Bye Bye Meals On Wheels

[Hardcore troubadour 12,591]

no you haven't. Pussie hack

That's a good one Newbie. You still got game

[Alias Detective 1,179]

All you libs should be at the food pantry feeding the hungry. Old folks are starving out there. Get off your ass and go!

[Frozenbeernuts 1,652]

All you libs should be at the food pantry feeding the hungry. Old folks are starving out there. Get off your ass and go!

If there is a statement screaming I am a hack! This post is it.

[NewbieJr 540]

That's a good one Newbie. You still got game

your mouth is airtight around Trump's knob. You've never criticized him. Including during his campaign

[Hardcore troubadour 12,591]

your mouth is airtight around Trump's knob. You've never criticized him. Including during his campaign

If I show a criticism of him that I made, how long will you go away?

[NewbieJr 540]

Yesterday was,Trump's 10th visit to his country club since being president. 10th!! And yes, he golfed yesterday ROFL. What a hard worker.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,591]

Yesterday was,Trump's 10th visit to his country club since being president. 10th!! And yes, he golfed yesterday ROFL. What a hard worker.

Obama was shiftless and lazy. The laziest POTUS in modern times.

[jerryskids 5,172]

You lib idiots did a great job shifting the goal posts once you realized MOW wasn't going away. lol

 

Good point. But it goes to show why no funding ever gets cut. As I mentioned earlier, the program that was cut was 99% a slush fund for congresspeople to fund pet local projects which have no business getting funded by federal tax dollars. But... MOW was in there too, and the libs are parroting the MSM talking point that Trump hates old people. Just look at Frozenbeernuts. I mean, he means well, but he honestly thinks conservatives worship Satan.

[Sho Nuff 719]

All you libs should be at the food pantry feeding the hungry. Old folks are starving out there. Get off your ass and go!

On my own? No...contribute to one at my church and one a my sons school? Sure

[Sho Nuff 719]

 

Good point. But it goes to show why no funding ever gets cut. As I mentioned earlier, the program that was cut was 99% a slush fund for congresspeople to fund pet local projects which have no business getting funded by federal tax dollars. But... MOW was in there too, and the libs are parroting the MSM talking point that Trump hates old people. Just look at Frozenbeernuts. I mean, he means well, but he honestly thinks conservatives worship Satan.

You mentioned it as a slush fin without any actual substance to this claim.

 

(And Ive seen and audited things f Need by the CSBG and CDBG before...)

I find your claim quite without merit any more than other grants that are for pet projects at times...but we should be exposing that rather than just cutting funds and not fixing the underlying issue. Just as we should fix the underlying issues of the military and veterans admin rather than just blindly increasing the budget because it looks good.

[jerryskids 5,172]

You mentioned it as a slush fin without any actual substance to this claim.

 

(And Ive seen and audited things f Need by the CSBG and CDBG before...)

I find your claim quite without merit any more than other grants that are for pet projects at times...but we should be exposing that rather than just cutting funds and not fixing the underlying issue. Just as we should fix the underlying issues of the military and veterans admin rather than just blindly increasing the budget because it looks good.

 

Tad DeHaven has a list of some of the projects that have snagged CDBG funds instead of things that actually help the poor:

• $588,000 for a marina in Alexandria, Lousiana
• $245,000 for the expansion of an art museum in Allentown, Pennsylvania
• $147,000 for a canopy walk at the Atlanta Botanical Gardens in Georgia
• $196,000 for expanding the Calvin Coolidge State historic site in Vermont
• $294,000 for a community recreational facility in New Haven, Connecticut
• $196,000 for the construction of an auditorium in Casper, Wyoming
• $441,000 to replace a county exposition center in Umatilla, Oregon
• $98,000 for the Pearl Fincher Museum of Fine Arts in Spring, Texas
• $245,000 for renovations to awnings at a historical market in Roanoke, Virginia
• $294,000 for the development of an educational program at the Houston Zoo in Texas

DeHaven also noted how a good chunk of the funds of the program get siphoned out due to administrative costs. A good quarter of the funding goes to the various multi-level government bureaucracies to actually operate the grant process. One of the biggest beneficiaries of the CDBG program are the people who operate the program.

As a small-town newspaper editor I witnessed this reality play out in the real world years ago in the California desert. In the rural community of Barstow, due to the administrative challenges of landing the grants, in the end, the local homeless shelter received somewhere around $2,000 from this program, a pittance that accomplished little. The rest ended up going to the city itself, who used the funds to repave the parking lots for local parks.

Check out this audit from Riverside County, California, for their CDBG expenditures for 2016, and there's neither a meal nor a wheel to be found. Of the $761,744 the county received, nearly all of it went to improve a playground and the sidewalks of a single local elementary school. And note that the reason they were audited by Housing and Urban Development was because they hadn't provided proper documentation of their expenses.

 

http://reason.com/blog/2017/03/16/the-community-development-block-grant-pr

[iam90sbaby 2,120]

Sho... the ultimate hack.. says he is moderate, only sides with the left, but votes right... wtf?

 

You do realize had the guy you said you voted for Johnson won, this is and every other social program would be in jeopardy. What do you have to say about that?

[Sho Nuff 719]

 

 

http://reason.com/blog/2017/03/16/the-community-development-block-grant-pr

Many of those seem reasonable as Community Development

HTH

[Sho Nuff 719]

Sho... the ultimate hack.. says he is moderate, only sides with the left, but votes right... wtf?

 

You do realize had the guy you said you voted for Johnson won, this is and every other social program would be in jeopardy. What do you have to say about that?

Again...socially I am more liberal.

I support many social programs when possible.

You do realize that my vote for Johnson was never in thinking he had a chance to win.

 

This is t just about MOW. My first post was about how this budget proposal sucks...and it does.

 

It's not fiscally conservative an it works to gut social programs for the less fortunate while rewarding the rich (combined with his proposals for tax cuts and the regulations he has proposed cutting.

 

It's that simple.

[iam90sbaby 2,120]

Again...socially I am more liberal.

I support many social programs when possible.

You do realize that my vote for Johnson was never in thinking he had a chance to win.

 

This is t just about MOW. My first post was about how this budget proposal sucks...and it does.

 

It's not fiscally conservative an it works to gut social programs for the less fortunate while rewarding the rich (combined with his proposals for tax cuts and the regulations he has proposed cutting.

 

It's that simple.

 

So you voted for a guy who you didn't agree with whatsoever and had no chance to win? Yeah, hack.

[jerryskids 5,172]

Many of those seem reasonable as Community Development

HTH

 

Sure. But if Casper, Wyoming wants a new auditorium, the fine people of Casper and surrounding cities can find a way to fund it.

 

You've said nothing to discount my assertion that this is a slush fund, unless you think the federal government stays up at night trying to figure out how to add auditorium space in Casper.

[Sho Nuff 719]

 

So you voted for a guy who you didn't agree with whatsoever and had no chance to win? Yeah, hack.

Don't agree with whatsoever? Question...why must some of you make things up in order to argue? Never have I said I don't agree with him whatsoever.

 

So you think you are proving me to be a hack...but you are only pointing that out about yourself again.

[Frozenbeernuts 1,652]

 

So you voted for a guy who you didn't agree with whatsoever and had no chance to win? Yeah, hack.

Just wondering since I see you in this thread, are you OK with the tax cuts to the top bracket while wanting social spending cuts?

[Sho Nuff 719]

 

Sure. But if Casper, Wyoming wants a new auditorium, the fine people of Casper and surrounding cities can find a way to fund it.

 

You've said nothing to discount my assertion that this is a slush fund, unless you think the federal government stays up at night trying to figure out how to add auditorium space in Casper.

Perhaps...but it helps these communities...hence the name of the grant.

 

You've done. Itching to show its an actual slush fund. Not really my need to prove the opposite of your assertion chief.

 

The Feds don't do such planning. They grant things to communities...that's how the grant works.

[NewbieJr 540]

Obama was shiftless and lazy. The laziest POTUS in modern times.

You voted for him twice, retard. And Trump is going to outspend 8 years worth of travel and vacation in his first year. ROFL.

[Sho Nuff 719]

Lazy? Holy the right (and fake ex Dems) have gone completely mental.

[Alias Detective 1,179]

On my own? No...contribute to one at my church and one a my sons school? Sure

Good. I also help. I'd assume most libs are all talk with little action.

[Sho Nuff 719]

Good. I also help. I'd assume most libs are all talk with little action.

I'd assume most people are all talk and little action with so many things. Definitely not a left or right trait there.

[Frozenbeernuts 1,652]

I'd assume most people are all talk and little action with so many things. Definitely not a left or right trait there.

Yeah I thought that was one of the more obvious traits of human nature...

[NewbieJr 540]

I'd assume most people are all talk and little action with so many things. Definitely not a left or right trait there.

the left doesn't my money being taken out of there paychecks to help others. I am willing to do without if it means someone less fortunate can live a better life. That's the difference between the left and the right

[Reality 2,710]

the left doesn't my money being taken out of there paychecks to help others. I am willing to do without if it means someone less fortunate can live a better life. That's the difference between the left and the right

Well, and grammar.....

[cyclone24 1,804]

Well, and grammar.....

Haha.

 

This is what the left does though. Let us help the unfortunate by taking just a little bit of money out of other people's checks to do so. Meanwhile they do almost nothing to help these people.

But the Rubes on the left still buy it that these folks will legislate them out of poverty.

Like Charles Barkley says poor people have been voting Democrat for over 50 years and they are still poor.

[Strike 3,950]

This is redundant, but I will state it one more time in this thread, the countries that seem to take care of their poor also seem to be the more desirable places to live in the world. I think it's an easy correlation to see.

 

 

Just because you make a statement doesn't make it true. Why does the U.S. have the most immigration in the world then? Are you saying we aren't a desirable place to live?

[Strike 3,950]

I also guess my issue here (maybe this was brought up and I missed it)

 

Trump and his administration wants to cut social programs while many of his supporters agree. Programs designed to help the poor, someone like a single mom with 3 kids. Why was the top tax bracket so greatly reduced? We are saving the top earners millions of dollars while we defund the programs that help the lowest earners?

 

 

I would be much more inclined to helping the poor if we didn't have a wide open door encouraging MORE poor people to come here freely. Are you ok with Trumps wall and more immigration restrictions? If we keep just importing more and more poor people we're going to HAVE to become more socialist to continue meeting this goal.

[Frozenbeernuts 1,652]

 

I would be much more inclined to helping the poor if we didn't have a wide open door encouraging MORE poor people to come here freely. Are you ok with Trumps wall and more immigration restrictions? If we keep just importing more and more poor people we're going to HAVE to become more socialist to continue meeting this goal.

I can't argue with a projection that shows if we allowed anyone to come to our country who wants to that we would eventually be unable to function properly as a nation. What I doubt is the price of the wall being worth the cost to build it? Will the cost really be worth it in the end?

 

Also, this is plenty of talk of cutting social programs as multiple Geeks have discussed their displeasure with all of the "handouts". We are giving. My question that has still gone unanswered, are you OK with cutting social programs while also being ok with the top tax bracket being reduced?

 

Yeah and just because I say it, it doesn't make the statement true. I made an observation about the countries at the top of the social program spending list. Do you argue that the countries who spend more on social programs and welfare seem like the better countries to live in? Notice how African and Middle East countries are absent from the top of the list. I see a correlation. You don't see the correlation? If you want links they are easy to search for, and I also posted a few in this thread.

[penultimatestraw 473]

Most people are against the health care plan as proposed. Pay attention libtards.

Just as most of the other side isn't ecstatic with the ACA.

 

What kind of healthcare changes do you want?

[Strike 3,950]

I can't argue with a projection that shows if we allowed anyone to come to our country who wants to that we would eventually be unable to function properly as a nation. What I doubt is the price of the wall being worth the cost to build it? Will the cost really be worth it in the end?

 

Also, this is plenty of talk of cutting social programs as multiple Geeks have discussed their displeasure with all of the "handouts". We are giving. My question that has still gone unanswered, are you OK with cutting social programs while also being ok with the top tax bracket being reduced?

 

Yeah and just because I say it, it doesn't make the statement true. I made an observation about the countries at the top of the social program spending list. Do you argue that the countries who spend more on social programs and welfare seem like the better countries to live in? Notice how African and Middle East countries are absent from the top of the list. I see a correlation. You don't see the correlation? If you want links they are easy to search for, and I also posted a few in this thread.

 

Why did you respond to both of my posts in one? There was a reason I responded to your two separate points in separate posts. I'm not going to discuss multiple tangential issues in every post. So I guess we're done here.

[penultimatestraw 473]

Good. I also help. I'd assume most libs are all talk with little action.

Why would you assume that?

[Hardcore troubadour 12,591]

I love when a liberal is trying to make a point and goes the other countries route. As if what smaller countries, without nearly the infrastructure and defense obligations that the United States has, is correlary.

[penultimatestraw 473]

I love when a liberal is trying to make a point and goes the other countries route. As if what smaller countries, without nearly the infrastructure and defense obligations that the United States has, is correlary.

So can the US learn nothing from other countries then?

[Hardcore troubadour 12,591]

Just as most of the other side isn't ecstatic with the ACA.

 

What kind of healthcare changes do you want?

Catastrophic coverage for everyone is a good start. Reign in the drug prices. Subsidize those who can't take care of themselves, and have the others contribute something, regardless of income level. It doesn't seem to work to well when it's just free.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,591]

So can the US learn nothing from other countries then?

Of course, but comparing the welfare payments in scandanavia to the U.S. Is silly.

[Alias Detective 1,179]

Why would you assume that?

Just trolling.

[Frozenbeernuts 1,652]

 

Why did you respond to both of my posts in one? There was a reason I responded to your two separate points in separate posts. I'm not going to discuss multiple tangential issues in every post. So I guess we're done here.

Because I wanted to respond to both while my response was fresh in my head... are you being serious? Are you using me replying to two posts at once as a reason to dodge my question? I didn't know the rules stated I could only handle a response to one post at a time. I sincerely didn't mean to butt hurt you and ruin your day. And I also didn't realize you were a baby. Now I know

[jerryskids 5,172]

I can't argue with a projection that shows if we allowed anyone to come to our country who wants to that we would eventually be unable to function properly as a nation. What I doubt is the price of the wall being worth the cost to build it? Will the cost really be worth it in the end?

 

Also, this is plenty of talk of cutting social programs as multiple Geeks have discussed their displeasure with all of the "handouts". We are giving. My question that has still gone unanswered, are you OK with cutting social programs while also being ok with the top tax bracket being reduced?

 

Yeah and just because I say it, it doesn't make the statement true. I made an observation about the countries at the top of the social program spending list. Do you argue that the countries who spend more on social programs and welfare seem like the better countries to live in? Notice how African and Middle East countries are absent from the top of the list. I see a correlation. You don't see the correlation? If you want links they are easy to search for, and I also posted a few in this thread.

 

The problem is that you are asking the wrong question. If you believe that reducing taxes in certain areas has a trickle-down impact, then that is a good thing. If instead you are a mindless lib who slurps up MSM pablum and believe that Trump is raiding the treasury to give to his rich cronies, then that would be bad. HTH