First round PPR next year. 12 team.

[mookie86mets 8]

I know it's early but fun.

 

No particular order...

 

Johnson

Bell

Elliot

Brown

Jones

Beckham

Nelson

Green

Howard

Evans

McCoy

Gurley

 

I'm sure I'm missing someone and there will be rookies. But what are the thoughts out there?

[jimaveli 119]

Gurley is gonna drop to almost Melvin Gordon this year status if not worse. Shady may go in the first half of the first rounds too. He missed the better part of 2 games and one completely. And he still scored like crazy. And I'm guessing all the long runs mean he has a good yards per carry for folks to recite as the base of their shady Shady thesis.

[murf74 461]

Gurley is gonna drop to almost Melvin Gordon this year status if not worse. Shady may go in the first half of the first rounds too. He missed the better part of 2 games and one completely. And he still scored like crazy. And I'm guessing all the long runs mean he has a good yards per carry for folks to recite as the base of their shady Shady thesis.

Shady will be affected by new coach and qb greatly. And his wear concerns me

[weepaws 2,460]

Gurley and Howard huh.

 

Not to sure I would pick them at this time in the first round.

[mookie86mets 8]

Truthfully, the Howard and Gurley picks were made out of necessity to fill the round. So, who would you replace them with?

 

Howard's stats are very solid.

 

1178 yds 6 tds rushing and receiving 298 yds and 29 receptions and 1 TD.

 

That's only 12 games as a starter. He didn't play in the first week and saw some time in weeks 2-3.

 

Comparatively, Todd Gurley had 1,106 yds and 10 TDS rushing and 21 receptions and 188 yds and no receiving TDS last year. This was in 13 games. He was a consensus top five pick last year. Granted, that didn't work to well.

 

I'm not saying I'd love picking Howard in the first, but there is a case to be made.

[jimaveli 119]

Shady will be affected by new coach and qb greatly. And his wear concerns me

The college rbs see these types of posts and comments all the time. And it scares them crazily. Shady is 30.

 

Don't worry. Shady is gonna get totes unless a Chip Kelly type with a 'system' shows up and decides he hates Shady cuz of all of the freelancing/dancing. His hammies will cost him a couple games. If that happens, he's still a top 5 rb who wins you weeks...especially in any kind of ppr format cuz he's a pass catching machine too.

 

He got hurt and was crazily vultured on bunny tds this season and he still went to town, bought a corny shirt with the town's name in it, met the mayor, saw monuments, did a happy hour, bought fresh local produce at a market and whatever else you do when you go to town and really take it in.

[ralphster 274]

Only one I don't like is Jordy Nelson due to age and injury. Would probably replace him with Gordon.

[weepaws 2,460]

Would agree with Nelson.

 

I think this season was his big come back season.

 

Also proves just how much Rodgers really missed him.

 

So if we lower are expectations for Nelson one would think we should do so for Rodgers.

 

Good question mookie and I will return soon with my answer.

 

Thanks for the reply.

[Loaded Box 5]

I know there's a case for Howard and Gurley but I'm not going to be the guy who takes either in the first round. At this point I'd add a guy like Gordon over those two.

 

Murray may get some votes depending on how the offseason goes/what's expected from Henry in year two as well. Overall I think you're pretty close with the list you have. I guess we all already have the itch for next year!

[TimHauck 1,799]

I know there's a case for Howard and Gurley but I'm not going to be the guy who takes either in the first round. At this point I'd add a guy like Gordon over those two.

 

Murray may get some votes depending on how the offseason goes/what's expected from Henry in year two as well. Overall I think you're pretty close with the list you have. I guess we all already have the itch for next year!

The question is who do you put there instead? Freeman maybe? OPs list already has 6 WR's. A QB? Both Rodgers (week 15) and Brees (week 14) put up some duds at crucial times this year, plus of course you have the usual hesitation of draftting a QB that early. Will be interesting to see where Ryan gets drafted next year.

[browns16-0 30]

I think Melvin Gordon has to be on that list.

[Frozenbeernuts 1,652]

I think Gordon may be a bit of a trap. I am still not a big fan of his. I think he was boosted by a lot of goal line work that isn't easy to rely on.

 

I could be wrong though since I haven't gone over his td lengths.

[Oriole8159 86]

I think Gordon may be a bit of a trap. I am still not a big fan of his. I think he was boosted by a lot of goal line work that isn't easy to rely on.

 

I could be wrong though since I haven't gone over his td lengths.

 

Woodhead will be back, so that will cut in.

[weepaws 2,460]

Yeah I'm working at it right now.

 

It's a very good list , but it's hard for me to trust both Howard and Gurley as a number one pick.

[Loaded Box 5]

The question is who do you put there instead? Freeman maybe? OPs list already has 6 WR's. A QB? Both Rodgers (week 15) and Brees (week 14) put up some duds at crucial times this year, plus of course you have the usual hesitation of draftting a QB that early. Will be interesting to see where Ryan gets drafted next year.

Yea, possibly Freeman, but you'd probably feel a bit nervous selecting him in the first round next year as well. It's a great debate and I'm glad the topic was brought up - has me thinking about next season and possible debates for some offseason podcast episodes.

[jimaveli 119]

It is important that we don't allow the spreadsheet to make us forget the weekly floors of some of the guys at the top of lists.

[ralphster 274]

It is important that we don't allow the spreadsheet to make us forget the weekly floors of some of the guys at the top of lists.

 

And changes to personnel/coach/scheme, etc. So many factors to consider when looking down that particular rabbit hole.

[Ray_T 591]

Gurley is gonna drop to almost Melvin Gordon this year status if not worse. Shady may go in the first half of the first rounds too. He missed the better part of 2 games and one completely. And he still scored like crazy. And I'm guessing all the long runs mean he has a good yards per carry for folks to recite as the base of their shady Shady thesis.

Yeah, Gurley's value may be as low as it's gonna get.

 

You have to think the priority of the Rams on draft day would be to improve that O line and get some playmakers in at WR.

 

I dont know what they have for draft picks this year. I think they traded a few away, but this can be addressed (at least partially) in free agency.

[jaxjag 43]

Shady will be affected by new coach and qb greatly. And his wear concerns me

 

Less concerned about coach/QB. Age/wear would keep me away from McCoy in the first. I'd be more comfortable with Gurley and think the change in regime there could help him rebound considerably.

[WhiteWonder 2,171]

Bell

Johnson

Brown

Julio

Elliot

ODELL

Evans

Freeman

Gurley (depending on coach and draft)

AJ Green

Dez Bryant

Melvin Gordon

 

This is how I see it not how I expect others will. And I did it in order

[weepaws 2,460]

Right now I'm having a very hard time coming up with a top 12.

 

I'm not sure I trust Bryant or Gordon or Gurley or even Freeman.

 

I think Coleman will gain even more ground on Freeman , if he can stay healthy.

 

Gurley has the talent but did not produce.

 

Bryant can't stay on the field.

 

And Gordon's 3.9 yards per carry seems a little weak for a first round pick.

 

But at least you have one.

 

Good job.

 

Happy New Year.

[Loaded Box 5]

Bell

Johnson

Brown

Julio

Elliot

ODELL

Evans

Freeman

Gurley (depending on coach and draft)

AJ Green

Dez Bryant

Melvin Gordon

 

This is how I see it not how I expect others will. And I did it in order

Considered the idea of putting Dez into the top 12 as well. Games like last Monday night justify the pick, but there's always the threat of some down weeks due to young QB and his history with injuries.

[jimaveli 119]

The curse of San Diego is my biggest fear with Gordon. I think he's proven himself to be talented and a getter of tough yards, which is great for sustained goal line usage and success. But the curse...Chargers are on a long run of losing 10+ players a season. And it eventually either takes your player (like Gordon in the first quarter of week 14) or changes their situation so much that it's too much for your Charger player to overcome consistently.

[jimaveli 119]

I'm far too terrified of Dez's weekly floor and injury history to take him seriously as a first pick. He's a 'any week could be 3 tds' guy which is sweet, but he could just as easily djax you with a 2 for 16 and -4 yards rushing. And it's not a predictable thing. It's a nightmare to manage around. I'd much rather risk OBJ retiring out of nowhere to be a hair dresser with his kicking net wife.

[WhiteWonder 2,171]

Concerning Dez, the talent is there and the rapport with Dak is now there. If your greatest concern is injury then you have to be shy about Julio who seems to deal with a nagging injury every season or any RB in this league. Nelson is older and has dealt with many injuries of his own.

[giraldi02 470]

DJ

Zeke

Le'Veon

AB

OBJ

Julio

 

Those six are locks. After that it's really going to be interesting.

 

I could see Mike Evans going in the first as well

[jimaveli 119]

DJ

Zeke

Le'Veon

AB

OBJ

Julio

 

Those six are locks. After that it's really going to be interesting.

 

I could see Mike Evans going in the first as well

Interesting indeed. If either of the 'maligned' rookie rbs get drafted to a good situation, I could see Zeke's performance this year get them drafted super early too.

[giraldi02 470]

Interesting indeed. If either of the 'maligned' rookie rbs get drafted to a good situation, I could see Zeke's performance this year get them drafted super early too.

 

Imagine if Cook goes to the Saints...

[Marshall 98]

 

Imagine if Cook goes to the Saints...

 

Connor?

[giraldi02 470]

 

Conner?

Dalvin

[WhiteWonder 2,171]

Jared?

[Frozenbeernuts 1,652]

Dalvin Cooks?

[mookie86mets 8]

People are putting Murray in the the top 12. Perhaps warranted, but Henry has taken goal line carries the last 3-4 weeks. Might be a sign of things to come.

[murf74 461]

People are putting Murray in the the top 12. Perhaps warranted, but Henry has taken goal line carries the last 3-4 weeks. Might be a sign of things to come.

Murray owner here in redraft. I will not pay his first round tag next year . Henry will become heavily involved.

[weepaws 2,460]

There is no question that Murray adp will be to high going into next season.

[petekrum 20]

What about Hilton sneaking in?

[Frozenbeernuts 1,652]

What about Hilton sneaking in?

That guy is just so up and down. End of season stats look good, but there are always some major downers in there. If the Colts oline became good, then I could see Hilton becoming more consistent. I still don't think the other receivers on the team are anything special

[WhiteWonder 2,171]

I have to admit that Hilton is a better and more deserving player of a high draft pick than past guys I used to avoid in PPR because of their play style. Specifically Vincent Jackson in his San Diego days and DeSean in his Eagles days. I always thought those guys where way over drafted in PPR considering they are low volume, big play guys. And I still think they were heavily over drafted in their "primes"

 

I am guilty of lumping Hilton into that dnd category because of his style his first season or two but have to admit that he has developed into a mich more fantasy reliable WR.

[weepaws 2,460]

Pete I think that's a great question.

 

And trying to come up with a top 12 right now he seems to fit the bill.

 

I'm I having a hard time do so.

 

He's deserving of a top 12 postion.

 

Right now I have about 8 players and can't seem to truly trust more then that has a number one pick. M

 

Thanks for the question.

 

Happy New Year.

[gpann101 32]

What's it going to take to feel Howard belongs on this list?

-Most weekly consistent back...check

-Did not play a full season as starter yet still ended up being a top 10 back...check

-Plays on a team that has a lot of needs and still produced...check

-Better numbers than Zeke...check

- great kid,great work ethnic with old school smash mouth style...check

 

This kid was touted to become the starter eventually by the " experts" during camp. What will take for people to see he warrants first round attention? My god didn't C.J.Anderson get more attention than Howard? I'll be kind to say he currently is a TOP 2ND ROUND PICK for re-draft leagues. Kudos to the keeper /Dynasty leaguers that invested in him! With improvements to the o-line & QB play, don't be surprised to see the Howard skeptics rave that he's a top 3 back come 2018!