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#1 Vikings4ever

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Posted 18 June 2018 - 02:05 PM

Start 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 K, 1 D. Standard scoring, no PPR. For fun, we also run a best ball league off the mock.

 

Ray Lewis' Limo Driver:

1.01- RB Ezekiel Elliott, Dal. 

2.12- RB LeSean McCoy, Buf. 

3.01- QB Aaron Rodgers, GB 

4.12- WR Brandin Cooks, LA Rams

5.01- WR Alshon Jeffery, Phi.

6.12- WR Jordy Nelson, Oak. 

7.01- WR Chris Hogan, NE

8.12- RB Aaron Jones, GB

9.01- RB Carlos Hyde, Cle. 

10.12- TE Tyler Eifert, Cin. 

11.01- QB Dak Prescott, Dal. 

12.12- RB LeGarrette Blount, Det. 

13.01- WR D.J. Moore, Car. 

14.12- D/ST, Houston Texans

15.01- K Jake Elliott, Phi. 

16.12- RB Chase Edmonds, Ari. 

 

Robb:

1.02- RB Todd Gurley, LA Rams 

2.11- TE Rob Gronkowski, NE

3.02- RB Jerick McKinnon, SF 

4.11- WR Josh Gordon, Cle. 

5.02- WR Demaryius Thomas, Den. 

6.11- RB Marlon Mack, Ind. 

7.02- WR DeVante Parker, Mia. 

8.11- QB Matt Ryan, Atl. 

9.02- RB Kerryon Johnson, Det. 

10.11- QB Marcus Mariota, Ten.

11.02- WR Marqise Lee, Jax. 

12.11- D/ST, Minnesota Vikings

13.02- WR Josh Doctson, Was. 

14.11- TE Ricky Seals-Jones, Ari. 

15.02- WR Kenny Golladay, Det. 

16.11- K Mason Crosby, GB

 

Vikings4Ever:

1.03- RB David Johnson, Ari. 

2.10- RB Jordan Howard, Chi. 

3.03- WR Tyreek Hill, KC

4.10- WR Stefon Diggs, Min. 

5.03- WR Allen Robinson, Chi. 

6.10- TE Evan Engram, NYG

7.03- RB Royce Freeman, Den. 

8.10- QB Kirk Cousins, Min. 

9.03- WR Julian Edelman, NE

10.10- QB Derek Carr, Oak. 

11.03- WR Martavis Bryant, Oak. 

12.10- TE Jack Doyle, Ind. 

13.03- RB Chris Carson, Sea. 

14.10- K Stephen Gostkowski, NE

15.03- WR Mike Williams, SD

16.10- D/ST, Pittsburgh Steelers

 

Shovelheadt:

1.04- RB Le'Veon Bell, Pit. 

2.09- WR Keenan Allen, LA Chargers 

3.04- RB Christian McCaffrey, Car. 

4.09- WR JuJu Smith-Schuster, Pit. 

5.04- WR Golden Tate, Det. 

6.09- TE Kyle Rudolph, Min. 

7.04- QB Matthew Stafford, Det. 

8.09- RB Devontae Booker, Den. 

9.04- RB C.J. Anderson, Car. 

10.09- QB Jared Goff, LA Rams

11.04- RB Giovani Bernard, Cin. 

12.09- WR Mohamed Sanu, Atl.

13.04- WR Ted Ginn, Jr., NO

14.09- K Greg Zuerlein, LA Rams

15.04- TE Nick Vannett, Sea. 

16.09- D/ST, Cincinnati Bengals 

 

Hawkeye21:

1.05- WR Antonio Brown, Pit. 

2.08- RB Devonta Freeman, Atl. 

3.05- WR Doug Baldwin, Sea. 

4.08- RB Lamar Miller, Hou. 

5.05- WR Larry Fitzgerald, Ari. 

6.08- QB Carson Wentz, Phi. 

7.05- TE Delanie Walker, Ten. 

8.08- RB Tarik Cohen, Chi. 

9.05- WR Randall Cobb, GB

10.08- RB Nick Chubb, Cle. 

11.05- D/ST, Jacksonville Jaguars

12.08- WR Danny Amendola, Mia. 

13.05- WR Calvin Ridley, Atl. 

14.08- K Justin Tucker, Bal. 

15.05- QB Mitchell Trubisky, Chi. 

16.08- TE Mike Gesecki, Mia. 

 

Matt's Eagles:

1.06- WR DeAndre Hopkins, Hou. 

2.07- RB Joe Mixon, Cin. 

3.06- TE Travis Kelce, KC

4.07- RB Rashaad Penny, Sea. 

5.06- WR Marvin Jones, Det. 

6.07- WR Sammy Watkins, KC

7.06- WR Corey Davis, Ten. 

8.07- RB Rex Burkhead, NE

9.06- QB Andrew Luck, Ind. 

10.07- QB Patrick Mahomes, KC

11.06- D/ST, Los Angeles Rams 

12.07- RB Corey Clement, Phi. 

13.06- WR Anthony Miller, Chi. 

14.07- TE Charles Clay, Buf. 

15.06- RB Matt Breida, SF

16.07- K Robbie Gould, SF

 

Dan:

1.07- RB Alvin Kamara, NO

2.06- WR Mike Evans, TB 

3.07- RB Kenyan Drake, Mia. 

4.06- QB DeShaun Watson, Hou. 

5.07- WR Michael Crabtree, Bal. 

6.06- TE Greg Olsen, Car. 

7.07- WR Marquise Goodwin, SF

8.06- WR Kelvin Benjamin, Buf. 

9.07- QB Ben Roethlisberger, Pit. 

10.06- WR Sterling Shepard, NYG

11.07- RB Bilal Powell, NYJ

12.06- D/ST, Philadelphia Eagles

13.07- RB Spencer Ware, KC

14.06- TE Austin Seferian-Jenkins, Jax. 

15.07- WR James Washington, Pit. 

16.06- K Dan Bailey, Dal. 

 

RicemanX:

1.08- RB Kareem Hunt, KC

2.05- RB Dalvin Cook, Min. 

3.08- WR T.Y. Hilton, Ind. 

4.05- TE Zach Ertz, Phi. 

5.08- WR Jarvis Landry, Cle. 

6.05- WR Devin Funchess, Car. 

7.08- WR Robert Woods, LA Rams

8.05- QB Jimmy Garoppolo, SF 

9.08- RB Chris Thompson, Was. 

10.05- RB Jamaal Williams, GB

11.08- WR Cameron Meredith, NO

12.05- TE George Kittle, SF 

13.08- QB Alex Smith, Was. 

14.05- WR DeSean Jackson, TB

15.08- D/ST, Baltimore Ravens 

16.05- K Chris Boswell, Pit. 

 

Remote Controller:

1.09- RB Melvin Gordon, LA Chargers

2.04- WR A.J. Green, Cin. 

3.09- WR Adam Thielen, Min. 

4.04- RB Mark Ingram, NO 

5.09- TE Jimmy Graham, GB

6.04- QB Drew Brees, NO

7.09- WR Pierre Garcon, SF 

8.04- RB Isaiah Crowell, NYJ

9.09- WR Robbie Anderson, NYJ

10.04- QB Jameis Winston, TB

11.09- RB Duke Johnson, Cle. 

12.04- WR Tyler Lockett, Sea. 

13.09- RB Ty Montgomery, GB

14.04- TE Vance McDonald, Pit. 

15.09- D/ST, Denver Broncos 

16.04- K Matt Prater, Det. 

 

Fumbleweed:

1.10- RB Leonard Fournette, Jax. 

2.03- WR Michael Thomas, NO 

3.10- RB Derrick Henry, Ten. 

4.03- QB Russell Wilson, Sea. 

5.10- QB Tom Brady, NE

6.03- RB Ronald Jones II, TB

7.10- WR Cooper Kupp, LA Rams 

8.03- WR Emmanuel Sanders, Den. 

9.10- WR Allen Hurns, Dal. 

10.03- WR Kenny Stills, Mia. 

11.10- RB DOnta' Foreman, Hou. 

12.03- RB Doug Martin, Oak. 

13.10- TE David Njoku, Cle. 

14.03- TE Jared Cook, Oak. 

15.10- K Wil Lutz, NO

16.03- D/ST, Carolina Panthers 

 

ICEMAN:

1.11- WR Julio Jones, Atl. 

2.02- WR Davante Adams, GB

3.11- RB Derrius Guice, Was. 

4.02- RB Jay Ajayi, Phi. 

5.11- RB Dion Lewis, Ten. 

6.02- RB Marshawn Lynch, Oak. 

7.11- QB Philip Rivers, LA Rams 

8.02- RB Tevin Coleman, Atl. 

9.11- TE Trey Burton, Chi. 

10.02- WR Nelson Agholor, Phi.

11.11- WR Dez Bryant, FA

12.02- WR Tyrell Williams, LA Chargers

13.11- TE Cameron Brate, TB

14.02- QB Blake Bortles, Jax. 

15.11- K Matt Bryant, Atl. 

16.02- D/ST, New Orleans Saints 

 

White Wonder:

1.12- RB Saquon Barkley, NYG

2.01- WR Odell Beckham, Jr., NYG

3.12- RB Alex Collins, Bal. 

4.01- WR Amari Cooper, Oak. 

5.12- RB Sony Michel, NE 

6.01- QB Cam Newton, Car. 

7.12- TE Jordan Reed, Was. 

8.01- WR Will Fuller, Hou. 

9.12- TE O.J. Howard, TB

10.01- WR Jamison Crowder, Was. 

11.12- QB Eli Manning, NYG

12.01- RB Latavius Murray, Min. 

13.12- D/ST, Los Angeles Chargers

14.01- WR Rishard Matthews, Ten. 

15.12- WR Quincy Enunwa, NYJ

16.01- K Harrison Butker, KC

 

Round by Round results

 


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#2 phillygrrl08

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Posted 18 June 2018 - 04:40 PM

Excellent control on the Josh Gordon pick



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Posted 18 June 2018 - 05:01 PM

Here's sortable table of the results. I'll add Kirk's team by team analysis later tonight.


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Posted 20 June 2018 - 10:27 AM

Team by team analysis is ready.


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#5 Ray_T

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Posted 20 June 2018 - 11:26 AM

definitely some interesting stuff here.

 

Thanks for posting the results.


3 keeper, 12 team league Standard scoring with QB getting -1 pt for an interception & fumbles 5 points for a defensive safety & 6 points for a defensive TD.

Start 2 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 Kicker, one Def/Sp Tms

 

 

 

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#6 giraldi02

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Posted 21 June 2018 - 09:19 PM

Amari Cooper at 4.01 is amazing value

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#7 weepaws

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Posted 22 June 2018 - 12:39 AM

Non ppr league.

I think M Gordon and Fournette at 1.09 and 1.10 where great picks.

J Jones at 1.11 with Barkley still available is a horrible pick.

McCoy at 2.12 was the best second round pick.

Gronk at 2.11 was horrible.

Drake at 3.07 was a very good pick.

A Rodgers or any Qb in the third round is horrible, expecally when you start just one Qb.

B Cooks at 4.12 is a great pick in that round.

A Cooper at 4.01 is a reach for a player that has underperformed.

D Thomas 5.02 great pick.

S Michel at 5.12 is a real reach, might pay off but a Pats rb.

M Mack at 6.11 could be a real steal.

M out to Lynch at 6.02 is a a very questionable pick.

And P Garcon is a great under value pick, if Jimmy G is the Qb mos think he will be, Garcon will be is number one target.

R Woods at 7.08, oh no. Someone will lose and it’s him.

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1 John 3:16. Lamentations 3:25. Proverbs 10:27. Ephesians 6:13 Ezekiel 18:21-22. 2 Corinthians 10:5
Proverbs 15:29. Proverbs 18:12. 1 John 2:1-2. Ephesians 6:19. 2 Timothy 2:3-4. 1 Peter 4:14
Proverbs 23:12. Psalm 121:7-8. Ephesians 1:7. Deuteronomy 28:11-13. Romans 10:10. Romans 8:31
2 Peter 3:9. Isaiah 5:21. Proverbs 11:2. Matthews 5:16. Romans 12:14. James 1:8.
Psalm 58:11. Ezekiel 33:11-13. Hosea 14:9. Psalm 100:4. Romans 14:9. 2 Chronicles 32:8.
John 3:3-7. Philippians 2:11. Titus 2:11-14. Ephesians 4:2. Romans 11:33. Proverbs 12:1&26.
1 Timothy 1:15. Psalm 119:6. Proverbs 22:4. Psalm 46:1. Romans 12:17-21. 2 Chronicles 34&35.

#8 Hawkeye21

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Posted 22 June 2018 - 06:40 AM

Non ppr league.

I think M Gordon and Fournette at 1.09 and 1.10 where great picks.

J Jones at 1.11 with Barkley still available is a horrible pick.

McCoy at 2.12 was the best second round pick.

Gronk at 2.11 was horrible.

Drake at 3.07 was a very good pick.

A Rodgers or any Qb in the third round is horrible, expecally when you start just one Qb.

B Cooks at 4.12 is a great pick in that round.

A Cooper at 4.01 is a reach for a player that has underperformed.

D Thomas 5.02 great pick.

S Michel at 5.12 is a real reach, might pay off but a Pats rb.

M Mack at 6.11 could be a real steal.

M out to Lynch at 6.02 is a a very questionable pick.

And P Garcon is a great under value pick, if Jimmy G is the Qb mos think he will be, Garcon will be is number one target.

R Woods at 7.08, oh no. Someone will lose and it’s him.

Thanks.

 

I'm curious what your reasoning is behind all of these but mostly the Julio Jones one.  There's a lot of hype surrounding Barkley and I know he's usually going earlier but I see no issues with taking Jones before him.  As talented as Barkley may be he's on a team that doesn't seem to know how to run.  I can't trust the Giants enough to spend a first round pick on a RB.  Jones is always putting up a ton of yards but his TDs are extremely inconsistent.  I'm willing to bet his TDs go up this year since it probably can't get any worse.  My money is on the safer player which is Julio.



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Posted 22 June 2018 - 07:25 AM

I'll echo Hawkeye a little here. I passed on Barkley at 7 because I have at least a short history for Kamara.

There is a saying, a very old saying . . . You can't win your league (or the draft) in the first two rounds, but you can lose it there.

I'll never fault the safe pick early.

#10 ralphster

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Posted 22 June 2018 - 07:48 AM

only tiny hands makes the right picks. he's won his 8 team league the last five years straight doncha know?!
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#11 weepaws

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Posted 22 June 2018 - 07:49 AM

I think Beckham is better, so that’s reason number one.

In a non ppr league it looks like 18 players outscored J Jones at the rb/wr postion.

That alone would make Jones in a non ppr league worthy of a mid second round pick.

Jones has reached double digit tds numbers ones, so when I see some one say they see his TD numbers going up, I ask show me.

So I think Barkley will indeed out score Jones in a non ppr league.

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Psalm 58:11. Ezekiel 33:11-13. Hosea 14:9. Psalm 100:4. Romans 14:9. 2 Chronicles 32:8.
John 3:3-7. Philippians 2:11. Titus 2:11-14. Ephesians 4:2. Romans 11:33. Proverbs 12:1&26.
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Posted 22 June 2018 - 08:17 AM

Nobody's calling for him to score 15 TDs, but if you expect him to bounce back more into the 6-8 range, which he was at the previous 3 years, that would put him into the top 12.


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#13 weepaws

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Posted 22 June 2018 - 08:31 AM

Ok fair enough.

But in 2016 when he scored 8tds his 176 ff non ppr league points was 18th best.

So how many more do we give him so he can finsh in the top 12 in over all points for rb/wr.?

I don’t see him scoring more then 6-8 at best and the last two seasons he’s finshed with 1400plus yards.

I’ll stand by my rankings.

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Psalm 34:18. Ezra 8:22. 2 Corinthians 1:3. Ezekiel 36:26. Matthew 7:24-25. Proverbs 28:21&27. 1 Peter 3.
1 John 3:16. Lamentations 3:25. Proverbs 10:27. Ephesians 6:13 Ezekiel 18:21-22. 2 Corinthians 10:5
Proverbs 15:29. Proverbs 18:12. 1 John 2:1-2. Ephesians 6:19. 2 Timothy 2:3-4. 1 Peter 4:14
Proverbs 23:12. Psalm 121:7-8. Ephesians 1:7. Deuteronomy 28:11-13. Romans 10:10. Romans 8:31
2 Peter 3:9. Isaiah 5:21. Proverbs 11:2. Matthews 5:16. Romans 12:14. James 1:8.
Psalm 58:11. Ezekiel 33:11-13. Hosea 14:9. Psalm 100:4. Romans 14:9. 2 Chronicles 32:8.
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Posted 22 June 2018 - 08:52 AM

Ok fair enough.

But in 2016 when he scored 8tds his 176 ff non ppr league points was 18th best.

So how many more do we give him so he can finsh in the top 12 in over all points for rb/wr.?

I don’t see him scoring more then 6-8 at best and the last two seasons he’s finshed with 1400plus yards.

I’ll stand by my rankings.

Thanks everyone.

Looking at 2016, that was an abnormally good year for RBs, with 11 scoring more than 190 points. Compared with 8 last year, 4 in 2015, 9 in 2014, and 10 in 2013.

 

Jones probably doesn't have the upside that some others do. But he is a relatively safe pick. The only years he's fallen out of the top 10 in WR scoring are his rookie year, and his 5 game 2013.

 

Like Dan said, you're not going to win your league with your first pick, but you can lose it. Julio probably isn't going to lose your league for you.


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#15 weepaws

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Posted 22 June 2018 - 09:04 AM

Great points.

But once again Jones has finshed 18th in points in a non ppr league the last two season.

I think he’s the fourth best wr, so just picking him before Beckham was a questionable move too me.

Of course we all have are own rankings.

I think Barkley will be a true Rb1 and for that reason worthy of a higher pick then Jones.

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Todays Proverbs 4 Todays Psalm 19 God Bless.

Isaiah 12:2. Luke 14:23. Daniel 4:37. 2 Kings 17:39. Nahum 1:7. 1 Timothy 6:18-19. Psalm 9:7&8.
Psalm 34:18. Ezra 8:22. 2 Corinthians 1:3. Ezekiel 36:26. Matthew 7:24-25. Proverbs 28:21&27. 1 Peter 3.
1 John 3:16. Lamentations 3:25. Proverbs 10:27. Ephesians 6:13 Ezekiel 18:21-22. 2 Corinthians 10:5
Proverbs 15:29. Proverbs 18:12. 1 John 2:1-2. Ephesians 6:19. 2 Timothy 2:3-4. 1 Peter 4:14
Proverbs 23:12. Psalm 121:7-8. Ephesians 1:7. Deuteronomy 28:11-13. Romans 10:10. Romans 8:31
2 Peter 3:9. Isaiah 5:21. Proverbs 11:2. Matthews 5:16. Romans 12:14. James 1:8.
Psalm 58:11. Ezekiel 33:11-13. Hosea 14:9. Psalm 100:4. Romans 14:9. 2 Chronicles 32:8.
John 3:3-7. Philippians 2:11. Titus 2:11-14. Ephesians 4:2. Romans 11:33. Proverbs 12:1&26.
1 Timothy 1:15. Psalm 119:6. Proverbs 22:4. Psalm 46:1. Romans 12:17-21. 2 Chronicles 34&35.

#16 Hawkeye21

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Posted 22 June 2018 - 10:22 AM

I think Beckham is better, so that’s reason number one.

In a non ppr league it looks like 18 players outscored J Jones at the rb/wr postion.

That alone would make Jones in a non ppr league worthy of a mid second round pick.

Jones has reached double digit tds numbers ones, so when I see some one say they see his TD numbers going up, I ask show me.

So I think Barkley will indeed out score Jones in a non ppr league.

Thanks.

 

He had 3 TDs last year.  I can't imagine anyone is going to expect that to happen again.  He averages 6 TDs a season and that's including last year's 3 TD and a season with 2.  I think it's safe to expect him to double his TDs from last year.  I don't think anyone is expecting double digit TDs but I can certainly see something like 8 TDs.



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Posted 22 June 2018 - 11:44 AM

Amari Cooper at 4.01 is amazing value

 

 


A Cooper at 4.01 is a reach for a player that has underperformed.

 

 

History is on weepaws' side and I've seen enough of that history to keep Cooper on my 'meh' list. But I acknowledge this tug I feel pulling inside me that wants to believe Jon Gruden.

 

Giraldi, can you toss me a nugget that would make it tougher for me to dismiss Cooper this year ?



#18 weepaws

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Posted 22 June 2018 - 02:22 PM

if Jones had scored 8tds last season in a non ppr league he would be 11 in points scored.

If he scored 8.

I would easily take a rb1like Barkley in a non ppr at that pick.

Plus once again, Jones was picked with Beckham still on the board, and that’s another part of my statement.

I like Beckham more.

Thanks great chat.

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Todays Proverbs 4 Todays Psalm 19 God Bless.

Isaiah 12:2. Luke 14:23. Daniel 4:37. 2 Kings 17:39. Nahum 1:7. 1 Timothy 6:18-19. Psalm 9:7&8.
Psalm 34:18. Ezra 8:22. 2 Corinthians 1:3. Ezekiel 36:26. Matthew 7:24-25. Proverbs 28:21&27. 1 Peter 3.
1 John 3:16. Lamentations 3:25. Proverbs 10:27. Ephesians 6:13 Ezekiel 18:21-22. 2 Corinthians 10:5
Proverbs 15:29. Proverbs 18:12. 1 John 2:1-2. Ephesians 6:19. 2 Timothy 2:3-4. 1 Peter 4:14
Proverbs 23:12. Psalm 121:7-8. Ephesians 1:7. Deuteronomy 28:11-13. Romans 10:10. Romans 8:31
2 Peter 3:9. Isaiah 5:21. Proverbs 11:2. Matthews 5:16. Romans 12:14. James 1:8.
Psalm 58:11. Ezekiel 33:11-13. Hosea 14:9. Psalm 100:4. Romans 14:9. 2 Chronicles 32:8.
John 3:3-7. Philippians 2:11. Titus 2:11-14. Ephesians 4:2. Romans 11:33. Proverbs 12:1&26.
1 Timothy 1:15. Psalm 119:6. Proverbs 22:4. Psalm 46:1. Romans 12:17-21. 2 Chronicles 34&35.

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Posted 22 June 2018 - 03:18 PM

As the guy who drafted cooper, he is not who I originally wanted but felt he represented the most talent in the best situation at the time at the WR position

Stuck in the process.....

 


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Posted 22 June 2018 - 03:25 PM

 

He had 3 TDs last year.  I can't imagine anyone is going to expect that to happen again.  He averages 6 TDs a season and that's including last year's 3 TD and a season with 2.  I think it's safe to expect him to double his TDs from last year.  I don't think anyone is expecting double digit TDs but I can certainly see something like 8 TDs.

I haven't done nearly enough research to be set in stone but, I'll probably let someone else have Jones. Maybe Atlanta finally figures out how make him a red zone target, but until that time he's a half round or so over valued in standard. There are guys being drafted around him with similar floor and greater upside. I'll also find it hard to pull the trigger on a WR in round 1 and early round 2. 



#21 seafoam1

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Posted 23 June 2018 - 03:15 AM

How are those contract talks coming with Beckham? From the Giants perspective, they have a bad QB, a bad oline, a bad defense, control over Beckham this year, and they can then franchise him in subsequent years if they want. That is a lot of dollars in their pockets that they can put towards other positions while they toil in below average football play for the next few years instead of throwing high $$ at a player who is #1 drama queen on and off the field.

If Beckham even plays this year, he will get hurt. Pulled hamstring? Calf injury? Just my prediction.

I would take Jones any day over Beckham. Although I will be investing my draft dollars into RB and TE before WR this year, as I have done for the past many years. So neither of those guys will be on my team unless they go cheap, which they won't because it only takes 2 out of 12 owners to bid against each other to blow up the cost on these players, especially when the other considered "top" receivers are gone and panic sets in.

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Posted 23 June 2018 - 04:59 AM

This is good discussion.  It's odd to me, though.  I take a year off, and the conversations change.  It used to be critique of the teams.  Instead, it's a couple of picks that have garnered most of the attention in this thread.



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Posted 23 June 2018 - 08:16 AM

 
 
 
History is on weepaws' side and I've seen enough of that history to keep Cooper on my 'meh' list. But I acknowledge this tug I feel pulling inside me that wants to believe Jon Gruden.
 
Giraldi, can you toss me a nugget that would make it tougher for me to dismiss Cooper this year ?


Yessir.

I think Gruden utilizes Cooper in the slot where he should be. Why is that important to his future success? As you alluded to...history. Per PFF:

Cooper has averaged 2.65 yards per route run from the slot in his career, amassing 773 receiving yards and seven TDs on just 291 career slot routes.

Away from the slot, Cooper has averaged 1.62 YPRR, recording 2,143 receiving yards and 11 TDs on 1,324 routes.

That seems like a pretty discernible difference, but it makes sense. Cooper is a solid route runner. Getting him matched up against nickle corners makes sense.

In OTAs, that's where he was lining up too.

https://www.silveran...i-love-the-slot

Remember. He's still only 24 years old and entering his 4th season. I love his value this year.

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Posted 23 June 2018 - 08:19 AM

This is good discussion.  It's odd to me, though.  I take a year off, and the conversations change.  It used to be critique of the teams.  Instead, it's a couple of picks that have garnered most of the attention in this thread.


Vikings and Shovel to me nailed their drafts, but I actually see a lot of solid looking teams constructed. At this point in the off-season, at least to me, it's about finding a few of the picks that are the hot button ones. Either reaches or value picks that really stand out. I agree though, some good discussion arising from the mock

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#25 listen2me 23

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Posted 23 June 2018 - 10:17 AM

Team 1. Mccoy is a steal

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Posted 23 June 2018 - 11:26 AM

      I honestly expected the selection of Davante Adams was going to be the early WR selection that was going to cause people to lose their minds (ahead of OBJ, AG Green & Michael Thomas). As previous posters have mentioned, you can't win your draft in the first couple of rounds, but you sure can lose it. That means that you should be employing some risk mitigation while trying to draft the highest floor & ceiling player. In order to do that you look for consistency. Julio Jones has been on the Falcons for years and played at an elite level for the entirety of it. Regardless of TD production (which vacillates from year to year), he consistently has over 1,400 yards. He is now in the 2nd year with his OC, who I believe learned a thing, or two last season and will get much more out of the Atlanta offense this coming season.

 

      In contrast, OBJ is coming off a serious leg injury (strike one), has a new head coach (strike 2) and a new OC (strike 3). That is waaaay too much risk for me, considering that Jones is on the same talent level as OBJ and has none of these potential issues.

 

      Barkley hasn't even played in a NFL game yet. Have rookie RB's recently had success? Yes, but that doesn't guarantee Barkley will have the same success. I'm sorry, but with the recent history of the Giants, I am not risking a first round pick on "Shurmur Magic."



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Posted 23 June 2018 - 11:27 AM

Cooper isn't fast, has bad hands, and struggles to get separation. He's living off what he did in college. Take away the name and just look at his NFL film, he's a late round pick at best.

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Posted 23 June 2018 - 11:48 AM

Yes, I did not like the Gronk pick myself. I do not take TEs until the 10/11th rounds, so I thought I would try something different in the "Mock".........didn't like it still!! My thinking at the time was, Gronk in the 2nd then Rodgers at 3.02 and I would have the #1 RB (Gurley), #1 TE and the #1 QB.......but that didn't work either!



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Posted 23 June 2018 - 11:49 AM

Say folks......some discussion was had on McKinnon. I took him at 3.02. What is the Board's opinion of McKinnon and the SF offense this year?



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Posted 23 June 2018 - 12:02 PM

Say folks......some discussion was had on McKinnon. I took him at 3.02. What is the Board's opinion of McKinnon and the SF offense this year?

A Shanny RB in the third is worth the gamble in my opinion

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Posted 23 June 2018 - 12:43 PM

Say folks......some discussion was had on McKinnon. I took him at 3.02. What is the Board's opinion of McKinnon and the SF offense this year?


I am all in on McKinnon. I will raise him early in my auction league hopefully before the big RBs go. That should keep the cost on the low for him with a lot of backs yet to be drafted.

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Posted 23 June 2018 - 03:17 PM

I knew that there was no hope of McKinnon falling to the end of the 3rd round, but I think that he is an excellent "gamble" this year. As I stated above, in the first 2 rounds, I would never stick my neck out on a guy that had been in the league and never had success. In the 3rd round, though, in certain circumstances, I will take a flier on a guy that has an opportunity to be a top 10 RB. If nothing else, it sounds like Shanahan is going to feed him the ball and as we all know, opportunity trumps almost all else. Nice pick robb.

 

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Posted 23 June 2018 - 03:48 PM

only tiny hands makes the right picks. he's won his 8 team league the last five years straight doncha know?!


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Posted 23 June 2018 - 04:24 PM

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Don't you sense a tad bit of sarcasm here?????



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Posted 23 June 2018 - 04:39 PM

Cooper isn't fast, has bad hands, and struggles to get separation. He's living off what he did in college. Take away the name and just look at his NFL film, he's a late round pick at best.


Cooper ran a 4.42 40 yard dash at the combine.

A Raider receiver has been in the top 5 in the NFL in drops the last three years. Might start wanting to think some of this is on the quarterback. But the drops are definitely an issue.

Average separation yardage in 17:

Jordy Nelson - 2.7
Antonio Brown, Brandin Cooks, Michael Thomas, Amari Cooper - 2.6

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Posted 23 June 2018 - 05:43 PM

Yessir.

I think Gruden utilizes Cooper in the slot where he should be. Why is that important to his future success? As you alluded to...history. Per PFF:

Cooper has averaged 2.65 yards per route run from the slot in his career, amassing 773 receiving yards and seven TDs on just 291 career slot routes.

Away from the slot, Cooper has averaged 1.62 YPRR, recording 2,143 receiving yards and 11 TDs on 1,324 routes.

That seems like a pretty discernible difference, but it makes sense. Cooper is a solid route runner. Getting him matched up against nickle corners makes sense.

In OTAs, that's where he was lining up too.

https://www.silveran...i-love-the-slot

Remember. He's still only 24 years old and entering his 4th season. I love his value this year.

 

The efficiency boost from the slot and the fact said slot is receiving emphasis this Spring is the type of nugget that will have me bumping his outlook a touch. However, i'll be picking at the Turn this year and his ADP falls right smack in the middle of the two spots where the action comes to me. I'd have to either reach for him or have him fall significantly. But if camp reports and preseason action suggest real change is in the air, perhaps he won't be quite so much of a reach after all.