOK at the millions in cookie sales they bring in!! Charity my axx!!!!

 

....And Deloitte and Touche interviewed several of the largest cookie buyers and some felt that the Girl Scouts might exchange sexually explicit photos and sex acts in return for purchasing larger than average numbers of Thin Mints...

 

...While no proof of such quid pro quo has been given, Donald Trump mentioned in a rally in Florida that 'SOME PEOPLE ARE SAYING THAT...."

[Bert 1,087]

Just like everything else in this country the truth rest in between to two extremes we see on the board. Did the foundation facilitate the Clinton's personally making 10's of millions yes. Does the foundation do good work, yes. Is there a written quid pro quo? no. Seasoned politicos would never put that in writing. Does that mean it didn't happen? no.

 

This charity is like any other big charities, the Catholic Church and United Way come to mind, there is corruption but they do accomplish many good things.

 

[wiffleball 4,631]

Looks like you wasted a lot of werdz Wiff. Reality says you're wrong and a dum dum.

 

I know. I have to admit, it stings a little bit. I AM only human dontcha know.

[Bert 1,087]

 

Nice. So, the Clintons - dirty as hell - hired an outside firm to audit them and their durty durty deeds done dirt cheap - I mean, dirt expensive. That's the first thing dirty people do - volunteer and pay for an audit of their misdeeds.

 

Can't wait for the next thread:

 

"Girl Scouts Running Prostitution Ring!"

 

- The proof is there! LOOK at the millions in cookie sales they bring in!! Charity my axx!!!!

 

....And Deloitte and Touche interviewed several of the largest cookie buyers and some felt that the Girl Scouts might exchange sexually explicit photos and sex acts in return for purchasing larger than average numbers of Thin Mints...

 

...While no proof of such quid pro quo has been given, Donald Trump mentioned in a rally in Florida that 'SOME PEOPLE ARE SAYING THAT...."

Damn dude have a drink.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,589]

 

Well, go ahead - post 'the news' - I did.

 

Unlike you, who just breathlessly hoovers up whatever unresearched/ridiculous talking point fits your pre-ordained narrative. I bet you still believe HRC's State Dept "lost six billion dollars" - just because Trump spat that out during a debate - and even Fox couldn't support that one.

 

But hey, go ahead - post your big bombshell. I researched Troub's unsourced claim. Even he had to claim that the CF does good. Go ahead, prove to me - should be easy enough - that the Clintons have been drawing massive salaries out of CF coffers. I mean, something like that, there would be bank records, tax forms, financial statements - and it's all perfectly legal - you should see what the heads of some charities pay themselves. So, go ahead, I'll wait...

My source is Bob Woodward. Who was yours again? This is great.

[Reality 2,710]

Just like everything else in this country the truth rest in between to two extremes we see on the board. Did the foundation facilitate the Clinton's personally making 10's of millions yes. Does the foundation do good work, yes. Is there a written quid pro quo? no. Seasoned politicos would never put that in writing. Does that mean it didn't happen? no.This charity is like any other big charities, the Catholic Church and United Way come to mind, there is corruption but they do accomplish many good things.

This guy gets it.

 

I'm actually jealous of wiffle's naivety.

[MDC 5,877]

Maybe reality is actually Bob Woodward?

 

Does Bob Woodward usually brush off a lengthy argument by saying things like, "It's AMAZING that lib-bots like you STILL can't see how wrong you are on this issue! Embarrassing, really!"

 

If so, Bob Woodward could be Reality. Or drobeski, jerryskids, Strike, Big Guy or one of a dozen other geeks.

[wiffleball 4,631]

Damn dude have a drink.

 

Just pointing out the absurdity.

 

Like I've said before, after decades of evil-do-er-ness, you'd think people could find more than enough real chit to burn that odious troll with, but they keep chewing on the same meatless bones.

 

And, when you challenge them with ya know - facts - they go Zero Dark Thirty.

[Frank M 181]

Uh, I did. And am I RP or a fake cop? Make up your mind, ok?

 

You put a link up?

 

And you're both, and both suck.

 

HTH

[wiffleball 4,631]

This guy gets it.

 

I'm actually jealous of wiffle's naivety.

So, which is it? "Primarily a slush fund" or not?

 

You're the one mindlessly following talking points - and challenging / providing nothing. - That is the very definition of naivety. I just like beating stupid people about the head and shoulders with their own stupidity. It's a bit like cow-punching - pointless, and the cow learns nothing, but still, kinda fun.

 

Again, waiting on proof of "slush fund" - Because that's not what Bert's saying at all. Apparently Reality Guy DOESN'T "get it".

[Mike Honcho 4,010]

It's amazing people are still defending the Clinton Foundation, it exists primarily as a slush fund for Bill and Hillary. Read the words sent by it's very own members.

 

It's beyond embarrassing at this point, see above.

 

 

Just like everything else in this country the truth rest in between to two extremes we see on the board. Did the foundation facilitate the Clinton's personally making 10's of millions yes. Does the foundation do good work, yes. Is there a written quid pro quo? no. Seasoned politicos would never put that in writing. Does that mean it didn't happen? no. This charity is like any other big charities, the Catholic Church and United Way come to mind, there is corruption but they do accomplish many good things.

 

 

This guy gets it.

 

I'm actually jealous of wiffle's naivety.

 

[Mike Honcho 4,010]

So, which is it? "Primarily a slush fund" or not?

 

You're the one mindlessly following talking points - and challenging / providing nothing. - That is the very definition of naivety. I just like beating stupid people about the head and shoulders with their own stupidity. It's a bit like cow-punching - pointless, and the cow learns nothing, but still, kinda fun.

 

Again, waiting on proof of "slush fund" - Because that's not what Bert's saying at all. Apparently Reality Guy DOESN'T "get it".

 

Wiffle, in your first post you spoke of the "mindless parrots", instead of trying to educate Reality, you should have just given him a cracker and moved on.

 

Tried to save you some time earlier.

[wiffleball 4,631]

So, all those poor dumb schmucks who contribute to The 100 Club expecting that they won't get a DUI because they have their bumper sticker on their car:

 

 

Does that make The 100 Club a fraud too?

[Hardcore troubadour 12,589]

Wiffle loves to say "Breitbart" " Hannity" or Fox. Woodward calls the Clintons out for being corrupt and terming it a scandal? Nothin. Cronkite and Murrow aren't coming back. Woodward is the best we have. The most professional, trusted news journalist around and Wiffle runs from it like a scared little girl. Pathetic.