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[wiffleball 4,631]

Ran across something interesting on YouTube. Just start typing the topic line into the search bar. It's all about feminism. And, in about 10 minutes, it sums up all of their arguments pretty well.

 

For example, regarding the so-called pay Gap. Women don't want to work as hard as men do, so they want men to work only as hard as women are willing to do so. As referenced by Billie Jean King saying that men should only play 3 sets like the women do at Wimbledon. By the way, Wimbledon pays both men and women equally at Wimbledon even though the men put in far more hours on the court and draw a far bigger viewing audience.

 

It was really about much more than tennis. It showed a clip from a woman at a college trying to say something fairly reasonable. That men in general are taller than women, have more musculature, fat accumulates in different places, that women gestate and lactate.

 

... and right on cue, the feminazis with their multi-hued hair and multiple piercings Storm Out Try to disrupt the presentation commit vandalism and ultimately security has to be called.

 

Because why? Because fascists don't have a right to speak. And apparently it's fascist to say that in general men are taller than women. Jesus.

 

Anyway, if you're interested, it's a good view. Like I've said before, I just see extreme leftism and extreme feminism eventually burning itself out. The reality is, even most women don't think the way that these hardcore fringes on the extreme left do.

 

Last, the other thing I liked, mostly because I've brought it up before, is in women's sports? You see so many women whether it's gymnastics or golf or tennis achieving the Pinnacle of success as children. And then never being able to continue that success. Compare that to men who put in literally 5 times as many hours honing and perfecting your craft. Any sport where a 14 year old Korean girl can wander onto the course and kick the out of the leader of the board? Isn't much of a sport.

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Who hurt you?

[wiffleball 4,631]

Who hurt you?

 

Well, there was Father McFeeley....

[fandandy 3,311]

Is this a good place to about that black woman on NFL Live? Jesus H Christ. Today she was wearing what looked to be a black lace negligee covered with a bright red blazer. Who the fock hired this and why do they feel the need to ruin NFL Live?

[RaiderHaters Revenge 3,566]

yep feminism today is a horrible thing

 

there isn't a wage gap, Tennis is a perfect example, but its everywhere

 

men working harder and are more willing to work more hours, that leads to more promotions. Men take less sick time and vacation time, that leads to more consistent work which leads to more raises and promotions

 

there is not a single job in the US that pays men more than women, but there are plenty that pay women more than men

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Trump addresses sassy redhead about the wage gap:

 

"You're gonna make the same if you do as good a job"

 

 

Gangster version (jump to 4:30):

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yep feminism today is a horrible thing

 

there isn't a wage gap, Tennis is a perfect example, but its everywhere

 

men working harder and are more willing to work more hours, that leads to more promotions. Men take less sick time and vacation time, that leads to more consistent work which leads to more raises and promotions

 

there is not a single job in the US that pays men more than women, but there are plenty that pay women more than men

Professional sports?

[RaiderHaters Revenge 3,566]

Professional sports?

 

lol you serious?

 

first of all, people in professional sports get paid based upon

 

a) their performance

how much their sport makes as a whole

 

why don't you claim Hollywood too

 

consumer driven income

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The success as children with sports is one I haven't heard of or thought about. Can't support or refute that one because I don't know sports well.

 

I know that I find hockey fun to watch because it takes strength, agility and being a scrapper. Women can do it but I'm definitely not as drawn to watching women play. Not totally sure why. Buy I also have a hard time with soccer when it seems like the guy fell too easily/exaggerates the injury. There's utility in it but I guess it betrays this expectation of seeing solid strength/true struggle, so it feels lame. Back to women playing hockey, there can be strength and true struggle, but I know if I was watching guys it would be on another level, so it's a poor substitute.

 

Love figure skating though, can definitely appreciate gymnastics, and I never feel like I need to see men's performances to be seeing the fuller glory of it.

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lol you serious?

 

first of all, people in professional sports get paid based upon

 

a) their performance

how much their sport makes as a whole

 

why don't you claim Hollywood too

 

consumer driven income

I don’t know what to tell you, as you are assuming men are always working harder, less days off, etc. While some of those points are valid, they don’t account entirely for the pay disparity.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 3,566]

I don’t know what to tell you, as you are assuming men are always working harder, less days off, etc. While some of those points are valid, they don’t account entirely for the pay disparity.

 

there is no pay disparity though

 

there is no job in this country where 2 people with the same exact qualifications to a tee, that a women gets paid less. Now might she make less over a lifetime? Sure. The gender wage gap is a complete myth fabricated to push a false agenda. If there was a way to pay women less, there would be MORE women not less women in upper management

 

its nature, men provide, women nurture

[RaiderHaters Revenge 3,566]

The success as children with sports is one I haven't heard of or thought about. Can't support or refute that one because I don't know sports well.

 

I know that I find hockey fun to watch because it takes strength, agility and being a scrapper. Women can do it but I'm definitely not as drawn to watching women play. Not totally sure why. Buy I also have a hard time with soccer when it seems like the guy fell too easily/exaggerates the injury. There's utility in it but I guess it betrays this expectation of seeing solid strength/true struggle, so it feels lame. Back to women playing hockey, there can be strength and true struggle, but I know if I was watching guys it would be on another level, so it's a poor substitute.

 

Love figure skating though, can definitely appreciate gymnastics, and I never feel like I need to see men's performances to be seeing the fuller glory of it.

 

basically when it comes to sports, watching women play is like watching grass grow

[Hardcore troubadour 12,587]

Is this a good place to ###### about that black woman on NFL Live? Jesus H Christ. Today she was wearing what looked to be a black lace negligee covered with a bright red blazer. Who the fock hired this ###### and why do they feel the need to ruin NFL Live?

NFL live was ruined a long time ago. A show I once watched every day if I could is now something I haven't watched in years.

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there is no pay disparity though

 

there is no job in this country where 2 people with the same exact qualifications to a tee, that a women gets paid less. Now might she make less over a lifetime? Sure. The gender wage gap is a complete myth fabricated to push a false agenda. If there was a way to pay women less, there would be MORE women not less women in upper management

 

its nature, men provide, women nurture

What would it take for you to believe otherwise?

[RaiderHaters Revenge 3,566]

What would it take for you to believe otherwise?

 

show me a job where a woman gets paid less ONLY because she is a woman. Just 1 job

[wiffleball 4,631]

I think that many people, both men and women would agree that maybe there's some more that can be done for women, but great strides have been made.

 

But the problem is, you can't have any sort of a reasonable discussion on the subject. Any more than you can about racism. Because it's the strident, shrill, angry far-left extreme that as you saw an example, literally won't accept the most basic of Concepts that men and women are different.

 

I mean, if you can't find common ground on something like that? Good luck making any meaningful progress in any direction.

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show me a job where a woman gets paid less ONLY because she is a woman. Just 1 job

There are many professions where women are paid less: surgeons, financial advisors, sales, teachers etc. But you'll just argue men do their job better/work harder, so I'll never convince you gender is a part of the issue.

 

Funny how you can recognize "plenty" of jobs that pay women more than men though.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,587]

There are many professions where women are paid less: surgeons, financial advisors, sales, teachers etc. But you'll just argue men do their job better/work harder, so I'll never convince you gender is a part of the issue.

 

Funny how you can recognize "plenty" of jobs that pay women more than men though.

Where do male teachers make more than woman teachers? Not in the public sector. And sales is commission based? Are you saying they get a lower commision?

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Where do male teachers make more than woman teachers? Not in the public sector. And sales is commission based? Are you saying they get a lower commision?

I don't know. Google "professions with largest gender pay gap". Teacher is on the list.

 

Fock, Ill do it for you: http://fortune.com/2015/03/02/jobs-biggest-gender-pay-gaps/

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

I don't know. Google "professions with largest gender pay gap". Teacher is on the list.

 

Fock, Ill do it for you: http://fortune.com/2015/03/02/jobs-biggest-gender-pay-gaps/

On that one, it is likely because coaches, who sometimes get paid huge money, are being called teachers because they also teach gym or whatever.

 

Surgeons? That one I find odd.

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On that one, it is likely because coaches, who sometimes get paid huge money, are being called teachers because they also teach gym or whatever.

 

Surgeons? That one I find odd.

Probably has to do with referral patterns and perception of competency in more "macho" specialties like surgery.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,587]

Stupid list. So a woman sells Avon and a man sells Mercedes and you want to count them both as salespeople? And then use that kind of data as an example of wage inequality?

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Stupid list. So a woman sells Avon and a man sells Mercedes and you want to count them both as salespeople? And then use that kind of data as an example of wage inequality?

What about a woman who removes an appendix and a man who does the same?

[Hardcore troubadour 12,587]

What about a woman who removes an appendix and a man who does the same?

I would say the sample size is probably very small.

[Gladiators 1,902]

In my industry and in the area I live, most of the HR jobs are held by women. It would surprise me if they allowed their companies to pay men and wome, who identical on paper, different wages. There has to be legitimate reasons for it...performance, education, experience, attitude, etc.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

In my industry and in the area I live, most of the HR jobs are held by women. It would surprise me if they allowed their companies to pay men and wome, who identical on paper, different wages. There has to be legitimate reasons for it...performance, education, experience, attitude, etc.

This is where i am at. If there were actually a legit pay gap, based on no reasonable factors, companies would be getting their d!cks sued into the dirt left and right.

 

Since that isnt the case, Im going to assume this a case of feminazis bending statistics to suit their agenda.

 

What do they want to fix it? A law? We already have such laws. Sue under those.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 3,566]

I don't know. Google "professions with largest gender pay gap". Teacher is on the list.

 

Fock, Ill do it for you: http://fortune.com/2015/03/02/jobs-biggest-gender-pay-gaps/

 

again this says nothing about how many hours they work, what their experience is, what their education is either.

 

the only thing the article even makes sense about is the fact that the alleged gap widens during child bearing years, which leads to the fact that if you average people age 25-54, its a really unfair comparison, cause during that time most women have taken time off for child bearing, or left the field completely, while a male surgeon at age 54 will obviously be making substantially more than a female surgeon who is 25.

 

again show me a job where 2 equally qualified people have put in the same amount of time in the position where the pay is less.

 

show me one job listing anywhere in this country that says

 

Salary - Man 40k/Woman 38k

 

I will try to find the study I saw before when I researched it that men are working upwards of 80% of the allotted overtime allowed

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as far as teachers, men are more likely to work summer school, women are more likely to take time off to spend with their kids who are out of school

 

from the same company Forbes..

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/karinagness/2016/04/12/dont-buy-into-the-gender-pay-gap-myth/#5b6bc1f42596

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This is tricky because I am logical and can see that this gender gap is largely based on manufactured circumstances. Car salesman dont get paid by the peemus. Surgeons dont have a designated pay for men and women. No job does. But theres some middle ground in the unspoken and unwritten details thats causing the perceived gap. I cant speak to where the fire is, but theres some smoke somewhere.

 

What I wont allow is for faulty logic to create arguments out of thin air. Like saying WNBA players dont make as much as nba. If the WNBA made as much money as the nba, their players would get paid the same.

 

Porn is a good example of the reverse. Gigantic industry making money hand over fist. Women make way more than men for doing the same job.

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as far as teachers, men are more likely to work summer school, women are more likely to take time off to spend with their kids who are out of school

 

from the same company Forbes..

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/karinagness/2016/04/12/dont-buy-into-the-gender-pay-gap-myth/#5b6bc1f42596

Nice.

 

I always figured this so-called statistic was in some sort of aggregate. That didn't tell the whole truth.

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There are many professions where women are paid less: surgeons, financial advisors, sales, teachers etc. But you'll just argue men do their job better/work harder, so I'll never convince you gender is a part of the issue.

 

Funny how you can recognize "plenty" of jobs that pay women more than men though.

 

Women teachers are paid less than their male counterparts when EVERYTHING is equal: Qualifications, experience, etc....? You got some proof about that. Because if true, I want to see the union contract that allows it.

[jerryskids 5,169]

Stupid list. So a woman sells Avon and a man sells Mercedes and you want to count them both as salespeople? And then use that kind of data as an example of wage inequality?

 

Yep. I'm a sales specialist for complex electronic design tools. To do my job you pretty much have to be an electrical engineer with 10+ years of engineering experience. We got together last week as an entire team of about 30 people. Exactly one of them was a woman (40 D and not attractive). We work with account executives who need a similar resume; there are about 40 of those, and again exactly one woman (34 B, a bit of a butterface but OK body). I've worked with this latter woman; she is extremely competent and successful, and I'm confident she makes what comparable guys make.

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Thought it said hot tennis exposes

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I would say the sample size is probably very small.

Id say you’re incorrect. The pay gap is well established in medicine. Try the google machine to look it up.

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This is tricky because I am logical and can see that this gender gap is largely based on manufactured circumstances. Car salesman dont get paid by the peemus. Surgeons dont have a designated pay for men and women. No job does. But theres some middle ground in the unspoken and unwritten details thats causing the perceived gap. I cant speak to where the fire is, but theres some smoke somewhere.

What I wont allow is for faulty logic to create arguments out of thin air. Like saying WNBA players dont make as much as nba. If the WNBA made as much money as the nba, their players would get paid the same.

Porn is a good example of the reverse. Gigantic industry making money hand over fist. Women make way more than men for doing the same job.

Until a few years ago, women’s tennis was a great example of a sport where women got paid less than men despite its popularity.

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Women teachers are paid less than their male counterparts when EVERYTHING is equal: Qualifications, experience, etc....? You got some proof about that. Because if true, I want to see the union contract that allows it.

No one is denying women with less experience/hours should be paid less. But the assumption that those factors are the only reason for the pay disparity is incorrect. These articles do a decent job summarizing the issue.

https://www.economist.com/international/2017/10/07/the-gender-pay-gap

https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/07/paygap-discrimination/492965/

https://www.epi.org/publication/what-is-the-gender-pay-gap-and-is-it-real/

Factoring differences in education, experience, age, location, job title, industry and even company, our latest research reveals that the “adjusted” gender pay gap in the U.S. amounts to women earning about 94.6 cents per dollar compared to men. It is remarkable that a significant gap persists even after comparing male-female worker pay at the job title and company level.

[jerryskids 5,169]

I believe I've read that women on average do worse negotiating salaries and raises because on average they are not as assertive as men. So that is a factor. But I would argue that meek men get paid less as well. In other words, it isn't the gender per se. Correlation without causation, my new favorite phrase today.

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I believe I've read that women on average do worse negotiating salaries and raises because on average they are not as assertive as men. So that is a factor. But I would argue that meek men get paid less as well. In other words, it isn't the gender per se. Correlation without causation, my new favorite phrase today.

Or perhaps society assumes women are more meek than men, but when they aren't, they are labelled a b!tch? Kinda a no-win situation when trying to negotiate.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,587]

If unfair wage practices is the discussion, why do we just stop at gender? I'm sure (positive) if we drill just a little deeper we will find huge discrepancies factoring in other differences. Like religion, nepotism, those born into wealth. But it's just so easy to throw the man/woman thing around.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 3,566]

women make more money in every tipped based job in the US

 

so they should just go work in a restaurant or bar