NFL has a double-standard against domestic violence.

[$epphori$ 118]

If that was a Patriots player the league, people here would be in an uproar. But since its the Giants, and they knowingly re-signed this piece of $hit they get a slide. If I was her, I would sue the Giants and the NFL for continuing to enable Brown and put her life in danger. This is disgusting. But I know a little air let out of the football is a game-changer, just ask Aaron Rodgers

[Kent 228]

After the verdict didn't the NFL reopen their investigation and the Giants have essentially suspended him.

[$epphori$ 118]

After the verdict didn't the NFL reopen their investigation and the Giants have essentially suspended him.

only after they couldnt hide this anymore. I heard about this months ago right around middle of training camp so of course the NFL knew then. The question for the NFL is why wasnt this guy suspended the 6 games for domestic violence like the rule they made says? This was an attempt to hide the truth or minimize the action. There is no way to defend the Giants organization or the NFL.

[jimaveli 119]

There's no video like there was with Raymond. That matters more than it should.

 

Of course, everyone (in font 50) should care more when people anywhere (font 100) are suffering but that's not how the average person works.

 

So leagues like the NFL do what they do sometimes: they make tone deaf decisions. Eventually/occasionally they get caught not making the best call on a guy like this and folks are ready to fire everyone and boycott stuff. But don't kneel or protest any of this cuz that's super unpatriotic depending on who you ask!

 

As for Brown, he's done and any further details on his activity over the years will make it even more certain. Hopefully, the woman/women he's hurt don't end up as topics of attention, scrutiny and/or shaming. If you know anyone in those situations, you know how terrible it can be on its own without everyone's hot takes.

 

Tldr: lack of video generally leads to lackluster attention to DV. Still, brown is likely out forever. Yes, the NFL and us as a whole screwed up again. But keep watching and enjoying games cuz Brown is not football. Support/try to understand people who appear to be suffering instead of judging them or getting swept up in diversion and hot takes. Have a good weekend. Be good to folks you come into contact with.

[$epphori$ 118]

There's no video like there was with Raymond. That matters more than it should.

 

Of course, everyone (in font 50) should care more when people anywhere (font 100) are suffering but that's not how the average person works.

 

So leagues like the NFL do what they do sometimes: they make tone deaf decisions. Eventually/occasionally they get caught not making the best call on a guy like this and folks are ready to fire everyone and boycott stuff. But don't kneel or protest any of this cuz that's super unpatriotic depending on who you ask!

 

As for Brown, he's done and any further details on his activity over the years will make it even more certain. Hopefully, the woman/women he's hurt don't end up as topics of attention, scrutiny and/or shaming. If you know anyone in those situations, you know how terrible it can be on its own without everyone's hot takes.

 

Tldr: lack of video generally leads to lackluster attention to DV. Still, brown is likely out forever. Yes, the NFL and us as a whole screwed up again. But keep watching and enjoying games cuz Brown is not football. Support/try to understand people who appear to be suffering instead of judging them or getting swept up in diversion and hot takes. Have a good weekend. Be good to folks you come into contact with.

 

So its safe to say the NFL cares more about a football and the amount of air in it than one of their employees beating his wife repeatedly? I love how they view it...the NFL made a deaf decision What gets me is what does the NFL or the Giants organization have to gain by trying to turn a blind eye to this? Why? Its not like Brown was a star(Not that it matters, but unfortunately it does) Its almost as if there is some other part that is being hid. And the NFL doesnt want to end up with egg on their face.

[Gipaldo 8]

I've read a little on the topic and thought I read something that when it happened, the police wouldn't release any info to the NFL because it was still a pending, or ongoing investigation. Also, I don't believe his wife filed charges, which would make a suspension based off pure speculation.

 

I hate the NFL, don't get me wrong, but sounds like they tried to act. I could be off on that

[AintNoStoppinMeNow 68]

I'm sorry but this makes the NFL look like morons yet again. They have all the money, high priced lawyers, former high level law enforcement investigators and they could not get the same information that a journalist went and got?! So either they knew about this information and tried to hide it or they are so inept that they weren't able to get this information. Either way, it's inexcusable.

[$epphori$ 118]

I've read a little on the topic and thought I read something that when it happened, the police wouldn't release any info to the NFL because it was still a pending, or ongoing investigation. Also, I don't believe his wife filed charges, which would make a suspension based off pure speculation.

 

I hate the NFL, don't get me wrong, but sounds like they tried to act. I could be off on that

well at the pro-bowl this year the NFL knew of an incident at the hotel and moved Browns wife and children to another hotel to protect them. The NFL did that. The NFL dont need a police report or any evidence for that matter to do anything remember? Roger has the power of God over any decision making.

[brotherbock 349]

I completely agree with the double standard charge. Not sure how this turns into an 'everybody is against the Patriots' epic struggle thread again, but oh well. The NFL does what they need to do to make money, or avoid losing money, and that's it. They paint everything pink for breast cancer not to actually help, but to get more women to buy their product--see how they want to fine Marshal for wearing orange socks to call attention to brain disorders.

 

They put the hurt on Ray Rice because they would lose money if they didn't. That's it. They 'looked into' concussions when they were forced to by their pocketbook.

 

They are a massive, soul-less turd of a corporation.

 

But I thought we already knew that?

[Oriole8159 86]

If that was a Patriots player the league, people here would be in an uproar. But since its the Giants, and they knowingly re-signed this piece of $hit they get a slide. If I was her, I would sue the Giants and the NFL for continuing to enable Brown and put her life in danger. This is disgusting. But I know a little air let out of the football is a game-changer, just ask Aaron Rodgers

 

how are the NFL and the Giants enabling Brown and putting her life in danger? You think him having a million dollar job has any connection to his actions? There's just as many poor wife beaters as there are rich ones.

I'm all for Brown getting what he deserves, but your anger here on multiple posts is way off base, and that's how these delicate conversations get so convoluted. If you encourage beaten women to sue the league, it just looks like a money grab because they have deeper pockets. When it looks like a misdirected money grab, the general public will inevitably become cynical when you consider she didn't want to pursue criminal charges at all, yet she now wants to sue an innocent bystander for not doing enough? You'll lose support for that.

 

Then you say that the league cares more about deflated footballs than it does about protecting the spouse of one of its' players; but to be honest, that's their job. They are a multi billion dollar business and it is incredibly important for them to maintain the integrity of the product on the field. Deflategate itself has become a joke obviously, but protecting that integrity (which they thought they were doing) is not a joke. And yes, that is more of a priority than the actions of one of their 3500 player employees. It's law enforcement's job to protect Brown's wife, not the league.

 

I'm completely fine with Brown never playing again in the league as well, but your argument is way off base.

[brotherbock 349]

 

how are the NFL and the Giants enabling Brown and putting her life in danger? You think him having a million dollar job has any connection to his actions? There's just as many poor wife beaters as there are rich ones.

I'm all for Brown getting what he deserves, but your anger here on multiple posts is way off base, and that's how these delicate conversations get so convoluted. If you encourage beaten women to sue the league, it just looks like a money grab because they have deeper pockets. When it looks like a misdirected money grab, the general public will inevitably become cynical when you consider she didn't want to pursue criminal charges at all, yet she now wants to sue an innocent bystander for not doing enough? You'll lose support for that.

 

 

He might be thinking of them moving her to a different hotel room during SB week when he was drunk and pounding on her door in the middle of the night. Dude was apparently a clear problem, and they just moved her to a different room and let him keep on keeping on. At least, that's how the story has sounded to me.

 

Edit: Sorry, ProBowl, not Superbowl.

 

"Brown showed up "drunk and was pounding on her door to let in. Molly refused to let Josh in, and eventually had to call NFL and hotel security. Josh was escorted away from Molly's room and the NFL ended up having to put Molly and the kids up in a different hotel room where Josh would not where they were.""

[Oriole8159 86]

 

He might be thinking of them moving her to a different hotel room during SB week when he was drunk and pounding on her door in the middle of the night. Dude was apparently a clear problem, and they just moved her to a different room and let him keep on keeping on. At least, that's how the story has sounded to me.

doesn't sound any different than what any other employer would have done on any other company trip.

why is the nfl any different?

[brotherbock 349]

doesn't sound any different than what any other employer would have done on any other company trip.

why is the nfl any different?

 

I'm not saying they aren't. But I don't have a high opinion of most corporations. A corporation exists to make money. It doesn't exist to be moral. So even though some human beings in the NFL knew they had a wife beater on their hands, a one game suspension was all that came of it. And no reasonable human being thinks that a one game suspension will stop a wife beater from being a wife beater. But the NFL, as a corporation, does not care about that. So it will do nothing.

 

Once it starts losing money or seems threatened with financial loss, it will do something. NFL is no different than Walmart, Apple, Google, etc. The difference is that we love football, and we like a lot of the players, so we think "the NFL should do something". But it won't. Because it doesn't care.

[Oriole8159 86]

 

I'm not saying they aren't. But I don't have a high opinion of most corporations. A corporation exists to make money. It doesn't exist to be moral. So even though some human beings in the NFL knew they had a wife beater on their hands, a one game suspension was all that came of it. And no reasonable human being thinks that a one game suspension will stop a wife beater from being a wife beater. But the NFL, as a corporation, does not care about that. So it will do nothing.

 

Once it starts losing money or seems threatened with financial loss, it will do something. NFL is no different than Walmart, Apple, Google, etc. The difference is that we love football, and we like a lot of the players, so we think "the NFL should do something". But it won't. Because it doesn't care.

I agree that no reasonable human being thinks that a one game suspension will stop a wife beater, but I'm not sure the author of this thread does which is why I wanted to respond as I did. He said that the wife should be suing the team and the league like they are a contributing factor to the abuse, which I didn't agree with. I get where you're coming from though.

 

I'm fine with the league suspending him the 6 games thing that Goodell agreed on, and I'm fine with the Giants cutting him and nobody else choosing to sign him if that's what they want (in my opinion they never should have re-signed him in the first place this offseason); but there has to be some level of reason here too. They dropped the ball on this particular case, but jumping all the way to the league being expected to monitor and protect the families of its 3500 player employees (which is what this author seemed to be suggesting) just seems unreasonable to me.

[weepaws 2,460]

Doesn't just happen in the NFL.

 

It's in the real world also.

 

Good is bad , and Bad is good.

 

It's what the world views as good and bad.

 

So double standard is now being practice every where.

 

It's a sad thing that this takes place in the NFL , it's a horrible thing the it's now excepted in the entire world today.

[Cretins 21]

If I was her, I would sue the Giants and the NFL for continuing to enable Brown and put her life in danger.

 

First off, before I get accused of anything, I think the situation is horrible and there's no excuse EVER for the way that Brown has been treating his wife.

 

My question, though, is how the heck can you say that either the Giants of the NFL have enabled this? They haven't caused this or supported this. Sure they can suspend a player, but how is that going to stop the actions? Is it the NFL's place to step in and stop this? I'm not sure what you would expect them to do.

 

If you were abusing your family, what could your employer do about it? Are they supposed to remove your family from the situation? I don't get where the onus is on the employer when it comes to a family/personal matter. Would you getting suspended or fired fix the situation? I highly doubt it. If anything it may make matters worse.

 

Again, I don't condone the action in any way, I just don't get how you're pointing your finger at the NFL or the Giants organization as having any blame on how a piece of $#!t treats his family.

[R8RMick 242]

only after they couldnt hide this anymore. I heard about this months ago right around middle of training camp so of course the NFL knew then. The question for the NFL is why wasnt this guy suspended the 6 games for domestic violence like the rule they made says? This was an attempt to hide the truth or minimize the action. There is no way to defend the Giants organization or the NFL.

You must listen to the Jim Rome Show, as he covered all of that verbatim. What's really amazing is that the Mara's have always been a fairly classy organization. And for a 37 year old kicker. It's not like they're talking about OBJ or Opie.

[brotherbock 349]

They dropped the ball on this particular case, but jumping all the way to the league being expected to monitor and protect the families of its 3500 player employees (which is what this author seemed to be suggesting) just seems unreasonable to me.

 

I agree, that would be unreasonable. But this is a case in which NFL employees ended up involved. They knew about this without monitoring, and they didn't do anything enough.

 

Think grade school teachers, right? Grade schools aren't required to monitor the home lives of children, but if they find out, without monitoring, that there's abuse going on, they are required to do something about it. Legally, and I would argue individual teachers are required morally. I'd say the same should hold for a company. Not monitor. But as soon as the NFL is getting terrified calls in the middle of the night that they need to come protect someone from one of their employees, they--humans--need to take effective action. And if the commissioner is the only one authorized to take that action, then he should, morally, be doing it. That's what I'm suggesting.

[$epphori$ 118]

You must listen to the Jim Rome Show, as he covered all of that verbatim. What's really amazing is that the Mara's have always been a fairly classy organization. And for a 37 year old kicker. It's not like they're talking about OBJ or Opie.

I have never listened to that turd nor will I

[$epphori$ 118]

The point I was trying to make was if the NFL and the Giants actually did something the first time like release him or suspend him for each action that he beat his wife then maybe it all would have been in the spotlight sooner and this would stop...but if you sweep it under the rug are you not welcoming this to repeat?

[weepaws 2,460]

Of course.

[brotherbock 349]

The point I was trying to make was if the NFL and the Giants actually did something the first time like release him or suspend him for each action that he beat his wife then maybe it all would have been in the spotlight sooner and this would stop...but if you sweep it under the rug are you not welcoming this to repeat?

 

I agree.

 

Next thing you know, we'll have major banks firing people for refusing to commit identity theft and open accounts in people's names without permission...

[weepaws 2,460]

Lol yea right.

[erikthebassist 41]

They also have a double standard when it comes to drug policy. When was the last time you heard about someone getting suspended for PED's? It happens, but not often. Meanwhile guys get suspended left and right for smoking weed. In the mean time injuries to ligaments and bones go up every year because just about everyone in the league is roiding out, they are getting bigger and faster every year. You can enhance musculature through PEDS, and increase stamina and blood flow, but you can't enhance ligaments and bones. These guys are TOO BIG, and TOO FAST, and the injuries pile up more and more every year, but a dude smoke a joint every night after practice and he's got to go. It's rediculous, and tearing apart these guy's bodies.

 

I'm not saying this to equate turning a blind eye to peds to turning a blind eye to abuse. The latter is clearly morally more repugnant, but it shows a pattern. Whatever is best for ratings, for their bottom line, they are going to do. Having pot smokers in the league tarnishes their family friendly image, having roid freaks makes the game more exciting.

[$epphori$ 118]

They also have a double standard when it comes to drug policy. When was the last time you heard about someone getting suspended for PED's? It happens, but not often. Meanwhile guys get suspended left and right for smoking weed. In the mean time injuries to ligaments and bones go up every year because just about everyone in the league is roiding out, they are getting bigger and faster every year. You can enhance musculature through PEDS, and increase stamina and blood flow, but you can't enhance ligaments and bones. These guys are TOO BIG, and TOO FAST, and the injuries pile up more and more every year, but a dude smoke a joint every night after practice and he's got to go. It's rediculous, and tearing apart these guy's bodies.

 

I'm not saying this to equate turning a blind eye to peds to turning a blind eye to abuse. The latter is clearly morally more repugnant, but it shows a pattern. Whatever is best for ratings, for their bottom line, they are going to do. Having pot smokers in the league tarnishes their family friendly image, having roid freaks makes the game more exciting.

very true, very good point, remember the David Boston story?

[erikthebassist 41]

very true, very good point, remember the David Boston story?

No but I just read his wikipedia entry. So is the implications that PEDs led to the abuse? What am I missing here?

[Joey Gladstone 33]

Goodell era NFL....

 

I loved him as a Hawk before he choked in the SB. Then he bolted to the Rams. Seems like the Holmgren Hawks had another repugnant human on the roster besides Jerramy Stevens.

[erikthebassist 41]

 

I agree.

 

Next thing you know, we'll have major banks firing people for refusing to commit identity theft and open accounts in people's names without permission...

 

buawahahahah... ha... ha... ha... oh wait...

[$epphori$ 118]

No but I just read his wikipedia entry. So is the implications that PEDs led to the abuse? What am I missing here?

the guy came into the NFL as a great WR for Arizona...he used so much HGH that the guy had a DR who the team let travel around with him. He ended up getting so jacked that he started getting inured and just wouldnt heal right. I rememeber reading an article and the writer explained all that was happening to Boston, and said he would be surprised if his knees would hold up 2 more years...the guy was 26-27 yrs old maybe. This was when nobody really knew anything about HGH yet....It basically took a very talented WR and ruined his career.

[erikthebassist 41]

the guy came into the NFL as a great WR for Arizona...he used so much HGH that the guy had a DR who the team let travel around with him. He ended up getting so jacked that he started getting inured and just wouldnt heal right. I rememeber reading an article and the writer explained all that was happening to Boston, and said he would be surprised if his knees would hold up 2 more years...the guy was 26-27 yrs old maybe. This was when nobody really knew anything about HGH yet....It basically took a very talented WR and ruined his career.

 

Reminds me of David Wilson

[giraldi02 470]

Football is family.

 

No More.

 

Pink cleats.

 

But don't kneel during the anthem, otherwise Drew Brees will finally speak up and say you're a bad person

[LaChup 154]

Not condoning his actions, but has anybody taken into consideration that he's a kicker and was probably duct taped to the lockers growing up.

[brotherbock 349]

Football is family.

 

No More.

 

Pink cleats.

 

But don't kneel during the anthem, otherwise Drew Brees will finally speak up and say you're a bad person

LOL, true enough. God forbid you as a player point out that our nation hasn't always been the nicest towards non whites. Kap, we really just need you to stop causing trouble. Maybe just beat your wife a couple of times instead.

[$epphori$ 118]

we are in end times, good is bad bad is good.