Limited to 3 keepers: 1 top 3 QB, 2 top 5-8 WR, 1 top 5-10 RB, who do you let go?

[steelers2101 7]

First, a few general league settings questions to consider:

 

How do deep starting lines (6 starters between RB and WR) affect the relative value of QB to RB/WR?

 

How about having 0.5 PPR ? Do you think having an elite QB becomes more valuable because there the options at WR/RB are less scarce or less valuable because they the ppr aspect only benefits the scoring of position players? How much more valuable does an elite WR become with the greater separation cause due to the PPR aspect?

 

In my opinion it really comes down to do you keep the top QB or a top WR as your 2nd WR since it's hard not to keep any RBs.

 

I'm in a 12 team 0.5 PPR league with bonus pts for 40+ yd TDs where we're allowed 3 keepers. It's worth noting that only 1 of our 3 keepers could have been kept the last two years (by anyone - trades don't reset the keeper clock; and rookies kept get an extra year). Due to that forced turnover, the greater turnover at the RB position doesn't hurt the value of keeping an RB so much and the longer value of WRs and QBs aren't benefited as much.

 

I'm specifically looking at Gio Bernard at RB (also gets free year of keeper eligibiilty), Josh Gordon and Julio Jones at WR, and Aaron Rodgers at QB.

 

 

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are passing td's 4 or 6?

 

i think and important thing to do is try and project what would be there for you in the draft at both RB and QB but I would lean toward keeping Bernard, Jones and Gordon and taking my chances with a different QB. QB seems pretty deep from a fantasy perspective where you can certainly succeed with the likes of Andy Dalton.

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I probably will keep Rodgers at QB, and Gordon and Jones at WR. They are among the best in their positions.

 

For a keeper league, there are probably other considerations depending on the league specifics.

 

I know lots of people think very highly of Gio Bernard, I like his situation, but his talent is not elite. You might be better off spending your top picks drafting your starting RBs instead.

[steelers2101 7]

6 point passing TDs. 4 point bonus for 40+ yard rushing/receiving TDs (2 pts for passing), 1 pt per 25 return yards as well, giving extra value to some players and adding depth of viable options at WR/RB.

 

Other likely keepers:

 

QB - Peyton, Brees, Stafford, Foles, maybe Luck (he has similar decision with Dez, Jeffrey, Arian Foster and Antonio Brown), maybe Brady (or Ellington)

RB - AP, McCoy, Charles, Forte, Lynch, Spiller, Murray, Lacy, Bell, Ridley, Martin, Morris, and 1 of Stacy/Ball, maybe Ellington (or Brady)

TE - Graham and Julius Thomas

WR - Calvin, Green, DT, Marshall, Dez, Jeffrey, Antonio Brown, Cobb, Jordy, AJ, Percy, DJax, Patterson.

[steelers2101 7]

I think I have to let Rodgers go. Not much left at RB and there are plenty of viable options at QB.

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I love Gordon like everyone else but I am glad he isn't an option for me because he is one little violation from being suspended

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that's easy for me to say I have aj green and dez on my roster

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I think gio is a keeper

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questions: can you trade any of those players and get an extra draft pick(s)? also, if you've been in the league for a while, how many QBs get kept typically?

 

personally, gordon is a slam dunk keeper. super young and uber productive. arguably top player at his position right now.

 

then if you can trade anyone, i'd do that, then keep the other two. but if you can't, i'm keeping gio. RB thins out pretty quick, and he's young AND good at pass catching, which is important in ppr.

 

personally i'd keep julio and take my chances at qb, but wouldn't fault going the other way at all.

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questions: can you trade any of those players and get an extra draft pick(s)? also, if you've been in the league for a while, how many QBs get kept typically?

 

personally, gordon is a slam dunk keeper. super young and uber productive. arguably top player at his position right now.

 

then if you can trade anyone, i'd do that, then keep the other two. but if you can't, i'm keeping gio. RB thins out pretty quick, and he's young AND good at pass catching, which is important in ppr.

 

personally i'd keep julio and take my chances at qb, but wouldn't fault going the other way at all.

 

No. I created rules shortly after we started the keeper league, after winning it the first two years, to prevent managers from being able to get value in the offseason for players they otherwise wouldn't/couldn't keep. We also can't have more than one guy that has been kept over 2 years, and if we have 2 of those guys, we can't trade one of them and keep the other. We would have to make that trade during the season. So my only option is to keep 3 and let one go.

 

Typically, at least a few QBs get kept every year, sometimes as many as 6 depending on the other options people have. This year, Peyton, Brees, Stafford and Foles will likely be kept, and possibly Luck and potentially Brady, too. I listed all the players being kept in an earlier post.

 

The concern about Julio is his foot. It would be a shame to give up maybe the top QB keeper is Julio gets hurt again. Certainly, if there are big question marks around him as the season begins, I'll just keep Rodgers.

 

I love Gordon like everyone else but I am glad he isn't an option for me because he is one little violation from being suspended

 

This does make me nervous about him. That said, he's still playing for a contract, and with his huge season last year I imagine it would cost him 10s of millions of dollars if he violated the substance abuse policy again. He can't be that dumb. And even after he gets his big contract, it won't be guaranteed. Hopefully he's been scared straight.

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There were a couple more general questions that I thought would be good for discussion.

 

Specifically, how do settings (like PPR, return yards) that allow WRs and RBs to score more points relative to QBs but not to each other, but also create more depth at RB and WR, effect the relative value of QBs vs WRs/RBs. The greater depth makes RBs/WRs maybe a little less scarce, which is a common argument against QBs since there are so many options, but at the same time, the elite players at RB and WR will score that much more. I think it makes QBs less valuable relative to the elite position players, but it makes a solid QB more valuable than the WRs/RBs below the top tiers.

 

What about deep starting lineups? This may be more obvious, but I could imagine arguments the other way, but I think deep starting lineups make solid position players more valuable relative to QBs because the deeper lineups create greater potential for a drop off. Taking my situation as an example, the difference between Julio/Gordon/Bernard and who I might end up starting otherwise at my last RB/WR spot will probably be a lot more than the difference between Rodgers and whomever I end up starting at QB. With smaller lineups, those without a flex, or even those with just 2 WRs, I think the elite QBs have more value relative to their WR/RB counterparts.

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This does make me nervous about him. That said, he's still playing for a contract, and with his huge season last year I imagine it would cost him 10s of millions of dollars if he violated the substance abuse policy again. He can't be that dumb. And even after he gets his big contract, it won't be guaranteed. Hopefully he's been scared straight.

 

I guess he can be that dumb. That makes my decision easy, although I could still consider Rob Gronkowski as well. However, I'll probably just stick with Aaron Rodgers.

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According to Silva, I should be keeping Gronk over Rodgers.

 

http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/47625/57/silvas-july-rankings-1-100

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6 point passing TDs. 4 point bonus for 40+ yard rushing/receiving TDs (2 pts for passing)

So long TDs are worth 8 and 10?

Along with the yardage points the players already get?

 

That sure sucks for a 39 yard TD.

[steelers2101 7]

So long TDs are worth 8 and 10?

Along with the yardage points the players already get?

 

That sure sucks for a 39 yard TD.

 

Yes, it kind of does. Makes me want to make the bonuses 2 and 1 instead of 4 and 2, but there are so few of those TDs, it hardly makes a difference. So the fun of the additional points probably outweighs the bad beat of long, but not long enough TDs.

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Thoughts on keeping Rodgers v Gronk?

 

I think GB will be an offensive juggernaut this year while Gronk, if healthy for all 16 games would provide a significant advantage at TE, but is probably not be worth the risk at the expense of keeping Rodgers, despite the depth at quarterback.

 

Then there's the consideration of who is the more valuable keeper moving forward beyond this season. Gronk could be a once in a lifetime TE, again, if he stays healthy. Rodgers is looking over his shoulder at some up and coming good, young, QBs.