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#121 patweisers44

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Posted 06 December 2017 - 01:41 PM

 

Federal > State whats the deal here really? The only thing that could've made this more tricky is if this was bakery that sold marijuana infused products.  :doublethumbsup:

Another dumb question here.  Would that make the Colorado law unconstitutional?


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#122 Hardcore troubadour

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Posted 06 December 2017 - 01:47 PM

None of those things discriminate against a protected class.


True, but they are an accomidation for religious beliefs. I think that's what this baker wants as well

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Posted 06 December 2017 - 01:50 PM

True, but they are an accomidation for religious beliefs. I think that's what this baker wants as well


Im not a lawyer but I am guessing the mans right to reasonable accommodation of his religious beliefs does not extend to discriminating against a protected class. So thats the difference.
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Posted 06 December 2017 - 01:53 PM

Im not a lawyer but I am guessing the mans right to reasonable accommodation of his religious beliefs does not extend to discriminating against a protected class. So thats the difference.


I don't think he refused to sell them a cake. He refused to do what they asked to the cake. He would be wrong to refuse them a cake. He would be right to refuse to decorate it in a way that goes against his stupid religious beliefs. That's how I see it.

#125 Filthy Fernadez

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Posted 06 December 2017 - 01:57 PM

He should have made it then charged them out the a$$ for it.

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Posted 06 December 2017 - 01:59 PM

I don't think he refused to sell them a cake. He refused to do what they asked to the cake. He would be wrong to refuse them a cake. He would be right to refuse to decorate it in a way that goes against his stupid religious beliefs. That's how I see it.


Neither of us is a lawyer but it seems to me if he refused to decorate the cake in the same way he would for a straight couple then we are just splitting hairs here.
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#127 jerryskids

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Posted 06 December 2017 - 02:27 PM

He should have made it then charged them out the a$$ for it.

 

But that isn't how these things work.  99+ % of the bakers would have done something like you described, if they were offended by the ghey wedding.  It takes two stubborn ideological sides to create this conflict who are willing to fight to the end, and voila$#@!  we have a SCOTUS case.  :dunno:


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Posted 06 December 2017 - 02:31 PM

 

But that isn't how these things work.  99+ % of the bakers would have done something like you described, if they were offended by the ghey wedding.  It takes two stubborn ideological sides to create this conflict who are willing to fight to the end, and voila$#@!  we have a SCOTUS case.  :dunno:

 

You think this would have turned out differently if he jacked up the price because they were ghey? 


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Posted 06 December 2017 - 02:43 PM

 

You think this would have turned out differently if he jacked up the price because they were ghey? 

 

Well, to be seemingly a wordsmither, I said "something like" specifically because I'm not sure the example of jacking up the price is the best one.  I suspect it depends in part on things like the baker's history of accommodating custom requests for little/no charge.  But I think I get your point, which is that the engaged couple may have had an agenda and would have driven them to this point regardless of the attempts of the baker to extricate himself from selling to them.  :thumbsup:


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#130 Filthy Fernadez

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Posted 06 December 2017 - 02:44 PM

 
But that isn't how these things work.  99+ % of the bakers would have done something like you described, if they were offended by the ghey wedding.  It takes two stubborn ideological sides to create this conflict who are willing to fight to the end, and voila$#@!  we have a SCOTUS case.  :dunno:


Reread it jerry....I was being perverted.

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#131 fandandy

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Posted 06 December 2017 - 03:02 PM

Reread it jerry....I was being perverted.

Shoulda went with up the ass.



#132 jerryskids

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Posted 06 December 2017 - 03:08 PM

Reread it jerry....I was being perverted.

 

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