Michael Sam will not play a down of NFL football.

[stonewall 647]

Lotta homophobe accusations being thrown around here. Yes, there are, unfortunately, many people who express and exhibit unprovoked hatred towards those of a different sexual orientation. This is uncalled for and ridiculous......often stemming from ones own insecurities and/or ingrained teachings during the formative years.

 

However, the term is overused.....and perhaps in this thread. Believing that homosexual activity/lifestyle is immoral form a Scriptural/moral perspective does not necessarily a homophobe make. One can hold this view and harbor no animosity or ill-will towards the individuals involved in this activity (ie - love the sinner/hate the sin). Preferring that one, particularly who is (or will be) a high-profile athlete and therefore a role model to many impressionable youths, not advertently or inadvertently influence impressionable minds with a lifestyle you personally feel is morally detrimental to an individual and to a nation by keeping his sexual preferences to himself and not being exalted as a hero....is a far cry from a homophobic.

 

Many who are labeled with this derisive and undeserved term would feel the same way about a man who entered the league as an avowed gangsta or outspoken womanizer........would it be appropriate to call the latter a heterophobe? Just because one disagrees with anothers personal choices on moral grounds does not of necessity mean that they view themselves as better, or consider the other to be any less human than themselves.

[Cruzer 1,992]

You are in to girls so of course you don't think anyone would want to look at a guy. You are straight. What if you were not? Sorry, what categorizes men as gay is if they are attracted to men period. That is a fact! For you to think that a gay guy would ignore those naked men around him is naive.

For you to think a gay man would explode in a rage of uncontrolable homosexual behavior is ignorant. Again, male athletes have been exposed to female reporters in their locker rooms for years w/out incident. If the power of sex is so overwhelming - why hasn't a female reporter been raped or molested yet?

[murf74 461]

For you to think a gay man would explode in a rage of uncontrolable homosexual behavior is ignorant. Again, male athletes have been exposed to female reporters in their locker rooms for years w/out incident. If the power of sex is so overwhelming - why hasn't a female reporter been raped or molested yet?

Who said rape anything about rape?

[Cruzer 1,992]

Who said rape anything about rape?

It goes to the point of controlable/uncontrolable sexual urges and desires. All the heterosexual male football players would be just as safe as any of the female reporters running around while they are naked.

[murf74 461]

It goes to the point of controlable/uncontrolable sexual urges and desires. All the heterosexual male football players would be just as safe as any of the female reporters running around while they are naked.

 

Who said anything about safety?

[Cruzer 1,992]

 

Who said anything about safety?

If one is not concerned with rape, molestation, or overall general safety - then what would one be afraid of?

[murf74 461]

If one is not concerned with rape, molestation, or overall general safety - then what would one be afraid of?

Who said anything about anyone being afraid?

[Sho Nuff 719]

Other than the media circus...its pretty much nothing.

Several reporters have come out talking about there being gay players in several locker rooms over the years with no real backlash from it.

Its there...most know how to deal with it better than most do in this thread and from what Ive seen and read and heard by fans.

[Jeff Garcia 8]

Sigh. The whole thing is just stupid. Who cares if you're gay? What are you proving by revealing your sexuality? That you get fame because you're the first to do it? What does it have to do with playing the game? I agree with the OP it's just a unnecessary distraction and some people are really getting fed up with hearing how gay people are heroes for coming out. It's like a bitter pill you have to stomach every time you hear about it, which is why someone like Sam will be heckled and won't have any peace going forward. Yeah he stated he had the support of his college brethren but he's in for a rude awakening, you're not in Kansas anymore Dorothy.

 

I fully agree.

[robocardz 14]

Agreed Murf !!

 

I still dont understand the correlation of a female reporter fully dressed and a closed locker room with naked men taking showers on a daily basis ... lol

 

How can you compare ?

 

I am sure that some NFL teams have dealt with it. I highly doubt that % is what was posted earlier on a response that was trying to prove the posters point.

 

I played football in High School AND College. I can honesty say I dont think I ever played FB with a gay teammate. If I Did, it was handled in the right way.... I never knew about it. For the posters who say its just football and axt like all there is a 3-4 hour product you watch on TV on Sunday are f 'ing clueless !!

 

If you think this only has to do with locker room reporters of opposite sex.... you are f 'ing clueless.

 

If you dont think, that the circus that will follow this wont increase tension on a team, you are f 'ing clueless.

 

Im not taking our societys "fairness " initiative and saying its right or wrong.... Im just giving my opinion of a guy who played and knows theres a lot more involved than what is being thrown out in the media....

 

RB

[tanatastic 2,061]

For you to think a gay man would explode in a rage of uncontrolable homosexual behavior is ignorant. Again, male athletes have been exposed to female reporters in their locker rooms for years w/out incident. If the power of sex is so overwhelming - why hasn't a female reporter been raped or molested yet?

It has nothing to do with rape. You think as soon as those hot reporters leave the lockerroom that the whole place doesnt erupt in catcalls and lude talk about her? Of course it does, thats just how dudes are! No one is saying Sam will rape someone lol or evn do anything even remotely innapropriate. But he will prob get arroused, he will look, he will feel sexual urges that happens when someone sees someone who they are attracted to. Other players know this and it freaks them the hell out.

[ralphster 274]

Lol @ everyone in this thread fronting the 'don't look at MY d!ck' perspective. As if a professional who is well compensated to play a game is suddenly going to start sh!tting where they eat. Good for him at getting out in front of it before it blew up. The world will be a better place when stuff like this is a non issue.

[Frozenbeernuts 1,652]

It has nothing to do with rape. You think as soon as those hot reporters leave the lockerroom that the whole place doesnt erupt in catcalls and lude talk about her? Of course it does, thats just how dudes are! No one is saying Sam will rape someone lol or evn do anything even remotely innapropriate. But he will prob get arroused, he will look, he will feel sexual urges that happens when someone sees someone who they are attracted to. Other players know this and it freaks them the hell out.

Does this happen when you stare at yourself naked in the mirror?

[murf74 461]

Lol @ everyone in this thread fronting the 'don't look at MY d!ck' perspective. As if a professional who is well compensated to play a game is suddenly going to start sh!tting where they eat. Good for him at getting out in front of it before it blew up. The world will be a better place when stuff like this is a non issue.

I remember when everyone made fun of Kordell Stewart when there was rumors swirling. Now guys are pretending it's a badge of honor.

 

You like when guys look at you naked we get it

[tanatastic 2,061]

Does this happen when you stare at yourself naked in the mirror?

not sure if serious..

 

If serious: Um, no that doesnt make any sense. U are trying to equate my attraction to myself to a gay mans perception of another man wich is silly. they are attracted to men, period. Its like me in a victoria secret locker room, id be elated.

 

If not serious: Yes I get aroused when I look at myself in the mirror. i frequently make love to myself.

 

Of course he wont start anything funny or make a scene in the lockerroom, he will act completely normal like any other player would. If he didnt tell everyone he was gay he could have easily slid under the radar, got drafted in the 4th or 5th round and be happy. Now he wont play a single down and will have to get paid off of morning talk show interviews.

[the spanker 28]

I am going to make a prediction.

 

In the future there are going to be people coming out of the closet who say they are promiscuous, clamoring they are discriminated against and eventually the public will say the same thing--that everyone needs to just shut up and accept them for who they are.

 

Then eventually there will be others who say, well then, what's wrong with us folks who want to live a polyamorous lifestyle? You can't discriminate against us. We want the same the same rights the heterosexuals, gays and promiscuous folks are getting!

 

It will never stop.

[GobbleDog 816]

 

I am going to make a prediction.

 

In the future there are going to be people coming out of the closet who say they are promiscuous, clamoring they are discriminated against and eventually the public will say the same thing--that everyone needs to just shut up and accept them for who they are.

 

Then eventually there will be others who say, well then, what's wrong with us folks who want to live a polyamorous lifestyle? You can't discriminate against us. We want the same the same rights the heterosexuals, gays and promiscuous folks are getting!

 

It will never stop.

 

 

By that logic, multi-racial marriages never should have been legalized. Give an inch and then anything goes.

[GobbleDog 816]

Wow equating heterosexual interracial marriage to gays?

 

Brilliant analogy (sarcasm)

 

 

You liberals are just stupid no other way to put it

 

The same arguments were made with regard to inter-racial marriage many years ago (probably by your relatives juding from your articulate post). "It ain't natural", "what's next if we allow that?", etc.

 

The logic of disallowing gay marriage because it might lead to something else - like polygamy or marrying relatives, or whatever, is ridiculous. Which was the post I was addressing.

[Raider 84 29]

He should have waitedto come out. I think this decision will untimately hit him in the wallet. Gay or not, I think he slips in the draft. Sorry to say it, but it's true.

[the spanker 28]

 

The same arguments were made with regard to inter-racial marriage many years ago (probably by your relatives juding from your articulate post). "It ain't natural", "what's next if we allow that?", etc.

 

The logic of disallowing gay marriage because it might lead to something else - like polygamy or marrying relatives, or whatever, is ridiculous. Which was the post I was addressing.

 

 

It might lead to something else? These things already exist, the difference is they are not legal. The difference is no one is coming out saying I'm promiscuous and want 3 or 4 partners in marriage with full federal benefits....at least not yet.

 

Tell me why isn't polygamy legalized now in the U.S.?

 

Ridiculous you say?

 

Is it so far-fetched the possibility of such an occurrence becoming reality in the future?

[phillygrrl08 139]

He came out publicly to beat an SI story that was going to run outing him. He came out on his own terms.

 

He was also getting ready for the onslaught of questions about girlfriends, etc, that all players are asked at the combine.

 

Don't think for a second that he didn't consider everything that comes along with coming out before the draft--draft value, being passed over, having his personal life discussed.

 

He got ahead of the story. The worst is over. I predict he has a productive, prosperous, and welcome career in the NFL.

[murf74 461]

 

The same arguments were made with regard to inter-racial marriage many years ago (probably by your relatives juding from your articulate post). "It ain't natural", "what's next if we allow that?", etc.

 

The logic of disallowing gay marriage because it might lead to something else - like polygamy or marrying relatives, or whatever, is ridiculous. Which was the post I was addressing.

Man and woman of different races have been and always will been natural. Just not common back in time. Adam and Steve is not never has been or never will be normal

[GobbleDog 816]

Adam and Steve is not never has been or never will be normal

 

This is where I lose the liberals. I agree - gay ain't natural. It's a DNA flaw and/or lifestyle choice. Regardless, I support legalized gay marriage. On the flip side, I don't support adoptions by gay couples. I need a lifetime of scientific evidence that it's not psychologically harmful to kids before I'd go along with that (which I believe it is).

 

As for Michael Sam getting drafted in the NFL... I honestly hope he doesn't. Openly gay dudes in football isn't something I want to see in my lifetime. But if he does, I hope it's the Patriots.

[uwmalcolm 73]

 

This is where I lose the liberals. I agree - gay ain't natural. It's a DNA flaw and/or lifestyle choice. Regardless, I support legalized gay marriage. On the flip side, I don't support adoptions by gay couples. I need a lifetime of scientific evidence that it's not psychologically harmful to kids before I'd go along with that (which I believe it is).

 

As for Michael Sam getting drafted in the NFL... I honestly hope he doesn't. Openly gay dudes in football isn't something I want to see in my lifetime. But if he does, I hope it's the Patriots.

So you support gay marriage but don't want gay guys in the NFL. Little bit conflicted there. Scared you'll get aroused watching a game or something?

[murf74 461]

So you support gay marriage but don't want gay guys in the NFL. Little bit conflicted there. Scared you'll get aroused watching a game or something?

According to some guys around here he would be a hero if he did.

[MDC 5,890]

If Sam's teammates don't care that he's gay what's the problem? Seems like its stressing out the fans moreso than the actual players.

[murf74 461]

If Sam's teammates don't care that he's gay what's the problem? Seems like its stressing out the fans moreso than the actual players.

 

There will never be a teammate current or future that comes out publicly and announces it bothers him. Never.

 

It's the new taboo! You have seen what happens to those who come out pro family/Christian/traditional. It ruins most careers.

 

They are forced to see an exorcist, take out billboards, go on all the talk shows to say they are sorry, and lose all endorsements. All in the name of political correctness. You are only allowed to speak certain personal beliefs.

[MDC 5,890]

 

There will never be a teammate current or future that comes out publicly and announces it bothers him. Never.

 

It's the new taboo! You have seen what happens to those who come out pro family/Christian/traditional. It ruins most careers.

 

They are forced to see an exorcist, take out billboards, go on all the talk shows to say they are sorry, and lose all endorsements. All in the name of political correctness. You are only allowed to speak certain personal beliefs.

Should you be allowed to tell a coworker that you think his lifestyle is unnatural and wrong in the workplace? Does this fly in any other industry?

[murf74 461]

Should you be allowed to tell a coworker that you think his lifestyle is unnatural and wrong in the workplace? Does this fly in any other industry?

No Shiit, you are the one stating all his teammates don't have a problem

 

 

Glad you see it my way as well, nobody would state it if they did have a problem

 

 

Geeze has everyone lost all common sense and reading comprehension

[MDC 5,890]

No Shiit, you are the one stating all his teammates don't have a problem

 

 

Glad you see it my way as well, nobody would state it if they did have a problem

 

 

Geeze has everyone lost all common sense and reading comprehension

I didn't agree with you, for the vast majority of players I think it's a non issue. And the rest of them can STFU and do their job just like every other employee everywhere.

[murf74 461]

I didn't agree with you, for the vast majority of players I think it's a non issue. And the rest of them can STFU and do their job just like every other employee everywhere.

You agreed with me that nobody will speak up publicly in the NFL or anywhere else in the world. You are not allowed to be pro life / pro traditional marriage etc. and express that in the media. That doesn't mean everyone is welcoming Samantha

[the spanker 28]

He came out publicly to beat an SI story that was going to run outing him. He came out on his own terms.

 

He was also getting ready for the onslaught of questions about girlfriends, etc, that all players are asked at the combine.

 

Don't think for a second that he didn't consider everything that comes along with coming out before the draft--draft value, being passed over, having his personal life discussed.

 

He got ahead of the story. The worst is over. I predict he has a productive, prosperous, and welcome career in the NFL.

 

 

All players are asked about girlfriends really? Who cares about who you're dating or seeing? How is it relevant to playing football?

[the spanker 28]

You agreed with me that nobody will speak up publicly in the NFL or anywhere else in the world. You are not allowed to be pro life / pro traditional marriage etc. and express that in the media. That doesn't mean everyone is welcoming Samantha

 

Absolutely on the money. And for those who do speak up they have to apologize afterwards. And I would bet 3/4 of those apologies are not sincere.

[MDC 5,890]

You agreed with me that nobody will speak up publicly in the NFL or anywhere else in the world. You are not allowed to be pro life / pro traditional marriage etc. and express that in the media. That doesn't mean everyone is welcoming Samantha

Well sort of. I don't think this is nearly as big an issue in the locker room as you make it out to be. I'm sure there are some players who have an issue with it but like every other line of work you don't have to approve of your colleagues' lifestyle, you just have to tolerate it. If I don't like Christians I can't walk around telling people that publicly without my employer getting pissed too.

 

Just because you may be religious or have moral issues doesn't mean you get a while other set of rules on who you will or won't work with and how you treat them.

[murf74 461]

Well sort of. I don't think this is nearly as big an issue in the locker room as you make it out to be. I'm sure there are some players who have an issue with it but like every other line of work you don't have to approve of your colleagues' lifestyle, you just have to tolerate it. If I don't like Christians I can't walk around telling people that publicly without my employer getting pissed too.

 

Just because you may be religious or have moral issues doesn't mean you get a while other set of rules on who you will or won't work with and how you treat them.

Damn morals and religion. People hate Christians all the time but there is never an apology that flows. The gay issue is not tolerated whatsoever.

 

Btw I am not forced to shower or dress with my colleagues. Why are dudes not creeped out by that? Man times have changed. I blame Obama

[MDC 5,890]

Damn morals and religion. People hate Christians all the time but there is never an apology that flows. The gay issue is not tolerated whatsoever.

 

Btw I am not forced to shower or dress with my colleagues. Why are dudes not creeped out by that? Man times have changed. I blame Obama

I don't know of any line of work where it's seriously okay to walk around hating on Christians. If my coworker mentions his deep religious beliefs and I turn to him and say that not only is their no God but I think there's something wrong with him for even falling or such nonsense, I am very likely to get a call from HR. what I do is keep my nose down and finish my job just like everybody else.

 

I don't know about you but when I change at the gym I face my wiener to the lockers and stay naked as little as possible. It's pretty likely at some point a gay dude checked out my ass but since I'm not making a spectacle of myself and I'm secure in my heterosexuality it's not an issue.

 

Why are you so worried about some dude you'll never meet checking out your weenus?

[murf74 461]

I don't know of any line of work where it's seriously okay to walk around hating on Christians. If my coworker mentions his deep religious beliefs and I turn to him and say that not only is their no God but I think there's something wrong with him for even falling or such nonsense, I am very likely to get a call from HR. what I do is keep my nose down and finish my job just like everybody else.

 

I don't know about you but when I change at the gym I face my wiener to the lockers and stay naked as little as possible. It's pretty likely at some point a gay dude checked out my ass but since I'm not making a spectacle of myself and I'm secure in my heterosexuality it's not an issue.

 

Why are you so worried about some dude you'll never meet checking out your weenus?

Your an atheist , that explains a lot

 

Good luck with that

[smashmouths@blf 33]

Lotta homophobe accusations being thrown around here. Yes, there are, unfortunately, many people who express and exhibit unprovoked hatred towards those of a different sexual orientation. This is uncalled for and ridiculous......often stemming from ones own insecurities and/or ingrained teachings during the formative years.

 

However, the term is overused.....and perhaps in this thread. Believing that homosexual activity/lifestyle is immoral form a Scriptural/moral perspective does not necessarily a homophobe make. One can hold this view and harbor no animosity or ill-will towards the individuals involved in this activity (ie - love the sinner/hate the sin). Preferring that one, particularly who is (or will be) a high-profile athlete and therefore a role model to many impressionable youths, not advertently or inadvertently influence impressionable minds with a lifestyle you personally feel is morally detrimental to an individual and to a nation by keeping his sexual preferences to himself and not being exalted as a hero....is a far cry from a homophobic.

 

Many who are labeled with this derisive and undeserved term would feel the same way about a man who entered the league as an avowed gangsta or outspoken womanizer........would it be appropriate to call the latter a heterophobe? Just because one disagrees with anothers personal choices on moral grounds does not of necessity mean that they view themselves as better, or consider the other to be any less human than themselves.

Perfectly stated. Surprised some of these idiots haven't called you a bigot despite the content of your post.

[MDC 5,890]

Your an atheist , that explains a lot

 

Good luck with that

I'll consider this your flag of surrender and call it a night.

[jerryskids 5,199]

The obvious things have been discussed so I'll throw out a different concern: Any team that signs him will go through a lot of sensitivity training, or at least I'm confident they will be required to do so. This is all time that they won't be practicing. Will they do this in addition to their allotted training time as per the CBA? If so, a lot of players won't be fans. If not, the coaches/office won't be.