Florida Shooting

[LOD01 185]

If you ban and gather up all of the firearms in the USA, you'd better have a huge wall along the border. New guns will be flowing across it like crazy, and the guns will be going to the bad guys.

Yeah, pretty much.

[Mungwater 588]

Another thing that is stupid in this discussion... the 100 round drum. Much easier to load and carry ten 10 round clips. Takes only a second, maybe two to change. Even quicker if you tape them together.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

Yeah, pretty much.

Thats not really true.

 

Sure. Youre organized crime guys will have guns.

 

Tyrone the crackhead who does B&E to fund his habit? He wont have guns.

 

Skyler, the damages emo youth with an ax to grind? His daddy wont have guns lying around.

[bandrus1 413]

Another thing that is stupid in this discussion... the 100 round drum. Much easier to load and carry ten 10 round clips. Takes only a second, maybe two to change. Even quicker if you tape them together.

So the ability and easy of carry is a point to be made.. like it is easier to carry a ar vs hunting rifle

[Mungwater 588]

So the ability and easy of carry is a point to be made.. like it is easier to carry a ar vs hunting rifle

No it isnt, theyre the exact same.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

No it isnt, theyre the exact same.

If anything Id say your average AR is quite a bit heavier than your standard wood stock rifle. Every one Ive held seemed heavy as Fock.

[Mungwater 588]

If anything Id say your average AR is quite a bit heavier than your standard wood stock rifle. Every one Ive held seemed heavy as Fock.

Its more than likely that the people who dont know any better think thats a handle on a ar15 on top of the upper receiver. Thats the slot for a scope

[mobb_deep 917]

If anything Id say your average AR is quite a bit heavier than your standard wood stock rifle. Every one Ive held seemed heavy as Fock.

It really depends. Most AR have a lot of polymer parts. Polymer is lighter than wood. It really doesnt matter though. It was a dumb argument.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

Its more than likely that the people who dont know any better think thats a handle on a ar15 on top of the upper receiver. Thats the slot for a scope

My brother and his friends all have tricked out ARs. Different scopes and muzzles and triggers and yadda yadda. Ive been shooting with them a few times. They all seemed quite heavy to me.

 

And yeah, never seen one without a scope. That would be stupid.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

It really depends. Most AR have a lot of polymer parts. Polymer is lighter than wood. It really doesnt matter though. It was a dumb argument.

I know the ones Ive played with are built from kits. No two the same.

 

Especially if you have a bipod and a drum mag on there, theyre pretty heavy.

[penultimatestraw 473]

Another thing that is stupid in this discussion... the 100 round drum. Much easier to load and carry ten 10 round clips. Takes only a second, maybe two to change. Even quicker if you tape them together.

OK Mung, outside all this nitpicking, you’re typically pretty reasonable. Are there any new restrictions/regulations on firearms you’d like to see?

[jerryskids 5,191]

No. Youve convinced me. I am now totally convinced that selling guns indiscriminately on the internet and in every Walmart in the country is a great focking idea.

 

Im sure there is some other totally unrelated reason to explain our problem with violence. Probably those snowflake liberals and their pills.

 

Im out. Im tired of having the same nonsensical conversation with people that value their toys over lives.

 

While availability of guns is a contributing factor, I think it is false logic to conclude it is the only factor. We used to have a culture in which family, community, and country were important. I said to my wife yesterday that as a kid I felt like my behavior reflected my family and last name; I wasn't going to be the one that caused my parents to hide their eyes at church. Also as kids we needed to learn how to deal with adversity. Now... not so much.

 

 

[Sho Nuff 719]

Another thing that is stupid in this discussion... the 100 round drum. Much easier to load and carry ten 10 round clips. Takes only a second, maybe two to change. Even quicker if you tape them together.

And thatbsecond can be the difference as they saw in Arizona...reloading is what allowed people to stop Loughner...and he used a 33 round magazine in a pistol. Had his mag been lower capacity...would 6 people have died that day?

[penultimatestraw 473]

While availability of guns is a contributing factor, I think it is false logic to conclude it is the only factor. We used to have a culture in which family, community, and country were important. I said to my wife yesterday that as a kid I felt like my behavior reflected my family and last name; I wasn't going to be the one that caused my parents to hide their eyes at church. Also as kids we needed to learn how to deal with adversity. Now... not so much.

 

No one is saying it is the ONLY factor. Its far worse logic to conclude gun availability isnt a factor, or we should ignore it because guns are already out there, with unrestricted accessed based on an open-to-interpretation, modifiable 200 year old document.

[cyclone24 1,814]

 

 

While availability of guns is a contributing factor, I think it is false logic to conclude it is the only factor. We used to have a culture in which family, community, and country were important. I said to my wife yesterday that as a kid I felt like my behavior reflected my family and last name; I wasn't going to be the one that caused my parents to hide their eyes at church. Also as kids we needed to learn how to deal with adversity. Now... not so much.

 

 

 

Somewhat agree but it common thing we always here is how soft kids today are. We didn't have to deal with a tenth of what kids today have to deal with.

I can't fathom growing up in the social media era these kids have to. Where absolutely everything is out there and you are always reachable.

We also have far more single parent families and split homes now. That to me also is a factor.

 

But make no mistake I'm not placing the blame anywhere other than our ridiculous gun culture we have here.

A lot of places has mentally Disturbed people. A lot of places have drug issues. A lot of places have poor family structure. But what separates us is when we snap we always use guns. Always

[jerryskids 5,191]

No one is saying it is the ONLY factor. Its far worse logic to conclude gun availability isnt a factor, or we should ignore it because guns are already out there, with unrestricted accessed based on an open-to-interpretation, modifiable 200 year old document.

 

Actually I think that is exactly what he was saying, which is why I posted what I did.

[Sho Nuff 719]

 

 

While availability of guns is a contributing factor, I think it is false logic to conclude it is the only factor. We used to have a culture in which family, community, and country were important. I said to my wife yesterday that as a kid I felt like my behavior reflected my family and last name; I wasn't going to be the one that caused my parents to hide their eyes at church. Also as kids we needed to learn how to deal with adversity. Now... not so much.

 

 

 

I agree at times...but who is going to push that type of thing? The current GoO? The President who pays off Porn Stars.

Thing is...Id guess you grew up similar to me...not poor and needing...not rich. Parents did well enough to care for you, educate you and so on. Even then there were plenty that grew up above yiur class who didnt learn such lesson. Or below that didnt have both parents around do any number of reasons.

 

Yes...there is a large socio-economic issue to be had with shootings. Not sure we have seen that as much with the mass shooters though. Have they not been the typica middle class kid?

[Baker Boy 1,484]

So people still want to ban guns after it has been proven that the FBI, State Department, CIA, IRS, etc. can be politically compromised. The American people need guns to keep their government at bay! It is the only thing that has kept us from Totalitarianism.

[penultimatestraw 473]

Actually I think that is exactly what he was saying, which is why I posted what I did.

Not a chance he believes that. Titans?

[penultimatestraw 473]

So people still want to ban guns after it has been proven that the FBI can be politically compromised. The American people need guns to keep their government at bay! It is the only thing that has kept us from Totalitarianism.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

Not a chance he believes that. Titans?

Of course gun availibality isnt the only factor in violence.

 

Many social and economic factors also play a role.

 

Of course, those other factors also exist in much of the rest of the world, and they have no guns, and thus less carnage. In china, there used to be a rash of dudes going into elementary schools and knifing kids.

 

But Probably most dangerous city in Asia? Id say Manila. Why? The thugs there have guns, as they caught our gun sickness when they were our colony.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

So people still want to ban guns after it has been proven that the FBI, State Department, CIA, IRS, etc. can be politically compromised. The American people need guns to keep their government at bay! It is the only thing that has kept us from Totalitarianism.

So what, pray tell, has kept the entire rest of the civilized world from slipping into totalitarianism?

[cyclone24 1,814]

So people still want to ban guns after it has been proven that the FBI, State Department, CIA, IRS, etc. can be politically compromised. The American people need guns to keep their government at bay! It is the only thing that has kept us from Totalitarianism.

I'm hoping this is sarcasm. Didn't notice the winky face so I can't tell if this is an actual post a grown adult would make or not.

[Sho Nuff 719]

I'm hoping this is sarcasm. Didn't notice the winky face so I can't tell if this is an actual post a grown adult would make or not.

He believes it...its trolling...and copied from someone else . Take your pick from those options and likely more than one of them.

[MDC 5,890]

I keep seeing right leaning types talk about how this tragedy shows we all need to parent better and improve mental health services etc. Oddly enough I dont see a lot of calls for better incomes to allow single family homes or increased flexibility / personal time in the corporate world to support a better work life balance. Neither do I see calls for increased spending on mental health outreach / Medicaid or anything else to address the mental health component.

 

Its almosy like this is an empty bromide used to avoid talking about gun control as a possible partial solution.

[cyclone24 1,814]

I keep seeing right leaning types talk about how this tragedy shows we all need to parent better and improve mental health services etc. Oddly enough I dont see a lot of calls for better incomes to allow single family homes or increased flexibility / personal time in the corporate world to support a better work life balance. Neither do I see calls for increased spending on mental health outreach / Medicaid or anything else to address the mental health component.

 

Its almosy like this is an empty bromide used to avoid talking about gun control as a possible partial solution.

Well Jesus you could place every issue we ever have on money if you wanted to.

 

The problem I have is the pro-gun folks want to place the blame anywhere on this massive Earth other than guns. I mean they just make up the craziest nonsense to deflect away from the gun problem we have.

 

In my opinion nobody is going to stop crazy people from doing crazy things. It's finding a solution to when these people do snap that they don't have the easiest possible way on Earth to mow down a hundred people in a handful of minutes.

[MDC 5,890]

Well Jesus you could place every issue we ever have on money if you wanted to.

 

The problem I have is the pro-gun folks want to place the blame anywhere on this massive Earth other than guns. I mean they just make up the craziest nonsense to deflect away from the gun problem we have.

 

In my opinion nobody is going to stop crazy people from doing crazy things. It's finding a solution to when these people do snap that they don't have the easiest possible way on Earth to mow down a hundred people in a handful of minutes.

I agree. Just commenting on people I see on Facebook and here saying Guns arent the problem - its bad parenting! Even if that were true wtf are we supposed to do about it?

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

I agree. Just commenting on people I see on Facebook and here saying Guns arent the problem - its bad parenting! Even if that were true wtf are we supposed to do about it?

Hell, their wet dream is ending abortion so we have more bad parents raising psychos out there.

[Mungwater 588]

So people still want to ban guns after it has been proven that the FBI, State Department, CIA, IRS, etc. can be politically compromised. The American people need guns to keep their government at bay! It is the only thing that has kept us from Totalitarianism.

That is no way in hell true anymore.

[Mungwater 588]

OK Mung, outside all this nitpicking, youre typically pretty reasonable. Are there any new restrictions/regulations on firearms youd like to see?

Personally, I think if youre on any prescribed mind altering medications, you shouldnt be able to get them. I dont know if thats possible with HIPPA and all that, but then you might have some folks who wont go to the doctor because they lose that right.

 

I dont really know what the answer is, total banning isnt possible. Restriction to just an AR 15 isnt possible.

 

I also think itll probably be the generation behind us to make the change, to be able to discuss it. We are too deep.

[Cdub100 3,380]

Another thing that is stupid in this discussion... the 100 round drum. Much easier to load and carry ten 10 round clips. Takes only a second, maybe two to change. Even quicker if you tape them together.

 

You know what's even quicker than changing a clip? Dropping an empty gun and using a different one.

[Sho Nuff 719]

 

You know what's even quicker than changing a clip? Dropping an empty gun and using a different one.

Which becomes more difficult to conceal the more weapons you carry.

 

Again...look at the giffords shooting...it was stopped how? Because even after a 30 round magazine...he had to stop to reload and while reloading he dropped the next mg and it allowed people to step in.

 

Another weapon...or magazine equals another chance for error...another chance to be stopped at purchase...another bulky item possibly being noticed.

 

Without taking 2nd amendment rights away you create layers of possible places for a gunman to be caught or stopped.

Yet even things like that arent good enough for you...right?

[penultimatestraw 473]

Personally, I think if youre on any prescribed mind altering medications, you shouldnt be able to get them. I dont know if thats possible with HIPPA and all that, but then you might have some folks who wont go to the doctor because they lose that right.

I dont really know what the answer is, total banning isnt possible. Restriction to just an AR 15 isnt possible.

I also think itll probably be the generation behind us to make the change, to be able to discuss it. We are too deep.

Alcohol is a mind altering substance that can promote violence. Antihistamines are mind altering too. Do you just mean SSRIs?

 

Again, almost no one is advocating a total ban. Of the stuff posted here, I think MDCs regulations are the most reasonable.

[Strike 3,957]

I keep seeing right leaning types talk about how this tragedy shows we all need to parent better and improve mental health services etc. Oddly enough I dont see a lot of calls for better incomes to allow single family homes or increased flexibility / personal time in the corporate world to support a better work life balance. Neither do I see calls for increased spending on mental health outreach / Medicaid or anything else to address the mental health component.

 

Its almosy like this is an empty bromide used to avoid talking about gun control asa possible partial solution.

 

You want higher incomes? Secure the focking border and get rid of illegal immigration. I guranfockingtee you wages will rise. McDonalds is already paying $11/hour starting in my area. Get rid of illegals and that will jump even more. And that's your bargain basement job. But no, you don't want to secure the border. As long as we import poverty we will have people living IN poverty. it's not that focking difficult.

[mighty_thor 115]

Police and military should be the only people allowed to own guns aside from specially licensed hunting rifles. Why? Because a few bad apples spoil the bunch, sorry.

 

Lol!

[MDC 5,890]

 

You want higher incomes? Secure the focking border and get rid of illegal immigration. I guranfockingtee you wages will rise. McDonalds is already paying $11/hour starting in my area. Get rid of illegals and that will jump even more. And that's your bargain basement job. But no, you don't want to secure the border. As long as we import poverty we will have people living IN poverty. it's not that focking difficult.

Whoosh.

[Mungwater 588]

Alcohol is a mind altering substance that can promote violence. Antihistamines are mind altering too. Do you just mean SSRIs?

 

Again, almost no one is advocating a total ban. Of the stuff posted here, I think MDCs regulations are the most reasonable.

Yeah, I think if youre drunk and at a gun store, you shouldnt be able to buy one.

[KSB2424 3,082]

Yeah, I think if youre drunk and at a gun store, you shouldnt be able to buy one.

What if youve ever had a history of alcoholism or drug abuse?

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

Alcohol is a mind altering substance that can promote violence.

 

Apparently so is liberalism.

[Strike 3,957]

Whoosh.

 

Yeah, I get it. Too many people refuse to see the building block nature of many of the issues that are impacting our society. But many of us do. And we aren't going to let our rights continue to be eroded when the root causes of many of our issues are being ignored or even exploited for political gain.