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#81 Hardcore troubadour

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Posted 15 February 2017 - 09:38 PM

I'm actually just having a laugh at those that claim Wikileaks is the only legit news source.

They are linking to some former NSA employee's Twitter . Supposedly the guy has connects inside the IC that are saying Trump used Russian Intelligence Services to spy on Americans, and when the smoke clears, he will die in prison.

:dunno:


But Wikileaks is a legit news source. It might be the most legit.

#82 Sho Nuff

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Posted 15 February 2017 - 10:16 PM

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Posted 15 February 2017 - 10:17 PM

I'm actually just having a laugh at those that claim Wikileaks is the only legit news source.

They are linking to some former NSA employee's Twitter . Supposedly the guy has connects inside the IC that are saying Trump used Russian Intelligence Services to spy on Americans, and when the smoke clears, he will die in prison.

:dunno:


These people that used to love the name Reagan believe what Russia Today and the Kremlin say more than they believ American Intelligence Agencies.
It's pathetic

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Posted 15 February 2017 - 11:01 PM

Left trying desperately to unring the bell.

 

 

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Posted 16 February 2017 - 08:31 AM

I just really think you all are overthinking it. You keep looking for a partisan viewpoint, a party to blame, etc. Bringing up Clinton investigations, Obama loyal operatives, Old guards that don't like the way Trump does things.....Sure, all those things exist and don't exist, but by going down that road and thinking they are behind it, you have to make tons of assumptions that all I have to work perfectly or the theory collapses.

 

Just go back to what I posted at the beginning of the thread. I make ONE assumption. The Cris Steele Dossier is essentially accurate. With that one assumption, pretty much everything makes sense. It answers most every question.

 

All hail William of Occam.

 

See, this is what I'm trying to get at.  Throw out the partisan politics.  

Something's fucky.  

 

I get it, people LOATHE Trump, and I understand why.

 

But Trump got elected because he wanted to drain the swamp.  If he was really going to do that or not, for the purposes of this discussion, is irrelevant.

 

However, what scares me is an DC outsider is already on the ropes.  THAT is what should scare us all.


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Posted 16 February 2017 - 08:38 AM

What should scare us all is the fact that there have been numerous signs that Trump has had dealings with Russia and refuses to ever say a bad thing about Putin, Manafort and Flynn have both been caught talking to Russian intelligence, and the Russians have buzzed one of our ships and have a war ship 3o miles off the coast of Connecticut, and he hasn't said a single thing about it.  And the Republicans only want to investigate where the leak came from. Not the fact that there are behind-the-scene dealings with our biggest adversary.


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Posted 16 February 2017 - 09:52 AM

 

See, this is what I'm trying to get at.  Throw out the partisan politics.  

Something's fucky.  

 

I get it, people LOATHE Trump, and I understand why.

 

But Trump got elected because he wanted to drain the swamp.  If he was really going to do that or not, for the purposes of this discussion, is irrelevant.

 

However, what scares me is an DC outsider is already on the ropes.  THAT is what should scare us all.

 

Well...then this news won't sit well with you.

When Trump called Lockheed Martin about the cost of the F-35 jets, he allowed Boeing's CEO to listen in on the phone call. 

https://www.bloomber...o-was-listening

How does THIS information leak out? I doubt heavily it's someone from the intelligence community. This seems like a leak directly from someone in the White House. 


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#88 Sho Nuff

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Posted 16 February 2017 - 09:53 AM

 
See, this is what I'm trying to get at.  Throw out the partisan politics.  
Something's fucky.  
 
I get it, people LOATHE Trump, and I understand why.
 
But Trump got elected because he wanted to drain the swamp.  If he was really going to do that or not, for the purposes of this discussion, is irrelevant.
 
However, what scares me is an DC outsider is already on the ropes.  THAT is what should scare us all.


Because the D.C. Outsider is an incompetent boob who came in guns a blazing insulting the media. Intelligence Community and Judiciary.
Oh...and has shown he does any know what he's really doing when it comes to governing.

#89 Sho Nuff

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Posted 16 February 2017 - 09:54 AM

 
Well...then this news won't sit well with you.

When Trump called Lockheed Martin about the cost of the F-35 jets, he allowed Boeing's CEO to listen in on the phone call. 

https://www.bloomber...o-was-listening
How does THIS information leak out? I doubt heavily it's someone from the intelligence community. This seems like a leak directly from someone in the White House. 


Trying to run the country like his business...and pissing people off.

#90 cbfalcon

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Posted 16 February 2017 - 10:04 AM

 

See, this is what I'm trying to get at.  Throw out the partisan politics.  

Something's fucky.  

 

I get it, people LOATHE Trump, and I understand why.

 

But Trump got elected because he wanted to drain the swamp.  If he was really going to do that or not, for the purposes of this discussion, is irrelevant.

 

However, what scares me is an DC outsider is already on the ropes.  THAT is what should scare us all.

 

I assume you've seen the reports stating that our Intelligence Agencies are now withholding higher level info from the White House. I assume you've seen the reports that other countries Intelligence Agencies are now withholding info from our agencies that they used to share. It's just further evidence.

 

We've been hearing "Country over Party" a lot lately. I personally believe that our Intelligence Community has for the most part actually lived that mantra for most of their existence.....But everyone buying into partisan politics and fake media and yelling has to come up with a complex theory that somehow explains why our Intelligence Communities and those around the world have now decided they are now Democrats (I'd have assumed the opposite historically) and want to take down Trump...yes, we can get there with some effort, but it sure does take a lot of assumptions to make it work.

 

Or we can just apply Occam's Razor and assume that dossier (or something equally as damning) is legit, and everything is explained. It's just the simplest explanation.


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#91 giraldi02

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Posted 16 February 2017 - 10:08 AM

Trying to run the country like his business...and pissing people off.

I don't know how this particular story will unfold...nor do I know whether it'll be covered in-depth. 

What I do know is, and this is strictly from what I know from my job...

If one of our buyers was calling Nike and allowed adidas' reps to listen in, it'd be a death kneel for doing business with Nike.


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#92 bandrus1

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Posted 16 February 2017 - 10:32 AM

 

Well...then this news won't sit well with you.

When Trump called Lockheed Martin about the cost of the F-35 jets, he allowed Boeing's CEO to listen in on the phone call. 

https://www.bloomber...o-was-listening

How does THIS information leak out? I doubt heavily it's someone from the intelligence community. This seems like a leak directly from someone in the White House. 

 

 

or Boeing?



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Posted 16 February 2017 - 10:33 AM

I don't know how this particular story will unfold...nor do I know whether it'll be covered in-depth. 

What I do know is, and this is strictly from what I know from my job...

If one of our buyers was calling Nike and allowed adidas' reps to listen in, it'd be a death kneel for doing business with Nike.

 

 

so what is lockheed going to do? stop sucking from the government? yeah right



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Posted 16 February 2017 - 10:43 AM

so what is lockheed going to do? stop sucking from the government? yeah right

 

You clearly don't understand business. And seeing how Lockheed and Boeing are the only two contractors competing for the T-X trainer contract, the fact that Trump is doing things like that should cause some trepidation. 


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#95 drobeski

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Posted 16 February 2017 - 10:46 AM

 
I assume you've seen the reports stating that our Intelligence Agencies are now withholding higher level info from the White House. I assume you've seen the reports that other countries Intelligence Agencies are now withholding info from our agencies that they used to share. It's just further evidence.

you've been fake newsed

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Posted 16 February 2017 - 11:00 AM

you've been fake newsed

 

Quite possibly. Here is one article:

http://observer.com/...ussian-embassy/

 

 

The Spy Revolt Against Trump Begins

....

Our Intelligence Community is so worried by the unprecedented problems of the Trump administration—not only do senior officials possess troubling ties to the Kremlin, there are nagging questions about basic competence regarding Team Trump—that it is beginning to withhold intelligence from a White House which our spies do not trust.

 

 

 

 

It may be fake news, but here is a plot twist for you.

 

The New York Observer is a news website which focuses on the city's culture, real estate, media, politics and the entertainment and publishing industries. Its current owner, Jared Kushner, is Donald Trump's son-in-law and a senior advisor to him

 

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#97 bandrus1

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Posted 16 February 2017 - 11:03 AM

saw this one floating around today that looks rather fake

 

https://www.facebook....8113672&type=3



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Posted 16 February 2017 - 11:15 AM

 

Quite possibly. Here is one article:

http://observer.com/...ussian-embassy/

 

 

 

 

It may be fake news, but here is a plot twist for you.

 

 

:music_guitarred:

 

Controlled chaos?


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Posted 16 February 2017 - 06:11 PM

Robert Harwood has TURNED DOWN Donald Trump's offer to be National Security Advisor.

Ouch!!! The hits keep coming. Worst first month evah!
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Posted 16 February 2017 - 06:46 PM

Robert Harwood has TURNED DOWN Donald Trump's offer to be National Security Advisor.

Ouch!!! The hits keep coming. Worst first month evah!


@jaketapper A friend of Harward's says he was reluctant to take NSA job bc the WH seems so chaotic; says Harward called the offer a "#### sandwich."

Also like 6 White House staffers fired for failing their background checks.

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Posted 16 February 2017 - 07:10 PM

@jaketapper A friend of Harward's says he was reluctant to take NSA job bc the WH seems so chaotic; says Harward called the offer a "#### sandwich."

Also like 6 White House staffers fired for failing their background checks.


"A friend". CNN is perfect for you.

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Posted 16 February 2017 - 07:16 PM

"A friend". CNN is perfect for you.

So you think it's fake news that Harwood turned down Trump? The worst first month for a president in US history got even worse. He is already a punch line.
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Posted 16 February 2017 - 07:20 PM

So you think it's fake news that Harwood turned down Trump? The worst first month for a president in US history got even worse. He is already a punch line.


Did I say that? That would be pretty stupid. That's your thing. Im pointing out the source of the quote is "a friend" and CNN actually goes with that. Stop salivating, take a breath, and read.

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Posted 16 February 2017 - 07:29 PM

Did I say that? That would be pretty stupid. That's your thing. Im pointing out the source of the quote is "a friend" and CNN actually goes with that. Stop salivating, take a breath, and read.

you've had another rough week, Ross.
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Posted 16 February 2017 - 07:36 PM

you've had another rough week, Ross.


Sure. And who's Ross?

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Posted 16 February 2017 - 08:47 PM

What happened was that the deep state globalists are attempting a coup of this administration through the constant drone of their aligned media outlets (CIA - Washington Post, CNN,   State Dep't. - NY Times).  If Flynn, a member of the incoming administration, spoke to a Russian diplomat about sanctions or the Russian response to those sanctions, it seems entirely responsible to me to do so.  Now the deep state has to bolster its story with Manafort.  The Steele dossier was complete hogwash and everyone knows it, except to the extent you don't like this President and his Nationalist and anti-globalist policies.  Then it becomes another piece in a vague and shadowy smear campaign tied to the eternal boogeyman that is Russia.  Which, not ironically, seems to mimic completely Soviet political smear campaigns of the not too distant past.

 

Meanwhile, the U.S. arms Jihadis waging war on an innocent Syrian population, while US politicians pose for pictures with these mass murderers.  Russia opposed and continues to oppose them with direct force and stifled their plans.  Even before this the US supported a coup in the Ukraine, which Russia to large extent countered.  Russia, for opposing US globalist ambitions, is enemy No. 1.

 

If Trump is to implement his version of gov't., he has to get rid of all the holdover elements of the CIA, FBI and State Dep't., which he probably can't do immediately because it will screw up ongoing overt and covert ops. and compromise operatives.

 

Good to see you be in the know and post this.  I wish more people could realize all of this.  TRUTH!



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Posted 16 February 2017 - 08:50 PM

 
Good to see you be in the know and post this.  I wish more people could realize all of this.  TRUTH!

Except it's not truth. You all are seriously living in a complete alternate reality..

Hell...even Trump admitted the damn leaks were real...

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Posted 16 February 2017 - 09:00 PM

Except it's not truth. You all are seriously living in a complete alternate reality..

Hell...even Trump admitted the damn leaks were real...

 

Not even talking about that.  Read all of what he wrote again and try to see the big picture.  Our Country under Obama had an agenda not in the best interest of the United States, armed Jihidists in Syria who killed Syrians.  This caused the entire Refugee exodus from Syria.  It was caused by the UNITED STATES.  I was relieved when Russia and Assad won.  The United States was the bad guys, not Russia, not Assad.

 

READ about the DEEP STATE.

 

Trump sees this and will do his damn best to end it and get the corrupt influence out of Washington as much as he possibly can, at least I hope he does.



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Posted 16 February 2017 - 09:02 PM

 
Not even talking about that.  Read all of what he wrote again and try to see the big picture.  Our Country under Obama had an agenda not in the best interest of the United States, armed Jihidists in Syria who killed Syrians.  This caused the entire Refugee exodus from Syria.  It was caused by the UNITED STATES.  I was relieved when Russia and Assad won.  The United States was the bad guys, not Russia, not Assad.
 
Trump see this and will do his damn best to end it and get the corrupt influence out of Washington as much as he possibly can.


We have armed insurgents for years under many different administrations. I'd agree that it's sucks and typically comes back to bite us in the ass.
But claiming Russia isn't the bad guys...they aren't doing crap about ISIS. Corruptintel...BS...especially in comparison with the Trump admin.

Most of his post was complete crap.

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Posted 16 February 2017 - 09:14 PM

Well, Flynn's goose is cooked now. You can debate whether or not you agree with the Logan Act. You can try to diminish a (at the time) 'civilian' undermining a sitting President,'s sanctions and, apparently, you can blame the global illuminatti for Trump being a raving shiit-show of a human being.  (I mean seriously, who TALKS like he does?)

 

However, Breaking news is that Flynn is now caught lying to the Feebs.- When confronted by the FBI told them he didn't talk about sanctions) Yet, he should have known that they had actual TRANSCRIPTS of the conversations.  - And those conversations say he did exactly that. 

 

That's called lying to the FBI  - and it's a federal crime. And in this case, a damn sticky one to try and get out of. 

 

Ironic that the guy saying "lock her up" for HRC lying to the Feebs  - is likely going to be the guy getting locked up. Now, the only question is, will he roll over on his boss?  

 

Stay tuned. 

 

The Deep Space Globalists??  Oh, good Lord.  :doh:  :doh:


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#111 NewbieJr

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Posted 16 February 2017 - 09:17 PM

Layers of the onion.
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Posted 16 February 2017 - 10:42 PM

Well, Flynn's goose is cooked now. [rest of post]

No it's not. 

Trump's DOJ would have to prosecute him. There's a better chance of Sho Nuff and Drobeski taking in a movie together and splitting the popcorn down the middle


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Posted 17 February 2017 - 08:54 AM

Robert Harwood has TURNED DOWN Donald Trump's offer to be National Security Advisor.

Ouch!!! The hits keep coming. Worst first month evah!


Quit being so dramatic, William Harrison had the worst ever, no matter how many rats jump off the boat