Hawkeye21 1,848 Posted August 11, 2017 Ian RapoportVerified account @RapSheetMore CRAZINESS: The #Bills traded for CB EJ Gaines & the #Rams 2nd round pick for Sammy Watkins & the #Bills 6th rounder. 9:50 AM - 11 Aug 2017 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vikings4ever 496 Posted August 11, 2017 Well, that's surprising. Pretty good deal for the Bills, given that it seems unlikely they were going to keep Watkins long term. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tanatastic 2,061 Posted August 11, 2017 There goes any value Watkins had. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Matt Mueller 146 Posted August 11, 2017 Watkins I think takes a hit. Taylor was a great QB for him. Long term he will still be a FA at the end of the year right so he doesn't need to get stuck with Goff long term right? Helps Gurley. Helps JMatt Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mobb_deep 917 Posted August 11, 2017 So the Bills starting WR's are Anquan Boldin and Brandon Tate now? Are they trying to compete with the Jets for #1 overall pick in 2019? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tanatastic 2,061 Posted August 11, 2017 So the Bills starting WR's are Anquan Boldin and Brandon Tate now? Are they trying to compete with the Jets for #1 overall pick in 2019?J Matthews Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brutal Brutus 182 Posted August 11, 2017 There goes any value Watkins had. Always hurt, and now on the Rams? Sounds like a first rounder to me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray_T 587 Posted August 11, 2017 There goes any value Watkins had. Well, they are definitely trying to give Goff the tools to succeed. I guess we can downgrade Tyrod a bit and maybe upgrade Zay Jones. I dont think they would deal Watkins unless they felt Jones was the real deal. And this is the point in camp when these types of transactions start to happen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 3,302 Posted August 11, 2017 I gotta figure his value (already shaky) just took a hit. With the Bills you knew he *could* produce IF he managed to stay healthy. Now a total unknown on the Rams plus his issues with staying on the field. Yikes Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 3,302 Posted August 11, 2017 And yeah, pretty good trade for the Bills. Don't think they were getting that deal anywhere else Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray_T 587 Posted August 11, 2017 Well, they are definitely trying to give Goff the tools to succeed. I guess we can downgrade Tyrod a bit and maybe upgrade Zay Jones. I dont think they would deal Watkins unless they felt Jones was the real deal. And this is the point in camp when these types of transactions start to happen. never mind this post. Bills just acquired Jordan Matthews from the Eagles. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike FF Today 607 Posted August 11, 2017 Ohh my. As someone who just drafted Watkins in Round 3, this doesn't make me happy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brutal Brutus 182 Posted August 11, 2017 The only persons value that really changes for me is Watkins. He becomes almost DND. I'll never fully put someone as DND, but he'll have to come at a bargain. Tyrod's value is largely due to his running ability so maybe a slight downgrade, but he was without Watkins a lot so not much of a change.. Gurley may receive a slight bump up, but unless they find a QB that's somewhat consistent, his problem of facing a stacked box will remain the same. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mobb_deep 917 Posted August 11, 2017 J Matthews Oh nice. Missed that news. Just traded for him in a dynasty league. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cousinal111 57 Posted August 11, 2017 So the Bills starting WR's are Anquan Boldin and Brandon Tate now? Are they trying to compete with the Jets for #1 overall pick in 2019? Zay Jones should start. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MTSkiBum 1,593 Posted August 11, 2017 Zay Jones should start. I think the bills have confidence he can be their #1 wr. Mathews and Boldin will be 2/3. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mobb_deep 917 Posted August 11, 2017 I think the bills have confidence he can be their #1 wr. Mathews and Boldin will be 2/3. Aren't all 3 of them slot receivers though? I know Boldin played mostly slot in Detroit and Mathews has always played slot in Philly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shotsup 831 Posted August 11, 2017 The Buffalo Bills announced a shocking trade Friday, dealing wide receiver Sammy Watkins and a 2018 sixth-round draft pick to the Los Angeles Rams for cornerback E.J. Gaines and a 2018 second-round draft pick. Watkins was set to enter the final year of his contract after Buffalo declined to pick up the fifth-year option on his rookie deal. Buffalo traded up to select Watkins with the No. 4 overall pick in the 2014 NFL draft, and while he has been productive when healthy, he has struggled to stay on the field. Watkins was limited to eight games last season due to a foot injury, and he finished the campaign with 28 receptions for 430 yards and two touchdowns. His best year came in 2015 when he registered 60 catches for 1,047 yards and nine scores. Gaines is set to enter his fourth NFL season, but he too has struggled through injuries. The 2014 sixth-round pick out of Missouri missed all of 2015 with a foot injury and sat out five games last season. He started 10 of the 11 games he appeared in last season, registering 56 tackles and no interceptions. He has just two picks during his career. Like Watkins, Gaines is set to become a free agent next offseason. Buffalo wasn't done wheeling and dealing there, as it also announced a trade with the Philadelphia Eagles, sending cornerback Ronald Darby to Philly for wide receiver Jordan Matthews and a 2018 third-round pick. Matthews figures to replace Watkins as Buffalo's No. 1 receiver with second-round rookie Zay Jones and recently signed veteran Anquan Boldin lending support. As for Watkins, he will join another former Bills receiver in Robert Woods with the Rams, thus giving second-year quarterback Jared Goff a solid receiving corps when figuring slot receiver Tavon Austin into the Mix Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 3,566 Posted August 11, 2017 The only persons value that really changes for me is Watkins. He becomes almost DND. I'll never fully put someone as DND, but he'll have to come at a bargain. Tyrod's value is largely due to his running ability so maybe a slight downgrade, but he was without Watkins a lot so not much of a change.. Gurley may receive a slight bump up, but unless they find a QB that's somewhat consistent, his problem of facing a stacked box will remain the same. Kenny Britt put up respectable numbers last year Watkins is about 8x better than Britt, if anything this makes Watkins a bargain cause people might be scared off Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brutal Brutus 182 Posted August 11, 2017 Kenny Britt put up respectable numbers last year Watkins is about 8x better than Britt, if anything this makes Watkins a bargain cause people might be scared off Fair point. The injury history is still a major factor, but I guess if it lowers his price, it may make him a better value. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike FF Today 607 Posted August 11, 2017 Hers's what I just posted on our News page... Whoa. Given the moves this off-season, the Bills are focusing on the future which doesn't included their best receiver. This relocation isn't good news for Watkins fantasy value who now will be catching passes from Jared Goff who was below average in most QB passing categories last season. Perhaps a new offensive system under Sean McVay and a legitimate No.1 will push Goff in the right direction, but there are too many variables to continue valuing Watkins as a high-end WR2. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maulers1973 117 Posted August 11, 2017 The Bills won that trade!! lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Philo312 41 Posted August 11, 2017 Bills gonna roll with 3 slot receivers?? I can't see Matthews playing the X. Perhaps Zay is now the deep threat. He ran a 4.45. Bump Shady's value now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray_T 587 Posted August 11, 2017 well, one of my leagues starts 2 QB, and now I think I'll target Goff as my #3 QB. I think the price will be cheap, and he has a legit #1 Wr (even if he cant stay healthy) Keep in mind, in 2 QB leagues all starters and top backups are all rostered. He still wont be capable of much more than bye week or injury starts in this format unless he takes a step forward. but a healthy Watkins improves his chances of making that step forward (in my opinion) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 3,566 Posted August 11, 2017 lol, haven't even looked at the Rams depth charts til now, wouldn't touch Gurley even in the 4th find it funny the Rams starting WR's now are Sammy Watkins and Robert Woods Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 1,848 Posted August 11, 2017 lol, haven't even looked at the Rams depth charts til now, wouldn't touch Gurley even in the 4th find it funny the Rams starting WR's now are Sammy Watkins and Robert Woods I really think Gurley has a bounce back year and he's actually worth his APD this year. He's talented enough to be the best RB but he comes with risk because of the team he's on. His ADP is actually low enough to take on that risk I think. I'd much rather take him than Elliott right now. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thePRO 78 Posted August 11, 2017 Man Watkins caught the first 3 passes from Taylor yesterday. They looked good. Was mad when someone snagged up Watkins before I could get him yesterday! I'm now super happy he did!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brutal Brutus 182 Posted August 11, 2017 I really think Gurley has a bounce back year and he's actually worth his APD this year. He's talented enough to be the best RB but he comes with risk because of the team he's on. His ADP is actually low enough to take on that risk I think. I'd much rather take him than Elliott right now. Agreed. Any RB that is in line to get 300 touches, if healthy, is worth a pick after the top WR are off the board. Also, the new coaching staff seems to want to try and get Gurley the ball in different ways this year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Djgb13 2,338 Posted August 11, 2017 How far down does this push Watkins in fantasy? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,107 Posted August 11, 2017 I really think Gurley has a bounce back year and he's actually worth his APD this year. He's talented enough to be the best RB but he comes with risk because of the team he's on. His ADP is actually low enough to take on that risk I think. I'd much rather take him than Elliott right now. I'm hoping he moves up in ADP. I don't think he's any good... regardless of who's around him. I'd still take Elliott over him. Elliott in 10 games will probably still outscore Gurley in 16. Heck, last year - by average - he would have! Elliott averaged 20.46 points per game last year. At 10 games, that's 204.6... Gurley had 200.2 in all 16. Seriously, I get his team around him isn't good... but he's just as bad. They need to move on from him after this season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 1,848 Posted August 11, 2017 I'm hoping he moves up in ADP. I don't think he's any good... regardless of who's around him. I'd still take Elliott over him. Elliott in 10 games will probably still outscore Gurley in 16. Heck, last year - by average - he would have! Elliott averaged 20.46 points per game last year. At 10 games, that's 204.6... Gurley had 200.2 in all 16. Seriously, I get his team around him isn't good... but he's just as bad. They need to move on from him after this season. You seriously just think he's a bad RB? Interesting. Not sure I can agree with that but I'll have a better idea of what he is after this season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,107 Posted August 11, 2017 You seriously just think he's a bad RB? Interesting. Not sure I can agree with that but I'll have a better idea of what he is after this season. Yeah, I think he stinks. He's a completely different style runner now than what he was in college. After he tore his ACL, he has 0 burst/acceleration/speed. He can't out run anyone. After his first 4 games of 100 yards (I believe it was games 2 through 5), he has what, 1 game with 100 yards? That's a lot of games under 100. Heck, go watch a highlight tape of his. Go look at all the "big runs" of over 20 yards. It'll take you 30 seconds... because there's only 2. If you go back to 2 years ago, there's more... like 10, but every one of them came in a 100 yard game. So, in 5 of his games he was able to break off a 20 yard run, but 0 in the other 8. As a point of comparison, over the last 2 years, Latavius Murray has 14 runs over 20 yards, and only 3 of them came in 100 yard games, so it's not like he was just beating up on a couple opponents, like Gurley. He doesn't make people miss. He can't hit holes fast enough. When he gets outside, he can't turn the corner and break it. He's a really bad RB with a lot of hype. He's probably the most over rated player in the NFL. I will be utterly shocked if he breaks 1,000 yards this season... heck, I don't think he'll get 900. I wouldn't even be surprised if he's under 800. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maulers1973 117 Posted August 11, 2017 Yeah, I think he stinks. He's a completely different style runner now than what he was in college. After he tore his ACL, he has 0 burst/acceleration/speed. He can't out run anyone. After his first 4 games of 100 yards (I believe it was games 2 through 5), he has what, 1 game with 100 yards? That's a lot of games under 100. Heck, go watch a highlight tape of his. Go look at all the "big runs" of over 20 yards. It'll take you 30 seconds... because there's only 2. If you go back to 2 years ago, there's more... like 10, but every one of them came in a 100 yard game. So, in 5 of his games he was able to break off a 20 yard run, but 0 in the other 8. As a point of comparison, over the last 2 years, Latavius Murray has 14 runs over 20 yards, and only 3 of them came in 100 yard games, so it's not like he was just beating up on a couple opponents, like Gurley. He doesn't make people miss. He can't hit holes fast enough. When he gets outside, he can't turn the corner and break it. He's a really bad RB with a lot of hype. He's probably the most over rated player in the NFL. I will be utterly shocked if he breaks 1,000 yards this season... heck, I don't think he'll get 900. I wouldn't even be surprised if he's under 800. Ahem, Fisher is an archaic dope with the offensive mind of a pop warner coach. Did you see what Sean McVay did with Fat Rob? That was with a mediocre offensive line. Gurley is going to beast early and often so long as he stays healthy. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 1,848 Posted August 11, 2017 Yeah, I think he stinks. He's a completely different style runner now than what he was in college. After he tore his ACL, he has 0 burst/acceleration/speed. He can't out run anyone. After his first 4 games of 100 yards (I believe it was games 2 through 5), he has what, 1 game with 100 yards? That's a lot of games under 100. Heck, go watch a highlight tape of his. Go look at all the "big runs" of over 20 yards. It'll take you 30 seconds... because there's only 2. If you go back to 2 years ago, there's more... like 10, but every one of them came in a 100 yard game. So, in 5 of his games he was able to break off a 20 yard run, but 0 in the other 8. As a point of comparison, over the last 2 years, Latavius Murray has 14 runs over 20 yards, and only 3 of them came in 100 yard games, so it's not like he was just beating up on a couple opponents, like Gurley. He doesn't make people miss. He can't hit holes fast enough. When he gets outside, he can't turn the corner and break it. He's a really bad RB with a lot of hype. He's probably the most over rated player in the NFL. I will be utterly shocked if he breaks 1,000 yards this season... heck, I don't think he'll get 900. I wouldn't even be surprised if he's under 800. LOL He's not that bad. Just with his workload alone he'll be around 900 yards. All he has to do is improve his yards per carry by .5 and he'll have 1,000 yards. He's also good for around 30 catches. I'd be happy to have him as my RB2. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,107 Posted August 11, 2017 By all means, you guys have my blessing, take him... he's all yours. Polish a turd any way you like... but it's still a turd. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kent 228 Posted August 11, 2017 I really think Gurley has a bounce back year and he's actually worth his APD this year. He's talented enough to be the best RB but he comes with risk because of the team he's on. His ADP is actually low enough to take on that risk I think. I'd much rather take him than Elliott right now. Goff kills Gurley. Forget it. It's over. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maulers1973 117 Posted August 11, 2017 Anyone want to take a bet. Loser has to use a humiliating picture as av for a full year. Gurley gets 1000 + yards rushing this year. (injury clause cant miss more than 3 games or bet is off) Any takers? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray_T 587 Posted August 11, 2017 Ahem, Fisher is an archaic dope with the offensive mind of a pop warner coach. Did you see what Sean McVay did with Fat Rob? That was with a mediocre offensive line. Gurley is going to beast early and often so long as he stays healthy. are you suggesting that the line here is better? Cuz I dont think it is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maulers1973 117 Posted August 11, 2017 Ok, I didn't realize that PFF had Redskins offensive line ranked as the 7th best unit for 2016. That's actually pretty good. The Rams offensive line this year probably won't be that good, but they won't be 27th like they were last year. They signed Whitworth who graded as the 2nd best overall LT. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ROCKFORD 134 Posted August 11, 2017 drop kupp. maybe i can get him in the 3rd Share this post Link to post Share on other sites