vuduchile 1,941 Posted June 25, 2015 I was at an outing yesterday (scramble) for a charity organization and my team shot an honest 62. Limit of 1 mulligan per side off used off the tee only. No other crazy rules involved. This was an extremely difficult course for an average player and damned challenging for good players. The team in front of us was in the woods all day. We watched them hit pretty much every shot they played. When all was said and done, they turned in a scorecard that showed 60. There's no way in hell they shot anything close to that. Based on what we saw, I'd guess they shot 75 or higher. The winning team turned in a card with a score of 59. They also won the skins game. (this is the same team that won it the past 2 years.) I know these guys are all pretty decent, but it got me wondering if they've been cheating as well. As they announced the winners at lunch I heard grumblings about how there was no way in hell the winning team shot that low within the rules. Further conversation had them accused of everything from using their mulligans on putts, giving their mulligans to their A player, and just flat out lying. I just sat and listened but the general consensus seemed to be that these "rich @ssholes" just have to find a way to get their money back. I know this kinda thing goes on, but it's starting to turn some people off the event. I'm going to bring it up at our next meeting, but I really don't know how to stop it. Any ideas? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
patweisers44 697 Posted June 25, 2015 Assign a volunteer scorer to ride along with each group. Pretty crappy you would have to do that but.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cloaca du jour 2,064 Posted June 25, 2015 basically you cant. The only way would be have people sign up with their handicaps and then you make the groups..so you can minimize the cheating. Call it a golf social scramble where you have to play with people other than your cronies Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
parrot 789 Posted June 25, 2015 Have two groups play together and keep other's cards. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vuduchile 1,941 Posted June 25, 2015 basically you cant. This is what I'm afraid of. I know this is expensive for a day of golf. But it's a fundraiser. We're raising money for a specific cause and the money stays right here in our community. No big organizational structures or costly overhead. ALL the money goes to the people who need it. $300 per foursome $20 per foursome for the skins game $10 raffle tickets $10 50/50 drawing $100 if you wanna sponsor a tee If you can't afford to donate your money, just stay at home. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 5,890 Posted June 25, 2015 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=V7WtxTNyeSw Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magnificent Bastard 190 Posted June 25, 2015 How do they get their money back? Is it a cash prize for the winner? The tournaments I play in just give out donated prizes like tickets to a game and golf related stuff. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 5,552 Posted June 25, 2015 $300 per foursome 300 per foursome is expensive? I'm playing in 3 as of today. $500, $700 and $900 per foursome. 75 per person is a steal! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dain11279 927 Posted June 25, 2015 Have two groups play together and keep other's cards. Scrambles already take upwards to 6 hours as it is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 5,552 Posted June 25, 2015 Scrambles already take upwards to 6 hours as it is. Yeah, 18 holes, 36 groups of 4. tee off at 8 am, done around 1:30 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
parrot 789 Posted June 25, 2015 Scrambles already take upwards to 6 hours as it is. You don't have to add more teams, just have 2 play a hole at a time. Might actually speed things up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GobbleDog 816 Posted June 25, 2015 When I fished bass tournaments it would happen every once in a while. Not in the club tournaments where everyone knew each other, but in weekly open-to-all tournaments... Somebody who nobody's ever seen before shows up with an 8+ lb bass that looks it's been dead for 12 hrs and wins Big Bass money. It's risky though because drunk rednecks don't cotton to cheaters. Seen a few brawls break out at the boat ramp. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cruzer 1,992 Posted June 25, 2015 Not a whole lot that can really be done..... This is one idea though - I actually won a tournament with this format a few backs. 18 hole, 4 man, scramble... End of the round 9 holes are picked on a blind draw. The tournament is scored and based on those 9 holes. We finished 2 strokes behind the actual low scoring team - but we won on the draw. Not perfect, but it does shave a bit of the cheating crap out of the game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DankNuggs 305 Posted June 25, 2015 Nothing you can do, I just played a scramble yesterday.. Fun day, Sucks if people are cheating, but just consider it a fun day of golf and helping to contribute to a worthy charity... nothing more. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
parrot 789 Posted June 25, 2015 Played in a scramble a few years ago put on by our petroleum marketers organization. Had a group of salesmen there to work the conference playing in the group in front of us. We were supposed to play from the second or third set of tees. They were playing from the first. We told them after the first hole they were playing from the wrong tees. They blew us off, continued playing from the fronts, and ended up winning the tournament. Of course we told everyone about the tee thing and it still haunts their company to this day. Way to win business guys. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DankNuggs 305 Posted June 25, 2015 Scrambles already take upwards to 6 hours as it is. mine was 5.5 hours and seemed like a decent pace. lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baker Boy 1,484 Posted June 25, 2015 This is very easy, nothing goes to the winners. This is a charity event! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vuduchile 1,941 Posted June 25, 2015 How do they get their money back? Is it a cash prize for the winner? The tournaments I play in just give out donated prizes like tickets to a game and golf related stuff. Yes, Cash prize for the winner plus cash prize for the skins game. The raffles are all for the prizes. Gift certificates, golf clubs, bags, etc. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vuduchile 1,941 Posted June 25, 2015 300 per foursome is expensive? I'm playing in 3 as of today. $500, $700 and $900 per foursome. 75 per person is a steal! Yeah well, you're a geek, so....... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vuduchile 1,941 Posted June 25, 2015 Yeah, 18 holes, 36 groups of 4. tee off at 8 am, done around 1:30 Yeah, we started lunch at about 1:45. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 5,552 Posted June 25, 2015 Yeah well, you're a geek, so....... spending a couple hundred on a charity tourney is hardly the life style of a geek. That would be being a member of an exclusive golf club that cost 15,000 a year with a $30000 initiation fee. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
patweisers44 697 Posted June 25, 2015 spending a couple hundred on a charity tourney is hardly the life style of a geek. That would be being a member of an exclusive golf club that cost 15,000 a year with a $30000 initiation fee. J/K...I prefer to spend my money in Vegas. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patriotsfatboy1 1,432 Posted June 25, 2015 Next thing you know, people will cheat on their taxes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magnificent Bastard 190 Posted June 25, 2015 Yes, Cash prize for the winner plus cash prize for the skins game. The raffles are all for the prizes. Gift certificates, golf clubs, bags, etc. Wow. These guys are s bags then. I have won 50-50s twice at charity events and donated my half back. It would be great if you could catch them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DankNuggs 305 Posted June 25, 2015 spending a couple hundred on a charity tourney is hardly the life style of a geek. That would be being a member of an exclusive golf club that cost 15,000 a year with a $30000 initiation fee. Most good clubs around Boston or the cape are closer to 40-50k initiation fee, but a reasonable 5-6k in dues a year... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 5,552 Posted June 25, 2015 Most good clubs around Boston or the cape are closer to 40-50k initiation fee, but a reasonable 5-6k in dues a year... a friend of mine was a member at Ferncroft. I think it was 50k initiation and 10k annual. had a baby about a year after joining and stopped going http://www.ferncroftcc.com/Club/Scripts/Home/home.asp Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DankNuggs 305 Posted June 25, 2015 a friend of mine was a member at Ferncroft. I think it was 50k initiation and 10k annual. had a baby about a year after joining and stopped going http://www.ferncroftcc.com/Club/Scripts/Home/home.asp Zhit thats steep. I've heard thats a nice course... my kid is the death of my golf game Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magnificent Bastard 190 Posted June 25, 2015 That's why it's very important not to raise taxes on the über rich. They need the 50k to get in the club. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 5,552 Posted June 25, 2015 Zhit thats steep. I've heard thats a nice course... I got to play there last September (1st time ever) One of our vendors put on a tourney for their customers. it was free Not only did they allow me to bring a friend, it was FREE booze all day. was a GREAT time I won the putting contest and got a $100 gift cert. ended up costing me $75 bucks to get a pair of golf cleats. 175. outrageous! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vuduchile 1,941 Posted June 25, 2015 spending a couple hundred on a charity tourney is hardly the life style of a geek. That would be being a member of an exclusive golf club that cost 15,000 a year with a $30000 initiation fee. One of the guys in my foursome from yesterday is the superintendent at just such a course. The course is managed by Kemper, and is pretty exclusive. As the Super, he gets his salary, plus full membership privileges, AND ON COURSE HOUSING. He's living the focking dream I tell ya. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DankNuggs 305 Posted June 25, 2015 One of the guys in my foursome from yesterday is the superintendent at just such a course. The course is managed by Kemper, and is pretty exclusive. As the Super, he gets his salary, plus full membership privileges, AND ON COURSE HOUSING. He's living the focking dream I tell ya. Its a pretty good deal but its a very tough job keeping a golf course in pristine condition Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BunnysBastatrds 1,913 Posted June 25, 2015 I play in a tournament every year that has two groups post 52 every year. One posted a 50 one year. Swore up and down they birdied all the par 3's and 4's and eagled all the par 5's. They work for the company and each of these teams has a player that played on the Nike tour or in college. Last year they boss got tired of seeing these low scores and had someone follow each group. Both shot a 61. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 5,552 Posted June 25, 2015 I play in a tournament every year that has two groups post 52 every year. One posted a 50 one year. Swore up and down they birdied all the par 3's and 4's and eagled all the par 5's. They work for the company and each of these teams has a player that played on the Nike tour or in college. Last year they boss got tired of seeing these low scores and had someone follow each group. Both shot a 61. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vuduchile 1,941 Posted June 25, 2015 Wow. These guys are s bags then. I have won 50-50s twice at charity events and donated my half back. It would be great if you could catch them. Yeah, we do 50/50 at our monthly meetings and pretty much everybody donates it back. Yesterday, a guy won a $350 gift certificate to the local casino and donated it back. We auctioned it off. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vuduchile 1,941 Posted June 25, 2015 Its a pretty good deal but its a very tough job keeping a golf course in pristine condition Not easy work for sure, but he seems to know what he's doing. He was at Riviera for an internship years ago, and he's been at this place for almost 10. Kemper has wanted to move him around to other courses, but he doesn't wanna leave this area while his kid is still in school. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Djgb13 2,338 Posted June 25, 2015 Without assigning a volunteer to each team or have two teams play the same hole at the same time you aren't going to cut out the cheating. It's sad that people have to cheat at a charity golf event but there are those types of people out there Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteWonder 2,171 Posted June 25, 2015 Outings are a different beast and lots of people cheat. I play a shamble every year where they require you use at least 2 tee shots from each person and I know all groups are not doing that. Forget handicap. Use a modified Callaway system. shamble is different than a scramble and you won't have 59s winning. 2 years ago my foursome won with a 4 under 68 and that's with me pulling a DJ on 18 (our 18 anyway) 3 jacking from 15 feet for bogey. Thought we had no shot but we won outright not even a match of cards. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vuduchile 1,941 Posted June 25, 2015 I play in a tournament every year that has two groups post 52 every year. One posted a 50 one year. Swore up and down they birdied all the par 3's and 4's and eagled all the par 5's. They work for the company and each of these teams has a player that played on the Nike tour or in college. Last year they boss got tired of seeing these low scores and had someone follow each group. Both shot a 61. Yep. I believe this is what's happening at our outing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vuduchile 1,941 Posted June 25, 2015 Outings are a different beast and lots of people cheat. I play a shamble every year where they require you use at least 2 tee shots from each person and I know all groups are not doing that. Forget handicap. Use a modified Callaway system. shamble is different than a scramble and you won't have 59s winning. 2 years ago my foursome won with a 4 under 68 and that's with me pulling a DJ on 18 (our 18 anyway) 3 jacking from 15 feet for bogey. Thought we had no shot but we won outright not even a match of cards. I don't mind doing a shamble, but I don't think this will cut down on the cheating. Guys who are cheating now will call everything inside 5 ft. a gimmie, fluff up their lies, won't count any penalty strokes, and on and on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
