wiffleball 4,639 Posted January 20, 2019 Who really gives a fock? So what? Yep. That's pretty much the response from trumpettes when confronted with the truth. Oh, and mean girl gang up personal attacks. No wonder they love Trump so much. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,631 Posted January 20, 2019 Trump airlines - shutdown. Trump casinos - shutdown Trump steaks - shutdown Trump university - shutdown Trump magazine - shutdown Trump government - shutdown, using unpaid workers and blaming everyone else. He did say he was going to run the government like his businesses. Why did you leave off all those buildings with his name on them that are all over the place? How about the golf courses? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iam90sbaby 2,125 Posted January 20, 2019 What % of illegals do you figure have a bachelors? Lol Hopefully not to many right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 3,963 Posted January 20, 2019 What % of illegals do you figure have a bachelors? Lol You do realize a good number of illegals are people who overstayed a visa, right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Filthy Fernadez 2,696 Posted January 20, 2019 Whole lot of ignorance coming from the left. It's like they're rage posting since the Buzzfeed story turned out to yet another hollow story. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wiffleball 4,639 Posted January 20, 2019 Why did you leave off all those buildings with his name on them that are all over the place? How about the golf courses? You do realize that the majority of trump properties are actually held by foreign entities right? He regularly sells off branding rights. The value of those rights has dropped precipitously since he became moron in Chief. In fact, you can Google footage of people taking Trump's name off of properties all around the world. Oh wait, you don't actually know that. it turns out most of the McDonald's? Aren't even owned by a guy named McDonald too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wiffleball 4,639 Posted January 20, 2019 You do realize a good number of illegals are people who overstayed a visa, right? Shh... A huge percentage of them are Chinese. And Trump just took half a billion dollars from the Chinese as a bribe for one of his Indonesian properties so that he would take sanctions off a Chinese company that even the Pentagon won't allow on military bases because they are deliberately implanting spyware and their devices. Amazing how any one of these things would get anybody else not only impeached or fired, but jailed for life. The Trump has so many of these things that his last army of morons can't even keep up with. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,631 Posted January 20, 2019 You do realize that the majority of trump properties are actually held by foreign entities right? He regularly sells off branding rights. The value of those rights has dropped precipitously since he became moron in Chief. In fact, you can Google footage of people taking Trump's name off of properties all around the world. Oh wait, you don't actually know that. it turns out most of the McDonald's? Aren't even owned by a guy named McDonald too. I'm well aware woodchuck. But for some reason his name sold. Whole west side says Trump. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wiffleball 4,639 Posted January 20, 2019 I'm well aware woodchuck. But for some reason his name sold. Whole west side says Trump. And you can't take an off-ramp in Georgia without hitting a waffle House. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Honcho 4,023 Posted January 20, 2019 Why did you leave off all those buildings with his name on them that are all over the place? How about the golf courses? HTH Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 5,890 Posted January 20, 2019 You do realize a good number of illegals are people who overstayed a visa, right? Yeah 2/3rds of them. I assumed we were talking about Mexicans since he reference blue collar workers and the thread is about Trumps wall. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cbfalcon 824 Posted January 22, 2019 I really liked this article. It's uncertain whether President Donald Trump's proposed border wall will ever separate the US from Mexico. But it's already clear that the wall is reinforcing the fundamental fault line separating blue from red America. Opinions about the wall have become deeply interwoven with attitudes about the larger changes in culture, demography and gender relations that are reshaping American society. While Trump and congressional Democrats are mostly debating the wall on the grounds of effectiveness and efficiency, polling also suggests that for each party the barrier has become a powerful symbol of whether these underlying changes in American life should be welcomed or resisted. "Who are we as a country? That's the question on the table," said Robert P. Jones, the founding CEO of the Public Religion Research Institute, a nonpartisan organization that studies public attitudes about religion and culture. "That's a really fundamental question. And it's getting fought out in this symbolic territory over something like a wall, which to both sides can symbolize some of their deepest values and conflicts with the other party." The wall's symbolic resonance complicates the challenge of reaching a legislative compromise between Trump and congressional Republicans -- who are demanding funding for it as the price of reopening the federal government -- and Democrats, who not only view it as ineffective but are reluctant to validate a keystone of Trump's hardline immigration policies and what many in the party see as a symbol of racism. During the 1970s and 1980s, political scientists and legal scholars described the battle over abortion rights as "a clash of absolutes" that crystallized the emerging cultural divide between the groups in society that welcomed more permissive attitudes toward sex and more fluid family arrangements and traditionalists led by the emerging religious right movement that mobilized in opposition to them. In the same way, the wall may be becoming a "clash of absolutes" that crystallizes the key 21st-century cultural divide over the nation's growing ethnic and racial diversity. "It may be the clearest and most honest debate we've had about the fault lines in the country, but only if you peel it back and recognize it's not just about" border security, said Jones. "With the shutdown and the centrality of the wall you can say at least the real issues are coming straight to the fore." As I've written before, attitudes toward demographic, cultural and even economic change have become the central dividing line between the Republican and Democratic political coalitions. Republicans mobilize what I've called a "coalition of restoration" revolving around the groups that express the most unease and hostility about the big changes reshaping America, especially older, blue-collar, evangelical and non-urban whites. Democrats rely on a competing "coalition of transformation" centered on the mostly urbanized groups that are most comfortable with these changes, particularly young people (millennials and the first post-millennials, who will enter the electorate in 2020), minorities and college-educated and secular white voters, especially women. In this sharply divided political alignment, the wall looms as a concrete (literally, in earlier versions of Trump's plan) manifestation of deeper views about whether these changes are rejuvenating the country or threatening its traditions. The article then goes on to prove it's point with a bunch of numbers that show how directly our views on race and the wall correlate. I think the above is almost completely correct. I don't know that the wall issue can have the lifespan of the abortion issue, but it is in fact such a fundamental fault line that I can't comprehend either side giving in. It just feels like the most pragmatic thing to do would be to accept there isn't going to be any agreement on it anytime soon, and therefore we shouldn't destroy unrelated parts of the country over it. But I realize that is what my side is pushing for currently, therefore the left would see it as a victory and the right would see it as a loss, and we are beholden to seeking out wins and avoiding losses moreso than doing what is best. So I guess I don't know how it ends without a third party forcing something, (and even if one tries to do so, there will be tons of debate about whose hand they are trying to force). So it's a mess. https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/22/politics/border-wall-divide-opinion-change-red-blue-republicans-democrats/index.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MTSkiBum 1,594 Posted January 22, 2019 I have changed my opinion somewhat. While I still oppose the entire border wall, I am fine with 5.7 billion dollars being spent. That will be enough for around 10% of the border wall and I admit that it is not a terrible thing to expand the currently walled off section and/or to replace some of the dilapidated fences with a sturdier, longer term solution. I still oppose spending the 50+ billion or whatever the total wall will end up costing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,083 Posted January 22, 2019 I really liked this article. The article then goes on to prove it's point with a bunch of numbers that show how directly our views on race and the wall correlate. I think the above is almost completely correct. I don't know that the wall issue can have the lifespan of the abortion issue, but it is in fact such a fundamental fault line that I can't comprehend either side giving in. It just feels like the most pragmatic thing to do would be to accept there isn't going to be any agreement on it anytime soon, and therefore we shouldn't destroy unrelated parts of the country over it. But I realize that is what my side is pushing for currently, therefore the left would see it as a victory and the right would see it as a loss, and we are beholden to seeking out wins and avoiding losses moreso than doing what is best. So I guess I don't know how it ends without a third party forcing something, (and even if one tries to do so, there will be tons of debate about whose hand they are trying to force). So it's a mess. https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/22/politics/border-wall-divide-opinion-change-red-blue-republicans-democrats/index.html Good read, but it seems like we're trying to deep dive and correlate things to the n'th degree when this isn't that complicated. Being against illegal immigration and for legal immigration seems rather plain as day. And this isn't about money. Obama added an extra 3B in the 2016 Budget for illegal immigration and nobody batted an eye. This is political. It's trying to get a "win". It's purely political. Period. All the rest is just fluff...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cbfalcon 824 Posted January 22, 2019 Good read, but it seems like we're trying to deep dive and correlate things to the n'th degree when this isn't that complicated. Being against illegal immigration and for legal immigration seems rather plain as day. And this isn't about money. Obama added an extra 3B in the 2016 Budget for illegal immigration and nobody batted an eye. This is political. It's trying to get a "win". It's purely political. Period. All the rest is just fluff...... I agree with you that it isn't about the money....And I agree with you that this is purely political at this point, except I feel it's that way on both sides instead of just on the left's side....I think what the article is saying lines up with that thinking. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cbfalcon 824 Posted January 24, 2019 Prediction for how this all ends. Today they do the 2 votes. In spite of having a 52-47 Republican advantage, I believe the Democrat proposal will get more votes. I have a good air traffic controller buddy that has made some national tv appearances talking about it, and they have been calling senators and trying to put the pressure on. His wife says they are only 4 votes short, which shocked me frankly, as that would mean at least 9 Republicans will vote in favor. I don't know that I buy it, but we will see. But supposing that is true or close, I think it's a number that creates a lot of pressure on the Republicans. Then throw in what will surely be the Democrat message that this same proposal passed unanimously in December, and it's a tough message for the Republicans to fight. Then I figure the Democrats (I read this part earlier) will come to the table with a Border Security offer for a number higher than $5B, but it will include no wall money, and instead be all about securing entry ports, technology, etc....at which point this thing ends shortly after. And while I can't see both sides calling it a win, at least Republicans can say they got improved border security. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Filthy Fernadez 2,696 Posted January 24, 2019 Prediction for how this all ends. Today they do the 2 votes. In spite of having a 52-47 Republican advantage, I believe the Democrat proposal will get more votes. Because in a nutshell, they don't believe in going against their party? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Filthy Fernadez 2,696 Posted January 24, 2019 Trump proposal has much bipartisan border stuff: DACA, TPS, humanitarian, more judges, beds, drug detection at ports. Dems dug in against 1) replacing some existing border fence, and 2) 150 miles of new fence in high-risk areas. Absent Trump, bipartisan support. https://twitter.com/ByronYork/status/1088455954687905792 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,631 Posted January 24, 2019 https://twitter.com/ByronYork/status/1088455954687905792 And the democrats can't negotiate off of that? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Filthy Fernadez 2,696 Posted January 24, 2019 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DxsK_7lUcAAfSaG.jpg Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Filthy Fernadez 2,696 Posted January 24, 2019 Dems voted again to not pay federal workers during the shutdown. Now they’ve canceled votes on Friday & are leaving town before noon on Thursday as federal workers prepare to miss another paycheck. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cbfalcon 824 Posted January 24, 2019 Looks like.... Republican plan: 50-47 Democrat Plan: 52-44 Unsure why one less person voted in the Dem version. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iam90sbaby 2,125 Posted January 24, 2019 Looks like.... Republican plan: 50-47 Democrat Plan: 52-44 Unsure why one less person voted in the Dem version. Sad you and your people care more about a political victory and scoring votes with the Reeee crowd than the safety of Americans. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Filthy Fernadez 2,696 Posted January 24, 2019 Sad you and your people care more about a political victory and scoring votes with the Reeee crowd than the safety of Americans. Or getting the 800,000 Federal workers paid. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 5,890 Posted January 24, 2019 Or getting the 800,000 Federal workers paid. Trump and McConnell could do end the shutdown and get everyone back to work tomorrow. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Hand 482 Posted January 24, 2019 Trump and McConnell could do end the shutdown and get everyone back to work tomorrow. So could Pelosi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iam90sbaby 2,125 Posted January 24, 2019 Or getting the 800,000 Federal workers paid. Fockem. Dont even need most of them. Most those retards dont even know how to balance their own budget making 5k a month. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cbfalcon 824 Posted January 24, 2019 So could Pelosi How? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,083 Posted January 24, 2019 How? A negotiation takes two entities. Duh Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,631 Posted January 24, 2019 How? Someone needs to watch schooolhouse rock as a jump off point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted January 24, 2019 Wow repubs offered deal to pay workers...dems said no. Phony mutha fockers...workers must be pissed at them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,083 Posted January 24, 2019 Wow repubs offered deal to pay workers...dems said no. Phony mutha fockers...workers must be pissed at them. Is this true? If so can somebody provide a link? I'd like to know the honest response from the bored Dems. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 5,890 Posted January 24, 2019 So could Pelosi The House has passed several spending bills. Mitch wont even bring them for a vote. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cbfalcon 824 Posted January 24, 2019 A negotiation takes two entities. Duh Someone needs to watch schooolhouse rock as a jump off point. I admit I am a dumb dumb, but.... The Dem proposal has already passed the House (Now) and The Senate (in December). Now it isn't passing the Senate only because Trump is against it. So Trump can end this thing tomorrow. But the Trump proposal....even if Pelosi said she was on board, it can't get past the Senate....if it could have, it would have happened last year when Pelosi wasn't a factor.....So I don't see how Pelosi has the power to end this thing tomorrow. But again, I am dumb, so tell me where I am incorrect. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
12th Man 884 Posted January 24, 2019 The House has passed several spending bills. Mitch wont even bring them for a vote. Says the independent. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patriotsfatboy1 1,432 Posted January 24, 2019 Is this true? If so can somebody provide a link? I'd like to know the honest response from the bored Dems. No, it is not true. He is focusing on one portion. Republican bill = $5.7B for wall, keep DACA in place for 3 years, open government Dem bill = $0 for wall, reopen government for 2 weeks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted January 24, 2019 No, it is not true. He is focusing on one portion. Republican bill = $5.7B for wall, keep DACA in place for 3 years, open government Dem bill = $0 for wall, reopen government for 2 weeks nope I'm correct https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/10-dems-break-with-leaders-support-gop-bill-to-pay-workers-during-the-shutdown 10 Democrats break with leaders, support GOP bill to pay workers during the shutdown by Pete Kasperowicz | January 23, 2019 04:51 PM Print this article Ten House Democrats voted with Republicans in favor of a motion to scrap a Democratic bill to fully fund the government and instead make sure federal workers are paid as the shutdown continues. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Filthy Fernadez 2,696 Posted January 24, 2019 Trump and McConnell could do end the shutdown and get everyone back to work tomorrow. Trump has shown compromise whereas Pelosi hasn't. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 5,890 Posted January 24, 2019 Trump has shown compromise whereas Pelosi hasn't. The Wall has always been a political stunt, unfortunately for Trump nobody is buying it and he wont get it. Dude lost time to move on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patriotsfatboy1 1,432 Posted January 24, 2019 nope I'm correct https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/10-dems-break-with-leaders-support-gop-bill-to-pay-workers-during-the-shutdown 10 Democrats break with leaders, support GOP bill to pay workers during the shutdown by Pete Kasperowicz | January 23, 2019 04:51 PM Print this article Ten House Democrats voted with Republicans in favor of a motion to scrap a Democratic bill to fully fund the government and instead make sure federal workers are paid as the shutdown continues. That is a House Bill. Means nothing until the Senate is dealt with. The Dems were going to pay workers back pay (already passed) and fund the government. Just not the Wall. They did pass this bill https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/jan/23/house-passes-bill-reopen-government-through-feb/ Today, the Senate had 2 bills and neither passed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
