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Oh yeah, fock this guy. Glad he's dead. Mouthpiece for the Muslim brotherhood.

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The great majority of the Americans who met Khashoggi were not his close friends, but rather professional acquaintances, as I was. What’s more, almost all of them are cynical (or, if you prefer, sophisticated) enough to understand that the death of one journalist wouldn’t ordinarily be enough to upset the national security and economic interests that have long made the U.S. and Saudi Arabia close allies.

Yet for the moment, at least, the collective outrage over his disappearance and likely gruesome death, as described by Turkish authorities, is threatening the U.S. policy of building extremely close ties with Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, or MBS, as people in the know like to refer to him.

Is this right? Should personal and professional knowledge of the missing man affect our collective discussion about relations with an important ally?

 

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-10-18/jamal-khashoggi-s-friends-hold-sway-over-u-s-response-to-saudis

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Oh yeah, fock this guy. Glad he's dead. Mouthpiece for the Muslim brotherhood.

yep said it earlier .

Why do you think the hacks are pretending to care so much.

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Saudi's MBS cleared out the corruption in his regime so there are a lot of people not exactly thrilled with him.

 

I'm not saying he didn't have this guy killed but there is motivation to break up the relationship Trump Admin has begun with him.

 

This hit team could have done this anywhere but decided to sh!t where they eat? Little/no evidence? Red flags there for sure.

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I suppose I should state that while I believe this happened, I'm on the "so what" team. I think it's been blown way out of proportion. I also think that we should have been telling Saudi to fock off decades ago. They're just as bad as Iraq was but they have lots of money so we ourselves out to them.

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I suppose I should state that while I believe this happened, I'm on the "so what" team. I think it's been blown way out of proportion. I also think that we should have been telling Saudi to fock off decades ago. They're just as bad as Iraq was but they have lots of money so we ###### ourselves out to them.

A lot of those same folks that were being paid from Saudi regime had the $$ flow cut.

 

Isn't anyone else curious why the left is going so hard on this? A fringe reporter with ties to the Muslim Brotherhood. A nobody essentially. Why the push to punish Saudi?

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A lot of those same folks that were being paid from Saudi regime had the $$ flow cut.

 

Isn't anyone else curious why the left is going so hard on this? A fringe reporter with ties to the Muslim Brotherhood. A nobody essentially. Why the push to punish Saudi?

 

That article RLLD posted goes a bit into the why. I'd bet it's at least partially right.

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I love how filthy keeps trying to get away with it's a swing-and-a-miss that Trump colluded with the Russians. Just an assload of people going to jail, ratting out other people, indictments, Etc but yeah it's all fake news. Even when the perpetrators all right each other out. Trump's own kids email makes a liar out of trump himself. Everybody admits being at a meeting with the Russians. Everybody admits lying about meeting with the Russians. You do realize that just meeting with the Russians like that? Technically is collusion? The trunk keeps repeating the same line and whatever Trump repeats filthy repeats.

 

But but but but Hillary! But but but Trump wasn't at the meeting! But but but, Trump lied about the meeting itself. Lied that he even knew the meeting occurred first. Then lied about the nature of the meeting. All that's already known. Even they admit that.

 

if you're not doing dirty? Why do you lie so much? If you're not doing dirty, why do you hide so much? If you're not doing dirty, how come your story keeps changing so much?

 

but filthy is so easily manipulated by Trump. Trump honestly believes if you say the same thing over and over again, eventually people start to believe it. And he's not wrong. Stupid people do start to believe it. Doesn't make it true.

 

Now, you know filthy has absolutely no horse in the race, because Trump won't come out and say that the Saudis killed this guy, filthy won't come out and say the size killed this guy. Has there ever been a poster on this board so deeply entrenched in somebody else's pocket like that? Jesus, even the bush jocks jumped off long enough when the whole mission accomplished Banner came out. LOL

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And the counter investigation goes on, with James Baker, Bruce Ohr and Lisa Page spilling the beans. Of the things they're talkling about, it's being revealed the Trump Tower meeting was indeed setup by Glen Simpson/Fusion GPS with help from the Obama DOJ to get the previously banned Russian Lawyer b!tch in the country. The FBI's favorite Russian Oligarch (Deripreska) was approached as well to get on board with the Russian Collusion narrative but he laughs off the FBI for what they're trying to frame.

 

wiff yammers on about Trump Tower meeting where the Trump Campaign was setup by the Obama Justice Dept/Fusion with an offer of free email dirt. At the same time, the DOJ/FBI are working with Hillary, Perkins Coie, Steele and Fusion GPS gathering dirt from Russians to further frame the narrative.

 

Don't let the facts hit you in the face like the peemus from your latest date wiff.

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Its only news because hes a journalist and a US resident. And because of course instead of saying nothing Trump had to immediately make an ass of himself and the Trumpflakes were preemptively triggered to defend their Messiah.

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What would we do if he were an American citizen?

 

Whatever the answer is, that is what we should do.

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If we don't care because of money the Saudis give us for weapons than we exactly as evil as Osama Bin Laden said we are.

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We can get our oil from Nigeria and ourselves.

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What would we do if he were an American citizen?

 

Whatever the answer is, that is what we should do.

 

Disagree. If the Saudi's decide that this is the culture they want to promote, who are we to tell them what to do? Isn't that part of the reason the middle east hates us? Our interference? We treat American citizens according to our laws, and in part to our cultural norms, we do not apply our society to others. When you have to force others you have lost your ability to persuade.

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If we don't care because of money the Saudis give us for weapons than we exactly as evil as Osama Bin Laden said we are.

 

Disagree. Only evil people deal in absolutes. We should leave this mentality to groups like ISIS, Al Qaeda, BLM, Nazi's, others....

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What would we do if he were an American citizen?

 

Whatever the answer is, that is what we should do.

What did we do when the North Koreans killed that Otto kid? Nothing. But the leftist talking heads didnt make a big deal because that started on Obamas watch.

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We can get our oil from Nigeria and ourselves.

Then someone else gets the Saudi oil and everything that goes with it. You follow?

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We get involved in their affairs that have nothing to do with us: Desert Storm

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What would we do if he were an American citizen?

 

Whatever the answer is, that is what we should do.

 

There are calls for immediate sanctions against Saudi Arabia with little/no evidence being provided.

 

So when an illegal alien kills an American citizen in our country, should we then apply sanctions to Mexico (or whatever their country of origin is)?

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What would we do if he were an American citizen?

 

Whatever the answer is, that is what we should do.

I dont necessarily think we should do anything. Id settle for the POTUS staying out of it and not making an ass of himself.

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https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/271623/jamal-khashoggi-media-fights-muslim-brotherhood-daniel-greenfield

 

 


In high school, Jamal Khashoggi had a good friend. His name was Osama bin Laden.
“We were hoping to establish an Islamic state anywhere,” Khashoggi reminisced about their time together in the Muslim Brotherhood. “We believed that the first one would lead to another, and that would have a domino effect which could reverse the history of mankind.”
The friendship endured with Jamal Khashoggi following Osama bin Laden to Afghanistan. Khashoggi credited Adel Batterjee, listed at one time as one of “the world’s foremost terrorist financiers” by the Treasury Department, with bringing him to Afghanistan to report on the fighting.
The media calls Khashoggi a journalist, but his writings from 80s Afghanistan read as Jihadist propaganda with titles like, "Arab Mujahadeen in Afghanistan II: Exemplifies the Unity of Islamic Ummah".
And when Osama bin Laden set up Al Qaeda, he called Khashoggi with the details.
After Afghanistan, Jamal Khashoggi went to work as a media adviser for former Saudi intel boss, Prince Turki bin Faisal, alleged to have links to Al Qaeda. Those allegations came from, among others, Zacarias Moussaoui, the alleged twentieth hijacker.
When the other 19 hijackers perpetrated the attacks of September 11, Khashoggi wrote that the Saudis would not “give in” to American “demands” for “unconditional condemnation” and “total cooperation”.
"Saudis tend to link the ugliness of what happened in New York and Washington with what has happened and continues to happen in Palestine. It is time that the United States comes to understand the effect of its foreign policy and the consequences of that policy," he declared.
"A Muslim cannot be happy with the suffering of others. Even if this suffering is that of Americans who neglected the suffering of Palestinians for half a century."
That’s the real Khashoggi, a cynical and manipulative apologist for Islamic terrorism, not the mythical martyred dissident whose disappearance the media has spent the worst part of a week raving about.
Jamal Khashoggi was not a moderate. Some describe him as the leader of the Saudi Muslim Brotherhood. The Islamist network admires Hitler and seeks to impose Islamic law around the world. Nor was he a supporter of freedom of the press. In one of his Al Jazeera appearances, he complained that the Saudi government was allowing some journalists to report positively on Israel.
His final project, DAWN or Democracy for the Arab World Now was meant to aid Islamists. According to Azzam Al-Tamimi, an old Muslim Brotherhood ally aiding Jamal, "The Muslim Brothers and Islamists were the biggest victims of the foiled Arab spring." Al-Tamimi has endorsed suicide bombings.
But unlike Osama bin Laden, Khashoggi did not use the Muslim Brotherhood as a gateway drug to the pure and uncut violence of Al Qaeda or ISIS. He was still betting on a political takeover.
As he recently put it, “Democracy and political Islam go together.”
Khashoggi went on making the case for the Islamic state of the Muslim Brotherhood. He went on making that case even as the Saudis decided that the Brotherhood had become too dangerous.
Like his old friend, Jamal Khashoggi went into exile in a friendly Islamist country. Osama bin Laden found refuge in Pakistan and Khashoggi ended up in Turkey. The Khashoggi family had originated from Turkey. And Turkey was swiftly becoming the leading Sunni Islamist power in the region. Living in Turkey put Khashoggi at the intersection of the Turkish-Qatari backers of the Brotherhood and the Western media.
His disappearance has touched off fury and anger from the Islamist regime that harbored him. And it has also set off an unprecedented firestorm of rage and grief by the American media which adored him.
Media spin describes Khashoggi as a dissident. And he certainly was that. But so was Osama bin Laden.
What Khashoggi wasn’t, was a moderate. No more so than the Muslim Brotherhood. He wasn’t a proponent of human rights, but of Islamic rule. He could be found on Al Jazeera, Qatar’s Jihadist propaganda network, bemoaning Saudi opposition to the Brotherhood and its friendliness to Israel.
"Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman should get rid of his complex against the Muslim Brotherhood and stop treating them as the enemy or a threat to Saudi Arabia," he complained, and urged the Saudis to fight Israel instead.
Jamal Khashoggi’s career of spouting Muslim Brotherhood propaganda for his new Turkish and Qatari masters came to an end in a curious way. Before Khashoggi allegedly entered the Saudi embassy, from which Turkey claims that he disappeared, he told his Turkish fiancé to call Yasin Aktay if he didn’t return.
Yasin Aktay is the Turkish equivalent of Obama’s Ben Rhodes, and served as the AKP Islamist ruling party’s spokesman. Why call one of the regime’s top propagandists instead of the police?
One obvious explanation is that Khashoggi’s mysterious disappearance was a propaganda ploy.
It wouldn’t be the first time that the Turkish regime executed a false flag operation. Or the first time that the media ate it up.
Before the summer coup of 2016, Turkey was said to have 50,000 political prisoners. Many of them were members of the country’s oppressed Kurdish minority which is deprived of its most basic civil rights. These include even the use of their own language. Doing so can carry a prison sentence.
In that terrible summer, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, Turkey’s Islamic tyrant, finished securing his absolute hold on power with the coup as his Reichstag fire. The alleged coup became a blank check for the mass arrest and torture of countless thousands of political prisoners. Amnesty International estimated that 50,000 had been detained. The UN listed a figure as high as 180,000. They included 300 journalists.
Lawyers described clients being brought to them covered in blood.
Erdogan went after professors, judges, law enforcement, the military and the last remnants of a free press. A Human Rights Watch report documented electric shocks, beatings with truncheons and rubber hoses, and rape by Erdogan’s Islamic thugs. Heads were banged against walls. Men were forced to kneel on burning hot asphalt. Medical reports showed skull fractures, damage to testicles and dehydration.
The media didn’t show any of the hysterical outrage at these crimes that it has over the disappearance of Jamal Khashoggi. The media cares more about Khashoggi, a former media mouthpiece of the Saudi regime before it turned on his Muslim Brotherhood brothers, than about 300 Turkish reporters.
It’s not hypocrisy, it’s consistency.
Erdogan and Khashoggi are both militant Islamic activists. And their opponents, the victims of Erdogan’s Reichstag fire and the new Saudi king, had fallen afoul of them for being insufficiently militantly Islamist.
The media will always take the side of Islamists over non-Islamists. That’s why it bleeds for Khashoggi.
There was a reason why Jamal Khashoggi felt so comfortable in Turkey, while actual journalists in the country were terrified of being locked up, tortured and disappeared. If that was the fate that befell Khashoggi, it was a commonplace one in Turkey. And it may have been carried out by his own Turkish allies who decided that their Saudi subversive had more value as a false flag martyr than a house guest.
The media’s disproportionate outrage over Khashoggi has nothing to do with human rights. If it did, the media would have been just as outraged at the arrests and torture of tens of thousands in Turkey.
It’s not. And it won’t be.
And the politicians shrilly urging that we punish the Saudis never thought about curtailing arms sales to Turkey. Many of the same politicians were unhappy when President Trump used economic pressure on Erdogan in an effort to free American hostages, like Pastor Andrew Brunson, being held by Turkey.
This is about Islam.
The struggle between Saudi Arabia and the UAE on the one hand, and Turkey, Qatar and Iran on the other, is the next stage of the Arab Spring. And, from Yemen to Turkey, the media has made no secret of being on the Islamist side. Its outrage over Khashoggi, like its claims of a human rights crisis over the Saudi bombings in Yemen, are not journalism, they’re the political spin of the Islamist axis.
The media has reported every claim of victimhood by the Muslim Brotherhood and Qatar’s Al Jazeera propaganda arm, while giving as little attention as possible to the victims of Muslim Brotherhood church bombings. Its coverage of Israel has been little more than terrorist propaganda since Osama was in diapers. Its coverage of the Khashoggi case is every bit as dishonest as its slanted attacks on the Saudi embargo of Qatar, as its propaganda about the wars in Yemen and Libya, and just as devoid of context.
The Khashoggi case demands context.
Before the media and the politicians who listen to it drag the United States into a conflict with Saudi Arabia over a Muslim Brotherhood activist based on the word of an enemy country still holding Americans hostage, we deserve the context.
And we deserve the truth.
The media wants the Saudis to answer questions about Jamal Khashoggi. But maybe the media should be forced to answer why the Washington Post was working with a Muslim Brotherhood propagandist?
The real mystery isn’t Khashoggi’s disappearance. It’s why Republicans aren’t asking those questions.
The media’s relationship with Khashoggi is far more damning than anything the Saudis might have done to him. And the media should be held accountable for its relationship with Osama bin Laden’s old friend.

 

Que Paul Harvey's line "Now you know the rest of the story".

 

This focking guy was nothing more than the minister of propaganda for Islamic Terrorist Orgs.

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Seems like we should be praising Saudi for their good work

About what is expect from the guy who laughed about Benghazi.

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The guys that cried about bringing up stuff from high school 2 weeks ago are bringing up high school. What kind of alternate universe are we in. Lofl.

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We get involved in their affairs that have nothing to do with us: Desert Storm

 

So we ignore the lessons of the past and repeat them? I respectfully disagree.

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The guys that cried about bringing up stuff from high school 2 weeks ago are bringing up high school. What kind of alternate universe are we in. Lofl.

 

Yeah...........beer drinking and farting are apples the same as being friends and lifelong associate of the world's most wanted terrorist (Osama Bin Laden).

 

Congrats on the most moronic analogy of the day award.

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Yeah...........beer drinking and farting are apples the same as being friends and lifelong associate of the world's most wanted terrorist (Osama Bin Laden).

 

Congrats on the most moronic analogy of the day award.

I agree here. That was the dumbest analogy Ive read in a long time. Maybe ever.

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What would we do if he were an American citizen?

 

Whatever the answer is, that is what we should do.

Throw him a roll of paper towels in a hurricane?

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Leave it to Filthy.

 

I had heard that the trumpsters we're starting a whispering campaign against the guy who got murdered just to justify Trump's lack of action.

 

Jesus, these people are low.

 

Just say it's none of our business. But these guys always have to go the extra mile in sleaze.

 

Got to wonder what Trump and his cronies would have said when Malala was shot.

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The news media has been latching on this, as I predicted, and are using it as a broadsword on Trump, crassic....

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Leave it to Filthy.

 

I had heard that the trumpsters we're starting a whispering campaign against the guy who got murdered just to justify Trump's lack of action.

 

Jesus, these people are low.

 

Just say it's none of our business. But these guys always have to go the extra mile in sleaze.

 

Got to wonder what Trump and his cronies would have said when Malala was shot.

 

You finally got proof he was murdered? No? So we're still waiting, huh? Sooooooooooooooo, while we wait I thought I'd bring a little perspective about the current 'Saint of the Left' (past Saints include Stormy, Ford, Warren, etc). They don't give two squirts of p!ss for him or anyone else they've tried using against Trump. All are cast aside after they leave their pound of flesh on the alter of Democratic Narratives.

 

So, how much are you sending his widow/fiancee'?

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Bye bye dikhead. I just wish this would be the spark to set off uprisings in SA. But those people are all bought off. It's pretty much a welfare state.

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Does he get all the virgins in the afterlife, or is that only for those who murder innocent people?

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But still, dude is s citizen of another country, goes to yet another country to enter yet another country's embassy.

 

 

And it's front page news 3 days running?

 

The irony that this topic is now 3 pages running got lost somewhere.

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Filthy Fernadez, on 19 Oct 2018 - 06:57 AM, said:

Yeah...........beer drinking and farting are apples the same as being friends and lifelong associate of the world's most wanted terrorist (Osama Bin Laden).

 

Congrats on the most moronic analogy of the day award.

if by beer drinking and farting apples, you mean trying to rape chicks...

 

Then in the same breath you call a guy who was friends with a dead terrorist over 30 years ago "a lifelong associate".

 

You win the gymnast of forever award.

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The more I read about this story and the history of Khashoggi, the more I find myself in the camp that this really isnt our business. He had a decades long feud with people in Saudi Arabia. He started becoming critical of Trump in 2016 so the Washington Post hired him in 2017 and he took up residency in VA. In 2018, he goes back to Saudi Arabia and whetever happneded, happened there.

He wasnt a US citizen, but as a resident of VA, Trump sends Secretary of State Pompeo to Saudi Arabia to try and get more details.

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