NFL agrees to commit $89M over seven years to social justice causes.

[BuschWack 56]

Pandora's Box has been opened...

 

Per ESPN:

 

Sources: NFL agrees to commit $89M over seven years to social justice causes.

 

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21614673/nfl-agrees-commit-nearly-100m-seven-years-charities-important-african-american-communities

[TBayXXXVII 2,116]

I actually don't see this as bad at all. This is how it should be done. Off the field. I don't agree with the players stance or even their cause, as I think it's grossly over exaggerated by the left wing nut jobs. That said, if the players and the league want "something done", then do it elsewhere and not on Sunday.

 

One part of the article I disagree with is the line where they say "Players came to the table in a rare position of power for them...". That's not true. The players NEVER come to the table in a position of power for the simple reason that the NFL doesn't need them. If the players don't like it, they either suck it up or quit. If they suck it up, the NFL wins. If they don't, every year there are 300 19-22 year olds trying to take that spot. In the end, money wins 100% of the time.

[kilroy69 994]

Wonderful . The NFL allowed itself to be bent over a barrel and forced into giving 90 mil....THIS TIME. They WILL be back. They WILL ask for more. It's not like 90 million bucks spread out over 7 years is going to have ANY impact on the issues that face the black community because those issues largely go ignored. Why pay attention to the broken black home or the black on black violence in Chicago that is LITERALLY destroying a generation of black men when you can claim that blacks are being mistreated by the cops. Why mention the fact that that 48% of murders EVERY YEAR come from 6% of the black population when you can blame whitey for all your problems.

[Brutal Brutus 182]

Wrong forum. Unless that $90 million is some how going to improve or hurt the performance of my fantasy players, I'm not sure why it's being brought up here. People are quick to post a "wrong forum" response to lineup advice questions, but somehow let these social topics slide.

[Showboat 144]

If the players don't like it, they either suck it up or quit. If they suck it up, the NFL wins. If they don't, every year there are 300 19-22 year olds trying to take that spot. In the end, money wins 100% of the time.

True enough, but at some point the product on the field (and revenue stream) suffers when the "the best" are not playing the game.

[IGotWorms 3,310]

Im generally on the libtard side of the equation but I gotta admit the social justice label is somewhat concerning. Whose version of justice are we talking about? When its divorced from any actual law that becomes very problematic

[BuschWack 56]

Wrong forum. Unless that $90 million is some how going to improve or hurt the performance of my fantasy players, I'm not sure why it's being brought up here. People are quick to post a "wrong forum" response to lineup advice questions, but somehow let these social topics slide.

Incorrect Snowflake.

Definition of the FFToday Board:

"The place for fantasy football and NFL discussion, breaking news, fantasy football talk at it's best!"

 

When the NFL agrees to commit 89M over 7 years.... it has to do with the NFL. This Forum is not just for Fantasy Talk... my take is that ANYTHING "NFL" is discussed.

Where will the NFL make up this 89M? The consumer is already being bent over.

[TBayXXXVII 2,116]

True enough, but at some point the product on the field (and revenue stream) suffers when the "the best" are not playing the game.

 

"The best" is always playing... 100% of the time, because it's "the best available" players. If you want to stick with "the best" line as you have it, we already know that's not true right now and never was. Every year there are some college players that are currently better than NFL players. It happens every year. That's why drafted players come in and start Day 1 over current NFL players in September. Hence, even the all of the current NFL players aren't "the best" right now.

 

If Tom Brady sees a rule he doesn't like and says he's retiring unless the rule is changed, then the Patriots will just replace him and "the best" players are still there because at that point in time, those are the best available players.

[seafoam1 1,879]

True enough, but at some point the product on the field (and revenue stream) suffers when the "the best" are not playing the game.

No worries about that. These guys will always put their game checks before their "principles". See colin kaepernick begging to get back into the league.

 

All this crap they do is just a big scam to make them look like they are concerned about some social something that deals with race. If they really care about something, then they should go out after work and hit the streets with their message.

[ChinaCat 21]

What a load of crap. $90 million for black lives matter and anti-fa.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,631]

Slush fund. No good will come of it but Goodell and the NFL get to make believe.

[travis_henrys_baby_momma 10]

NFL players do not understand basic economics. They just contributed most of that $89 million.

[BuschWack 56]

Now a couple players have broken from the Players Coalition because they can't agree on the agreement. It will never end. What a cluster.

[redsrback 30]

Nobody cared when Obama was in office. First thing I thought when Ray Lewis and Jim Brown visited Trump. All 3 of them care so much about Chicago why now, when it started on Obamas watch? Oh well, nothing like a hot breakfast with Al Sharpton wont fix.

[seafoam1 1,879]

Nobody cared when Obama was in office. First thing I thought when Ray Lewis and Jim Brown visited Trump. All 3 of them care so much about Chicago why now, when it started on Obamas watch? Oh well, nothing like a hot breakfast with Al Sharpton wont fix.

And obama got all of his "community organizer "skills" " in Chicago. What a loser.

[Showboat 144]

 

"The best" is always playing... 100% of the time, because it's "the best available" players. If you want to stick with "the best" line as you have it, we already know that's not true right now and never was. Every year there are some college players that are currently better than NFL players. It happens every year. That's why drafted players come in and start Day 1 over current NFL players in September. Hence, even the all of the current NFL players aren't "the best" right now.

 

If Tom Brady sees a rule he doesn't like and says he's retiring unless the rule is changed, then the Patriots will just replace him and "the best" players are still there because at that point in time, those are the best available players.

Yeah, that's why I said at some point. The league will always be able to survive a relatively few of the best just quitting, but if the league's best QB is Geno Smith (or maybe someone not as good as Geno) the fans will leave. Just like when there were replacement players during player strikes - that was clearly not a sustainable product. However, billionaire owners can withstand financial losses longer and better than millionaire players and as you say, plenty of players are ready willing to play for a lot less than what the stars make (even if it's not sustainable) - that's why the players usually cave.....

[seafoam1 1,879]

Yeah, that's why I said at some point. The league will always be able to survive a relatively few of the best just quitting, but if the league's best QB is Geno Smith (or maybe someone not as good as Geno) the fans will leave. Just like when there were replacement players during player strikes - that was clearly not a sustainable product. However, billionaire owners can withstand financial losses longer and better than millionaire players and as you say, plenty of players are ready willing to play for a lot less than what the stars make (even if it's not sustainable) - that's why the players usually cave.....

Identify what players you think would quit playing over this. If someone retires a year early it's only because they don't want to deal with it and they already had their career. Not because of their passion about it. The others will stay no matter what.

[Brutal Brutus 182]

Incorrect Snowflake.

 

Definition of the FFToday Board:

"The place for fantasy football and NFL discussion, breaking news, fantasy football talk at it's best!"

 

When the NFL agrees to commit 89M over 7 years.... it has to do with the NFL. This Forum is not just for Fantasy Talk... my take is that ANYTHING "NFL" is discussed.

 

Where will the NFL make up this 89M? The consumer is already being bent over.

You're getting upset about something that has nothing to do with you and doesn't effect you at all, and I'm the fragile snowflake?

 

$89m over 7 years is nothing to the NFL. It's a small PR price to pay to try and protect the billions they're currently making. The Chargers move to LA is costing them far more.

[Mike FF Today 607]

Discuss the topic without the name calling please, or your account will be suspended.

[BuschWack 56]

You're getting upset about something that has nothing to do with you and doesn't effect you at all, and I'm the fragile snowflake?

 

$89m over 7 years is nothing to the NFL. It's a small PR price to pay to try and protect the billions they're currently making. The Chargers move to LA is costing them far more.

No. Not upset. When you respond "wrong forum", I defend my ability and choice to post this as a topic on this forum. When you vent that, "Unless that $90 million is some how going to improve or hurt the performance of my fantasy players, I'm not sure why it's being brought up here.".. it sorta sounds like you're crying....

 

But I feel ya. We all come here to help our fantasy team.

 

Apologies for referring to you as a snowflake... I'll take it back.

[Drizzay 645]

Sounds like the NFL wants to allow owners to be able to divert money from other charities to this fund, and the players aren't for it. Good for them.

[ROCKFORD 134]

what will kaep's stance be on this?

[seafoam1 1,879]

what will kaep's stance be on this?

Maybe he will get a reality show. Then he can actually provide another type of bad entertainment based on his skill set.

[ROCKFORD 134]

Maybe he will get a reality show. Then he can actually provide another type of bad entertainment based on his skill set.

 

link

[seafoam1 1,879]

 

link

☺ He can be on that show where they put a bunch of 20 year old "kids" in a house and follow them around and film the drama. ☺

[RoadLizard 73]

What a load of crap. $90 million for black lives matter and anti-fa.

This is really the problem here. $90 million bucks pissed away just as a pure PR move.

 

Why dont they take that money and use it to figure out why the NFL ratings are declining? Oh wait -we already know why. Idiots.

[Oriole8159 86]

Now a couple players have broken from the Players Coalition because they can't agree on the agreement. It will never end. What a cluster.

 

After reading some of the articles last night, I actually have more respect for those guys that are breaking away from the coalition.

 

This was never about money and the owners aren't the bad guys, so if one of the protesters is going to end theirs because the owners throw some money at the problem, then that person has no idea why they were protesting in the first place.

[seafoam1 1,879]

 

After reading some of the articles last night, I actually have more respect for those guys that are breaking away from the coalition.

 

This was never about money and the owners aren't the bad guys, so if one of the protesters is going to end theirs because the owners throw some money at the problem, then that person has no idea why they were protesting in the first place.

This is what I have been thinking the whole time about these players. I don't think most of them know what they are protesting, and even if they come up with an answer to why, then they are saying different things about it when they get interviewed. I don't believe they care about any of this other than they are on TV trying to give off some image they have in their minds. I know some are good guys that give some time to charities but I have yet to see proof of any of these guys going out after work and putting in time to organize efforts and be further involved in community programs concerning this topic in crime filled downtrodden communities, meet up with local law enforcement groups, crime watch groups, crime prevention groups, etc... And like I said, I know there are guys that meet with kids groups here and there, or have someone with a camera follow them into a hospital but what about getting involved in the messy stuff that they so want to protest about?

 

Why don't these guys hike on into the south side of Chicago and preach away the violence that has been booming there for the past 9 years? Black on black crimes.Nope, just get in front of a camera and kneel down during the anthem, Even the last president didn't give a crap about going into Chicago and finding a solution where he learned his "trade" of being a "community organizer". But noone protested him having turned a blind eye in that direction.

[Oriole8159 86]

This is what I have been thinking the whole time about these players. I don't think most of them know what they are protesting, and even if they come up with an answer to why, then they are saying different things about it when they get interviewed. I don't believe they care about any of this other than they are on TV trying to give off some image they have in their minds. I know some are good guys that give some time to charities but I have yet to see proof of any of these guys going out after work and putting in time to organize efforts and be further involved in community programs to reach out to the public and local law enforcement, crime watches, etc...

 

Why don't these guys hike on into the south side of Chicago and preach away the violence that has been booming there for the past 9 years?

agreed

[Antiramie 50]

This is what I have been thinking the whole time about these players. I don't think most of them know what they are protesting, and even if they come up with an answer to why, then they are saying different things about it when they get interviewed. I don't believe they care about any of this other than they are on TV trying to give off some image they have in their minds. I know some are good guys that give some time to charities but I have yet to see proof of any of these guys going out after work and putting in time to organize efforts and be further involved in community programs concerning this topic in crime filled downtrodden communities, meet up with local law enforcement groups, crime watch groups, crime prevention groups, etc... And like I said, I know there are guys that meet with kids groups here and there, or have someone with a camera follow them into a hospital but what about getting involved in the messy stuff that they so want to protest about?

 

Why don't these guys hike on into the south side of Chicago and preach away the violence that has been booming there for the past 9 years? Black on black crimes.Nope, just get in front of a camera and kneel down during the anthem.

https://www.sbnation.com/2017/4/7/15113442/nfl-players-congress-visit-criminal-justice-reform-anquan-boldin

 

These are some of the players that do the very things you say they dont. It literally took me less than 1 minute to find that to better understand whats ACTUALLY going on in the world and how these people are trying to help their communities and work with legislators and law enforcement.

 

The real farce is people who not only refuse to look past their own conjecture/bias but continue to spread misinformation as if it were fact.

 

I just dont understand the hate. Seriously, you have a group of people trying to BETTER their communities. Why do you hate them so much for standing up for something they believe in, and doing so in a nonviolent manner? Because theyre using a billion dollar industrys platform as a stepping stool and you have to see and hear about it for 3 minutes every other Sunday?! Oh the humanity!

[Ray_T 589]

I actually don't see this as bad at all. This is how it should be done. Off the field. I don't agree with the players stance or even their cause, as I think it's grossly over exaggerated by the left wing nut jobs. That said, if the players and the league want "something done", then do it elsewhere and not on Sunday.

 

One part of the article I disagree with is the line where they say "Players came to the table in a rare position of power for them...". That's not true. The players NEVER come to the table in a position of power for the simple reason that the NFL doesn't need them. If the players don't like it, they either suck it up or quit. If they suck it up, the NFL wins. If they don't, every year there are 300 19-22 year olds trying to take that spot. In the end, money wins 100% of the time.

Well, you can agree or disagree with the method, but if you are going to recognize and accept their consitutional right to free speech the league acted in the right way.

 

It is fair to seek out alternatives that wont politicize the game, and for that I applaud them, but if players continue to sit while they play the anthem, it is still their right to do so.

 

If the league were to shut down the protests, there would have been far bigger problems than what you have seen to date.

 

Over the course of history, anytime you shut down a relatively peaceful protest a non peaceful one usually follows. This is not the path you want to choose. especially if you truly want to resolve the problem.

[seafoam1 1,879]

https://www.sbnation.com/2017/4/7/15113442/nfl-players-congress-visit-criminal-justice-reform-anquan-boldin

 

These are some of the players that do the very things you say they dont. It literally took me less than 1 minute to find that to better understand whats ACTUALLY going on in the world and how these people are trying to help their communities and work with legislators and law enforcement.

 

The real farce is people who not only refuse to look past their own conjecture/bias but continue to spread misinformation as if it were fact.

 

I just dont understand the hate. Seriously, you have a group of people trying to BETTER their communities. Why do you hate them so much for standing up for something they believe in, and doing so in a nonviolent manner? Because theyre using a billion dollar industrys platform as a stepping stool and you have to see and hear about it for 3 minutes every other Sunday?! Oh the humanity!

You found 2 active football players. There are dozens and dozens around the league that kneel during the anthem and do nothing. So what is your point? How many are helping to stop violence instead of complaining about the police who have to fight it? I myself have worked with groups to try to stop violence in various communities so I can speak to it. These guys protesting in the manner in which they are, are creating a division in our country more than anything. And I know you disagree. Doesn't matter to me.

[Oriole8159 86]

Well, you can agree or disagree with the method, but if you are going to recognize and accept their consitutional right to free speech the league acted in the right way.

 

It is fair to seek out alternatives that wont politicize the game, and for that I applaud them, but if players continue to sit while they play the anthem, it is still their right to do so.

 

If the league were to shut down the protests, there would have been far bigger problems than what you have seen to date.

 

Over the course of history, anytime you shut down a relatively peaceful protest a non peaceful one usually follows. This is not the path you want to choose. especially if you truly want to resolve the problem.

what about the people like myself that don't see this at all as a free speech debate? what if we see it as a workplace issue, since free speech is only a Constitutionally protected right against the government, and not private employers?

 

that's a finite difference at the core of this issue, and we're never going to frame this debate around your interpretations.

[Oriole8159 86]

https://www.sbnation.com/2017/4/7/15113442/nfl-players-congress-visit-criminal-justice-reform-anquan-boldin

 

These are some of the players that do the very things you say they dont. It literally took me less than 1 minute to find that to better understand whats ACTUALLY going on in the world and how these people are trying to help their communities and work with legislators and law enforcement.

 

The real farce is people who not only refuse to look past their own conjecture/bias but continue to spread misinformation as if it were fact.

 

I just dont understand the hate. Seriously, you have a group of people trying to BETTER their communities. Why do you hate them so much for standing up for something they believe in, and doing so in a nonviolent manner? Because theyre using a billion dollar industrys platform as a stepping stool and you have to see and hear about it for 3 minutes every other Sunday?! Oh the humanity!

 

for the ones that are actually active though and know the real issues, they should know then that just throwing money at this does not solve the problem and that the owners are not the ones responsible for fixing the problems.

if this is really about changing the infrastructure in place long term, then this "resolution" doesn't do any of that, so why stop the protest now?

[Antiramie 50]

You found 2 active football players. There are dozens and dozens around the league that kneel during the anthem and do nothing. So what is your point? How many are helping to stop violence instead of complaining about the police who have to fight it? I myself have worked with groups to try to stop violence in various communities so I can speak to it. These guys protesting in the manner in which they are, are creating a division in our country more than anything. And I know you disagree. Doesn't matter to me.

Theres always an excuse when people like you get called out on your delusions:

 

You - Ive never seen any players actually do anything for their cause other than kneel and complain.

 

*I post evidence of exactly what you say doesnt exist*

 

You - Its not ENOUGH players!

 

LMAO

[Antiramie 50]

 

for the ones that are actually active though and know the real issues, they should know then that just throwing money at this does not solve the problem and that the owners are not the ones responsible for fixing the problems.

if this is really about changing the infrastructure in place long term, then this "resolution" doesn't do any of that, so why stop the protest now?

I actually havent read into the logistics of the $89 million donation and the ramifications from it, so I cant give you my $0.02 on it yet. I was just responding to a comment pertaining to someone refusing to acknowledge the evidence right under his nose and his impossible standards that arent ever going to be met.

[Oriole8159 86]

I actually havent read into the logistics of the $89 million donation, so I cant give you my $0.02 on it yet. I was just responding to a comment pertaining to someone refusing to acknowledge the evidence right under his nose and his impossible standards that arent ever going to be met.

fair enough.

[seafoam1 1,879]

Theres always an excuse when people like you get called out on your delusions:

 

You - Ive never seen any players actually do anything for their cause other than kneel and complain.

 

*I post evidence of exactly what you say doesnt exist*

 

You - Its not ENOUGH players!

 

LMAO

I'm just pointing out the facts.

[Ray_T 589]

what about the people like myself that don't see this at all as a free speech debate? what if we see it as a workplace issue, since free speech is only a Constitutionally protected right against the government, and not private employers?

 

that's a finite difference at the core of this issue, and we're never going to frame this debate around your interpretations.

(utilizing free speech) I respect your opinion even if I dont agree with it.

[seafoam1 1,879]

what about the people like myself that don't see this at all as a free speech debate? what if we see it as a workplace issue, since free speech is only a Constitutionally protected right against the government, and not private employers?

 

that's a finite difference at the core of this issue, and we're never going to frame this debate around your interpretations.

This is absolutly not a free speech debate, even though people treat it as such. This is a case where the employees are using media tactics to put their employers in a tough spot, and initially were getting up on them because of the unrest in an already polarized environment that obama fueled heavily over his 8 years in office.

 

Hopefully the NFL is manipulating the numbers on that 89 million so as to have it coming out of the players pockets since they are the ones who started all of this drama at work instead of doing this on their own time.