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[ChinaCat 21]

 

This is an unfortunate ripple effect of a sports team wading into the political arena in the same way that a politician shouldn't have waded into the sports world.

Like Obama filling out an NCAA bracket?

[IMMensaMind 459]

Why do people still not understand this?

Because they don't want to. The agenda I've written tirelessly about infected our education system long ago, and turned selfless Americans into extremely selfish "me, me, me" globalists. Wars have been fought over these concepts, and this decades-long effort to undermine America and what makes her great is the most diabolical and effective psyop ever run on man.

 

These lefties don't see loyalty to their own country and flag and underlying protections as more important than themselves. They see only that they should have a right to do as they wish without consequence. They'll endlessly chase the next injustice and laud the next victim's group, and arrange new and unique rights for each of them as they merrily march along. They have no idea that they've been useful idiots in the long game plot to divide us into indefensible parts.

 

The rest falls off their back like water off a duck.

[Antiramie 50]

Like Obama filling out an NCAA bracket?

 

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[fanfootballtn 33]

Hey antiramie? Crawfish? BTL? Etc?

 

This is your side. This is your guy. The one who thinks that what one does with their football team is more important than what one does as a citizen of a country.

 

This is a guy who is attacking a decorated Army Ranger - with a Bronze Star - for standing at attention during the National Anthem.

 

This is your guy.

To H.E. double hockey sticks with his bronze star. Would he abandon his fellow troops in war? He has rogue tendencies and I wouldn't stand next to him on the battlefield because he would run from the fight.

[IMMensaMind 459]

To H.E. double hockey sticks with his bronze star. Would he abandon his fellow troops in war? He has rogue tendencies and I wouldn't stand next to him on the battlefield because he would run from the fight.

There have been a whole lot of ridiculous things progs have said in these threads on this topic, and you add this bit of ridiculousness to it. He got a Bronze Star because he doesn't run from the fight. FFS.

 

How could you possibly characterize Al's decision to honor the US flag as abandoning his team?

 

Do you realize your fellow leftists were trying to claim that these protests weren't attempting to disrespect the flag?

 

You also realize that the reason he took the podium looking like a sheepish puppy is that he couldn't stand having to defend his coach's and his team's reprehensible display of disdain for the US flag, but still recognized them as his team, and took the spears and arrows as a result?

 

You do realize that Tomlin is a liberal as well, right? That this was his doing?

[jgcrawfish 232]

Hey antiramie? Crawfish? BTL? Etc?

 

This is your side. This is your guy. The one who thinks that what one does with their football team is more important than what one does as a citizen of a country.

 

This is a guy who is attacking a decorated Army Ranger - with a Bronze Star - for standing at attention during the National Anthem.

 

This is your guy.

None of these are my guys. I'm neither influenced by the opinions of the other posters on this board nor needing of their affirmations of my opining. He (fanfootballtn) is completely within his rights to think and make that statement. And again, while I may or may not agree with it, I completely support his right to make it. Contrary to your thoughts on it, I'm not trying to teach you, or anybody else, anything. And while I wasn't trying to do so, I surely have learned some things via these discussions: No, I obviously did not just yesterday learn what the 1st and 2nd amendments guarantee, but I did learn that people will use them both as a crutch and as weapon when necessary. I learned that me being open to listen to the viewpoints and experiences of others is a dangerous concept, particularly for you. I learned that "bored" is loaded with people who believe themselves absolutely right in their viewpoint to the point of trying to dissuade others from viewpoints that differ. I learned (well before this conversation) that honoring, not honoring and dishonoring are three separate things and just because one does not honor something does not mean he dishonors it any more than me opting not to pray during a moment of prayer makes me an atheist. I learned that because I don't sit in judgement of or condemn people with differing opinions that I am apparently a moral relativist, which actually sounds so damned cool that I may add it to my resume.

 

I learned that by not attaching a label to myself that apparently I'm 100% wrong 100% of the time because rightists think the right is always correct and the left is always wrong, and leftists think the left is correct and the right is always wrong, but both sides will lump me into the "wrong" side because I don't agree with either of them.

 

Lastly, I learned that much like the situation we've been discussing...sports and politics don't belong in the same conversation.

[IMMensaMind 459]

None of these are my guys. I'm neither influenced by the opinions of the other posters on this board nor needing of their affirmations of my opining. He (fanfootballtn) is completely within his rights to think and make that statement. And again, while I may or may not agree with it, I completely support his right to make it.

If the only thing you can muster in response is that you "support his right to say it", you're doing more than simply supporting his right to say it.

 

Contrary to your thoughts on it, I'm not trying to teach you, or anybody else, anything. And while I wasn't trying to do so, I surely have learned some things via these discussions: No, I obviously did not just yesterday learn what the 1st and 2nd amendments guarantee, but I did learn that people will use them both as a crutch and as weapon when necessary. I learned that me being open to listen to the viewpoints and experiences of others is a dangerous concept, particularly for you.

Being open to listen is only dangerous for those who cannot think critically, and who react with emotion instead of logic.

 

Unfortunately, they cannot distinguish their emotional outbursts from logic. It is logic to them.

 

I learned that "bored" is loaded with people who believe themselves absolutely right in their viewpoint to the point of trying to dissuade others from viewpoints that differ.

This is odd. I have sensed zero waffling in your posts; zero doubt that you think you're right. You don't think you're posting to try to dissuade someone?

 

What kind of cognitive dissonance causes one to arrive at such a conclusion?

 

I learned (well before this conversation) that honoring, not honoring and dishonoring are three separate things and just because one does not honor something does not mean he dishonors it any more than me opting not to pray during a moment of prayer makes me an atheist.

Right. And I knew - well before this conversation - that 'not' honoring is the action that takes place in your head when the Anthem is playing, and your thoughts are elsewhere.

 

And dishonoring is when you consciously engage in an action that demonstrates that want your negative inward thoughts to be broadcast outward.

 

Like taking a knee.

 

So your 'opting not to pray' thing is more - if it only manifest by what you do in your head - choosing "not to honor". Holding a cross upside down while others are praying?

 

DIShonoring.

 

So: learn again.

 

 

I learned that because I don't sit in judgement of or condemn people with differing opinions that I am apparently a moral relativist, which actually sounds so damned cool that I may add it to my resume.

I just learned that you don't know what I'm writing. Anyone who is critical is "sitting in judgement". Just like you are doing right now in your post. Hypocrisy, no? I condemned no one. I, in fact, went out of my way to call most of these participants simply caught up in the peer pressure of it, and having to decide what is best to do to avoid their team's bond from fracturing.

 

So: I just also learned that you don't mind characterizing my arguments as fiction in substitution for actually choosing to understand them.

 

I learned that by not attaching a label to myself that apparently I'm 100% wrong 100% of the time because rightists think the right is always correct and the left is always wrong, and leftists think the left is correct and the right is always wrong, but both sides will lump me into the "wrong" side because I don't agree with either of them.

I am not passing judgement or opinion on anything other than what you've revealed on this issue. Again, you hyperbolically run far afield and try to put words in my mouth.

 

Lastly, I learned that much like the situation we've been discussing...sports and politics don't belong in the same conversation.

 

And yet, it is the players and their owners - in complicity with the NFL - which has brought that upon us.

 

For a reason - and it isn't because of their latest grievance.

[jgcrawfish 232]

 

And yet, it is the players and their owners - in complicity with the NFL - which has brought that upon us.

 

For a reason - and it isn't because of their latest grievance.

 

Oh man, for all the thought you put into all the things you say, you waited until the last thing you typed to shat yourself. It was NOT the NFL players and owners in complicity with the NFL that brought this...it was YOUR President. Prior to this, you had a handful of players doing what they deemed was a justifiable form of protest, for the most part individually. No coaches took part, no owners condoned it. It was plain a simple several individuals exercising their rights. It was a personal choice of maybe a dozen players out of 1500+ that were doing it. That was until YOUR President waded in on a topic that needed no weight put to it. His divisive words galvanized what was a group of individuals in to a collective with a common reason to stand as one. The same man who previously criticized prior Commander in Chief for meddling in sports situations he had no business being in did far worse. I really don't give a fock about your background, where your from, how you grew up or your beliefs to be honest. You've proven, despite your best efforts, that you wholeheartedly support someone who fails to condemn white supremacists, stokes racist beliefs, is a sexist pig who should grab you by your p%&&& and appears more than willing to step on the personal freedoms guaranteed by our nation. Because you don't agree with the locale and manner in which people chose to voice their grievances (ironically without saying a word most time) you assert they they are wrong for doing so in same manner as the POTUS you so richly deserve. All the fancy vocab and slick wording doesn't change what you, or he, is.

[IMMensaMind 459]

Oh man, for all the thought you put into all the things you say, you waited until the last thing you typed to shat yourself. It was NOT the NFL players and owners in complicity with the NFL that brought this...it was YOUR President.

 

No, it wasn't. POTUS has nothing upon which to comment unless this was already there. Further, to say that they're now protesting Trump as a result of Trump's comment is idiotic; they're obviously not protesting trump.

 

Last: paragraphs. Try them.

 

 

Prior to this, you had a handful of players doing what they deemed was a justifiable form of protest, for the most part individually.

 

No, not individually. They were doing this with the assent of their teams, and by extension, the NFL.

 

 

No coaches took part, no owners condoned it.

 

Of course they did. If the coaches objected, or the owners objected, it would have stopped. Both were paralyzed by the fear of being attacked themselves.

 

 

It was plain a simple several individuals exercising their rights. It was a personal choice of maybe a dozen players out of 1500+ that were doing it.

 

You're repeating yourself, and we've been over this.

 

 

That was until YOUR President waded in on a topic that needed no weight put to it.

 

That's because you ignore the underlying agenda, and its implications. I've written about them. This is and has been a conscious hijacking of the NFL for pollitical purposes. You see no big deal, and you're not particularly attached to the flag with which to begin.

 

 

His divisive words galvanized what was a group of individuals in to a collective with a common reason to stand as one.

 

Wait.

 

You said he was being divisive. How did it suddenly cause....#unity? Perhaps you really don't know the purpose of Trump's barb?

 

I do. It worked. You remain self-contradictory, and apparently clueless.

 

 

The same man who previously criticized prior Commander in Chief for meddling in sports situations he had no business being in did far worse.

 

The prior POTUS was trying to inject politics into sports. This POTUS is attempting to remove it. He's pulling the infection to the surface in order to kill it, just as I explained earlier.

 

 

I really don't give a fock about your background, where your from, how you grew up or your beliefs to be honest. You've proven, despite your best efforts, that you wholeheartedly support someone who fails to condemn white supremacists

 

Lie.

 

 

stokes racist beliefs

 

Lie.

 

 

is a sexist pig

 

Maybe. If you had some testosterone you could try to be one too.

 

 

who should grab you by your p%&&& and appears more than willing to step on the personal freedoms guaranteed by our nation.

 

Because you don't agree with the locale and manner in which people chose to voice their grievances (ironically without saying a word most time) you assert they they are wrong for doing so in same manner as the POTUS you so richly deserve.

 

All the fancy vocab and slick wording doesn't change what you, or he, is

 

Lie. He hasn't stepped on anything. Repeating nonsense doesn't make it suddenly legitimate

 

Wrong. The players insulted our country, patriots and veterans, many of whom are the same thing. There was no "same manner". POTUS defended all of the above from this insult, and - in acting - has pulled this infection to the surface for treatment.

 

 

I'm sorry you're intimidated by words you really should be able to understand and use.

[ChinaCat 21]

 

 

Oh man, for all the thought you put into all the things you say, you waited until the last thing you typed to shat yourself. It was NOT the NFL players and owners in complicity with the NFL that brought this...it was YOUR President. Prior to this, you had a handful of players doing what they deemed was a justifiable form of protest, for the most part individually. No coaches took part, no owners condoned it. It was plain a simple several individuals exercising their rights. It was a personal choice of maybe a dozen players out of 1500+ that were doing it. That was until YOUR President waded in on a topic that needed no weight put to it. His divisive words galvanized what was a group of individuals in to a collective with a common reason to stand as one. The same man who previously criticized prior Commander in Chief for meddling in sports situations he had no business being in did far worse. I really don't give a fock about your background, where your from, how you grew up or your beliefs to be honest. You've proven, despite your best efforts, that you wholeheartedly support someone who fails to condemn white supremacists, stokes racist beliefs, is a sexist pig who should grab you by your p%&&& and appears more than willing to step on the personal freedoms guaranteed by our nation. Because you don't agree with the locale and manner in which people chose to voice their grievances (ironically without saying a word most time) you assert they they are wrong for doing so in same manner as the POTUS you so richly deserve. All the fancy vocab and slick wording doesn't change what you, or he, is.

 

Nobody kneeled tonight.

 

You can thank Trump for that.

 

Obama failed to condemn black supremacists. He actually encouraged them by inviting BLM to the WH multiple times. He had an open hostility for white people, jews the military and police and that's what caused all this ###### in the first place.

 

That is how Obama wanted to fundamentally transform America. He was a racist piece of and still is.

 

Go fellate him.

[jgcrawfish 232]

Nobody kneeled tonight.

 

You can thank Trump for that.

 

Obama failed to condemn black supremacists. He actually encouraged them by inviting BLM to the WH multiple times. He had an open hostility for white people, jews the military and police and that's what caused all this ###### in the first place.

 

That is how Obama wanted to fundamentally transform America. He was a racist piece of ###### and still is.

 

Go fellate him.

No, you can thank the public backlash of the NFL players protest for it. Even implying that Trump nudged this into the light of the public by goading the players into a reaction is delusional at best (looking at you "mensa"). However, I love the conclusions to which people jump. I never said I liked, supported, or even approved of Obama. Same goes for Hillary. I'm conservative, married to a conservative and raising conservatives. Amazingly I'm required to have conversations similar to these with my teenage children who blindly repeat the babbling of all the redneck Trump disciples running around the area I live (and apparently the board I frequent). Trying to make adolescents understand that just because someone says they'll "Make America Great Again" doesn't mean they have the first focking clue of how to do it. Unless that person means making it great again by inciting race riots and dividing the country along racial lines. I personally would think that one would start by fulfilling the basic tenants of their campaign promises but when you're such a colossal dipsh!t that your own party won't support you because of your statements and beliefs it becomes nothing but empty words and hollow promises. But I'm open minded enough to see that just because my beliefs work for me doesn't mean everybody else has to believe them as well. I'm reflective enough to understand that I'm a product of my environment and shaped by my experiences, even if I'm not confined to them, which not everyone else has common with me. But again, like other posters, any opinion that doesn't agree with extreme ones is wrong/leftist/rightist/socialist/communist/morally relativistic/cognitively dissonant/hyperbolic/unpatriotic/self-contradictory/clueless/hypoandrogic/whatever.

 

[stonewall 647]

But again, like other posters, any opinion that doesn't agree with extreme ones is wrong/leftist/rightist/socialist/communist/morally relativistic/cognitively dissonant/hyperbolic/unpatriotic/self-contradictory/clueless/hypoandrogic/whatever.

 

You forgot ugly, lazy, and disrespectful......

[jgcrawfish 232]

 

You forgot ugly, lazy, and disrespectful......

 

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and as always, on hanging onto the old 'Cuda quote!

[redsrback 30]

Few points i will add.

 

You know somebody dont know whats going on when they speak from the left calling the right a snowflake.

 

If your on the left and you think its there right to kneel and agree the owners have the right to take action - give me a break. Look how much argument was made out of kapernick.

 

Nobody will buy more tickets because of the kneeling, but trust me, all over on my wifes facebook account things are being posted by people that dont like this and to boycott the NFL. This is a losing cause, but in typical American fashion it will take time and butt kissing to rebound.

[Donkey 34]

All I'll say is people who boycott the NFL or threaten to boycott the NFL - while it's certainly their right - should look in the mirror and try to grow up a little bit.

[redsrback 30]

Ticket sales are down 18 per-cent, who you suppose will grow up first ?

[IMMensaMind 459]

All I'll say is people who boycott the NFL or threaten to boycott the NFL - while it's certainly their right - should look in the mirror and try to grow up a little bit.

Is that all you'll say?

 

Thank God.

[TBayXXXVII 2,107]

 

...it was OUR President. .

 

 

FIFY

[IMMensaMind 459]

No, you can thank the public backlash of the NFL players protest for it. Even implying that Trump nudged this into the light of the public by goading the players into a reaction is delusional at best (looking at you "mensa").

You fake conservatives should get your narrative straight. First, you guys claim that Trump caused this kerfluffle by making a point to engage in "divisive speech", and now you're here claiming that Trump didn't bring this out into the light to create a major public spectacle out of it.

 

You can remain in delusion about what happened here, but only the truly delusional will join you.

 

 

However, I love the conclusions to which people jump. I never said I liked, supported, or even approved of Obama. Same goes for Hillary. I'm conservative, married to a conservative and raising conservatives.

And I would tell you that with conservatives like you, we really have no use for liberals.

 

Amazingly I'm required to have conversations similar to these with my teenage children who blindly repeat the babbling of all the redneck Trump disciples running around the area I live (and apparently the board I frequent). Trying to make adolescents understand that just because someone says they'll "Make America Great Again" doesn't mean they have the first focking clue of how to do it.

Then neither do you, apparently. My agenda would be to uproot and expose all those equivocating fake people who claim that the flag is really really important to them, and that the Constitution is really really important to them. Trump is doing just that by pulling the infection in the NFL to the surface.

 

Already, the result has been no more kneeling during Anthems, only before - which is just fine. If you want to protest like that, it's just fine.

 

Already. The NFL, for its part, is already hearing from legions of its fans, who are letting the NFL know in no uncertain terms that they will not tolerate with their hard-earned cash any show of disrespect to their nation and their flag. And you can bet that the NFL will react by understanding that losing the customers they have and trying to replace them with pencil-neck antiFA types is not a good business model.

 

What Trump did is working. Pay attention.

 

Unless that person means making it great again by inciting race riots and dividing the country along racial lines.

As is typical of fake conservatives who are really liberals, you've got cause and effect absolutely backwards. Those lines were already well cut through, by this ongoing identity politics agenda. Pay attention for once in your life. Trump isn't taking on something that wasn't already there.

 

There was another famous liberal in history who could not see the forest for the trees either - denied the existence of the threat - until it was far too advanced, and thousands of people died as a result.

 

His name was Neville Chamberlain. His inaction and refusal to face reality resulted in the death of 300,000 Poles.

 

I personally would think that one would start by fulfilling the basic tenants of their campaign promises but when you're such a colossal dipsh!t that your own party won't support you because of your statements and beliefs it becomes nothing but empty words and hollow promises.

He's not a King. He can only do what he can; influence where he can, and battle the Swamp. The Swamp infects both parties.

 

How, exactly, do you propose that he forces all GOP members to agree on Repealing Obamacare, if they won't fear their own constituents enough to do it for him?

 

But I'm open minded enough to see that just because my beliefs work for me doesn't mean everybody else has to believe them as well.

Oh, certainly. That's why you've lobbed pejoratives at me the minute I lent you a stern argument in opposition to your positions.

 

I'm reflective enough to understand that I'm a product of my environment and shaped by my experiences, even if I'm not confined to them, which not everyone else has common with me. But again, like other posters, any opinion that doesn't agree with extreme ones is wrong/leftist/rightist/socialist/communist/morally relativistic/cognitively dissonant/hyperbolic/unpatriotic/self-contradictory/clueless/hypoandrogic/whatever.

 

Irony. You may want to brush up on what it is to be open-minded. One of the core tenets of it is to continue to argue logically, and not flail about with pejoratives like a petulant child who isn't getting his way.

[jgcrawfish 232]

Irony. You may want to brush up on what it is to be open-minded. One of the core tenets of it is to continue to argue logically, and not flail about with pejoratives like a petulant child who isn't getting his way.

I will most certainly take that advice, particularly when coming from the one who labels me in each of his protracted diatribes, specializes in pejoratives himself (said the petulant child...oh wait, you will say you didn't call me that, only compared me) and can't even see beyond his own narrow viewpoint because his head is buried so far up his presidents ass. But hey, it's the United States, right? As such you are completely within your rights to speak your well spoken, but still mindless, Trump drivel. Now you and your bad self just go on about Making America Great Again, because that process is working SOOOO well! I'm guessing it's about time to tune in to Rush, check in on dipsh!t's inflammatory tweets, watch your NASCAR weekly recap show and polish up the swastikas right? This was SOOOO much fun but I gotta go back to making a living.

[IMMensaMind 459]

I will most certainly take that advice, particularly when coming from the one who labels me in each of his protracted diatribes, specializes in pejoratives himself (said the petulant child...oh wait, you will say you didn't call me that, only compared me) and can't even see beyond his own narrow viewpoint because his head is buried so far up his presidents ass. But hey, it's the United States, right? As such you are completely within your rights to speak your well spoken, but still mindless, Trump drivel. Now you and your bad self just go on about Making America Great Again, because that process is working SOOOO well! I'm guessing it's about time to tune in to Rush, check in on dipsh!t's inflammatory tweets, watch your NASCAR weekly recap show and polish up the swastikas right? This was SOOOO much fun but I gotta go back to making a living.

 

 

Oh, you're complaining about the descriptor of a petulant child? After how many posts where I've tolerated your insults?

 

Just like a liberal.

 

No one who voted for Trump believed that "MAGA" is just flipping a switch. This is an entrenched problem, and extremely difficult to reverse. Wars have been fought over such efforts, and I have little doubt that is on our horizon.

 

I don't watch NASCAR. And I imagine that your earlier insults were pre-emptively justified because you knew you were going to like being told to stop stomping your feet like a petulant child, right?

 

I'm quite sure that's also why you were right at home calling me a NAZI too.

 

Hypocrisy. Rank. Just like liberals who pretend to be conservative.

[jaxjag 43]

This bum disrespected his teammates. Cut this scrub.

 

Are you confusing him with Josh Brown?

[lookwhoitis 0]

I hope Kim Jong Un lobs a nuke into this thread...