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#1 wiffleball

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Posted 20 April 2017 - 09:13 AM

The one that Trump repeatedly mocked and said that the Iranians were clowing us - and especially Obama and Kerry?

 

Yeah, today, they officially announced that Iran is fully complying with the deal. 

 

:doh:  :doh:

 

Fock me, this guy couldn't order a Donut without somebody from his team coming by later to say 

"Well, he MEANT Bagel!"  :wall:

 

 


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#2 Baker Boy

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Posted 20 April 2017 - 10:04 AM

It is a bad deal and is similar to the one Clinton made with North Korea. Where did he say it was a good deal? What is your problem?

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Posted 20 April 2017 - 11:06 AM

just because they are compliant, doesn't mean its a good deal

 

also who is they? cause part of the deal allowed Iran to police itself, and had 24 days notice to be inspected


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Posted 20 April 2017 - 12:51 PM

Wow, I heard Tillerson ripping the deal this morning. I guess Wiffle has joined Slownuff and newbie and just makes it up now.

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Posted 20 April 2017 - 12:57 PM

Trump stake out three sides to every issue. He makes John Kerry look like a rock of stability.


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Posted 20 April 2017 - 01:17 PM

Trump stake out three sides to every issue. He makes John Kerry look like the rocky dennis of stability.

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Posted 20 April 2017 - 02:48 PM

The one that Trump repeatedly mocked and said that the Iranians were clowing us - and especially Obama and Kerry?

 

Yeah, today, they officially announced that Iran is fully complying with the deal. 

 

:doh:  :doh:

 

Fock me, this guy couldn't order a Donut without somebody from his team coming by later to say 

"Well, he MEANT Bagel!"  :wall:

 

 

 

Posted it elsewhere.  It was ignored by the usual suspects.

They don't care.  They will defend everything he does...even if its completely opposite of why they said they voted for him.



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Posted 20 April 2017 - 04:22 PM

Funny, I head Tillerson and Trump too apart the deal as awfull and our rep to the U.N. scolding the security council on what piles of schit the Iranians are.

More idiocy from the TDS sufferers I'm afraid. :(

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Posted 20 April 2017 - 05:08 PM

Funny, I head Tillerson and Trump too apart the deal as awfull and our rep to the U.N. scolding the security council on what piles of schit the Iranians are.

More idiocy from the TDS sufferers I'm afraid. :(


Yet he has not pushed to change it...has stated publicly that Iran is in compliance.

In sure that's all just fake news too right?

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Posted 20 April 2017 - 05:46 PM

The Dutch were in compliance on the deal with the Indians in Manhattan

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Posted 20 April 2017 - 08:26 PM

John Kerry admitted some of the money the Obama administration gave to Iran for "hostages"'will be used to fund terrorism.

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Posted 20 April 2017 - 08:36 PM

Deal, or no deal?

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Posted 20 April 2017 - 09:04 PM

Compliant with a sh1tty deal??? Bomb them

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Posted 25 April 2017 - 04:00 AM

That Barry, he was a good boy



http://www.politico....-release-236966


When President Barack Obama announced the one-time gesture of releasing Iranian-born prisoners who were not charged with terrorism or any violent offenses last year, his administration presented the move as a modest trade-off for the greater good of the Iran nuclear agreement and Tehrans pledge to free five Americans.

Iran had a significantly higher number of individuals, of course, at the beginning of this negotiation that they would have liked to have seen released, one senior Obama administration official told reporters in a background briefing arranged by the White House, adding that we were able to winnow that down to these seven individuals, six of whom are Iranian-Americans.

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But Obama, the senior official and other administration representatives werent telling the whole story on Jan. 17, 2016, in their highly choreographed rollout of the prisoner swap and simultaneous implementation of the six-party nuclear deal, according to a POLITICO investigation.

In his Sunday morning address to the American people, Obama portrayed the seven men he freed as civilians. The senior official described them as businessmen convicted of or awaiting trial for mere sanctions-related offenses, violations of the trade embargo.

In reality, some of them were accused by Obamas own Justice Department of posing threats to national security. Three allegedly were part of an illegal procurement network supplying Iran with U.S.-made microelectronics with applications in surface-to-air and cruise missiles like the kind Tehran test-fired recently, prompting a still-escalating exchange of threats with the Trump administration. Another was serving an eight-year sentence for conspiring to supply Iran with satellite technology and hardware. As part of the deal, U.S. officials even dropped their demand for $10 million that a jury said the aerospace engineer illegally received from Tehran.

And in a series of unpublicized court filings, the Justice Department dropped charges and international arrest warrants against 14 other men, all of them fugitives. The administration didnt disclose their names or what they were accused of doing, noting only in an unattributed, 152-word statement about the swap that the U.S. also removed any Interpol red notices and dismissed any charges against 14 Iranians for whom it was assessed that extradition requests were unlikely to be successful.

Three of the fugitives allegedly sought to lease Boeing aircraft for an Iranian airline that authorities say had supported Hezbollah, the U.S.-designated terrorist organization. A fourth, Behrouz Dolatzadeh, was charged with conspiring to buy thousands of U.S.-made assault rifles and illegally import them into Iran.

A fifth, Amin Ravan, was charged with smuggling U.S. military antennas to Hong Kong and Singapore for use in Iran. U.S. authorities also believe he was part of a procurement network providing Iran with high-tech components for an especially deadly type of IED used by Shiite militias to kill hundreds of American troops in Iraq.

The biggest fish, though, was Seyed Abolfazl Shahab Jamili, who had been charged with being part of a conspiracy that from 2005 to 2012 procured thousands of parts with nuclear applications for Iran via China. That included hundreds of U.S.-made sensors for the uranium enrichment centrifuges in Iran whose progress had prompted the nuclear deal talks in the first place.

When federal prosecutors and agents learned the true extent of the releases, many were shocked and angry. Some had spent years, if not decades, working to penetrate the global proliferation networks that allowed Iranian arms traders both to obtain crucial materials for Tehrans illicit nuclear and ballistic missile programs and, in some cases, to provide dangerous materials to other countries.

They didnt just dismiss a bunch of innocent business guys, said one former federal law enforcement supervisor centrally involved in the hunt for Iranian arms traffickers and nuclear smugglers. And then they didnt give a full story of it.

In its determination to win support for the nuclear deal and prisoner swap from Tehran and from Congress and the American people the Obama administration did a lot more than just downplay the threats posed by the men it let off the hook, according to POLITICOs findings.

Through action in some cases and inaction in others, the White House derailed its own much-touted National Counterproliferation Initiative at a time when it was making unprecedented headway in thwarting Irans proliferation networks. In addition, the POLITICO investigation found that Justice and State Department officials denied or delayed requests from prosecutors and agents to lure some key Iranian fugitives to friendly countries so they could be arrested. Similarly, Justice and State, at times in consultation with the White House, slowed down efforts to extradite some suspects already in custody overseas, according to current and former officials and others involved in the counterproliferation effort.

And as far back as the fall of 2014, Obama administration officials began slow-walking some significant investigations and prosecutions of Iranian procurement networks operating in the U.S. These previously undisclosed findings are based on interviews with key participants at all levels of government and an extensive review of court records and other documents.

Clearly, there was an embargo on any Iranian cases, according to the former federal supervisor.

Of course it pissed people off, but its more significant that these guys were freed, and that people were killed because of the actions of one of them, the supervisor added, in reference to Ravan and the IED network.

The supervisor noted that in agreeing to lift crippling sanctions against Tehran, the Obama administration had insisted on retaining the right to go after Iran for its efforts to develop ballistic missiles capable of delivering nuclear warheads and cruise missiles that could penetrate U.S. defenses, and to illegally procure components for its nuclear, military and weapons systems.

Then why would you be dismissing the people that you know about who are involved in that? the former official asked.

A SHREWD CALCULATION

The saga of how the Obama administration threw a monkey wrench into its own Justice Department-led counterproliferation effort continues to play out almost entirely out of public view, largely because of the highly secretive nature of the cases and the negotiations that affected them.

That may be about to change, as the Trump administration and both chambers of Congress have pledged to crack down on Tehrans nuclear and ballistic missile programs. Last Wednesday, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson announced a government-wide review of U.S. policy toward Iran in the face of alarming and ongoing provocations that export terror and violence, destabilizing more than one country at a time.

On Thursday, President Donald Trump declared that even if Iran is meeting the terms of its deal with the Obama administration and other world powers, they are not living up to the spirit of it, I can tell you that. And were analyzing it very, very carefully, and well have something to say about that in the not-too-distant future.

At left, President Barack Obama delivers a statement Jan. 17, 2016, on the relations between the U.S. and Iran. At right, Secretary of State John Kerry and Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov meet July 7, 2015, in Vienna, Austria, during the nuclear talks between the E3+3 and Iran.
At left, President Barack Obama delivers a statement Jan. 17, 2016, on the relations between the U.S. and Iran. At right, Secretary of State John Kerry and Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov meet July 7, 2015, in Vienna, Austria, during the nuclear talks between the E3+3 and Iran. | AP and Getty Photos
Such reviews are likely to train a spotlight on an aspect of the nuclear deal and prisoner swap that has infuriated the federal law enforcement community most the hidden damage it has caused to investigations and prosecutions into a wide array of Iranian smuggling networks with U.S. connections.

Valerie Lincy, executive director of the nonpartisan Wisconsin Project on Nuclear Arms Control, said Obama administration officials made a shrewd political calculation in focusing public attention on just those seven men it was freeing in the United States, and portraying them as mere sanctions violators.

That way, she said, They just didnt think it was going to make too many waves. And I think they were right.

But Lincy, who closely tracks the U.S. counterproliferation effort against Iran, said that by letting so many men off the hook, and for such a wide range of offenses, Washington has effectively given its blessing to Irans continuing defiance of international laws.

Former Obama administration officials deny that, saying the men could still be prosecuted if they continue their illegal activity. But with their cases dropped, international arrest warrants dismissed and investigative assets redirected, the men especially the 14 fugitives can now continue activities the U.S. considers to be serious threats to its national security, Lincy said.

This is a scandal, she said. The cases bear all the hallmarks of exactly the kinds of national security threats were still going after. Its stunning and hard to understand why we would do this.

Even some initial supporters of negotiating with Iran said the disclosures are troubling.

There was always a broader conceptual problem with the administration not wanting to upset the balance of the deal or the perceived rapprochement with the Iranian regime, said former Bush administration deputy national security adviser Juan Zarate, who later turned against the accord. The deal was sacrosanct, and the Iranians knew it from the start and took full advantage when we had and continue to maintain enormous leverage.

Most, if not all, of the Justice Department lawyers and prosecutors involved in the Counterproliferation Initiative were kept in the dark about how their cases were being used as bargaining chips, according to interviews with more than a dozen current and former officials.

So were the federal agents from the FBI and departments of Homeland Security and Commerce who for years had been operating internationally, often undercover, on the front lines of the hunt for Iranian arms and weapons smugglers.

It wasnt just that prosecutors and agents with years of detailed knowledge about the cases were left out of the consultations about the significance of the 21 men let go in the swap. The lack of input also meant that negotiators were making decisions without fully understanding how the releases would impact the broader and interconnected matrix of U.S. investigations.

At the time, those investigations were providing U.S. officials with a roadmap of how, exactly, Tehran was clandestinely building its nuclear and ballistic missile programs and maintaining its military with the unwitting assistance of so many U.S. weapons parts and technology companies. The cases were also providing key operational details of how the Iranian procurement networks operate, and who in Tehran was calling the shots.

So when they downplayed it, it really infuriated people, said Kenneth MacDonald, a former senior Homeland Security official who helped establish the multi-agency coordination center at the heart of the National Counterproliferation Initiative.

Theyd spent months or years on these cases and the decisions were made with no review of what the implications were, said MacDonald, who retired in 2013 but keeps in contact with agents as co-principal investigator at the DHS-affiliated Institute for Security Policy at Northeastern University. There was absolutely no consultation.........

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Posted 25 April 2017 - 06:03 AM

In before but but but trump

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#16 drobeski

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Posted 25 April 2017 - 09:09 AM

In before but but but trump

pretty big story, he basically let go a guy who helped kill our soldiers.

Barry was a real piece of schit.

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Posted 25 April 2017 - 09:11 AM

pretty big story, he basically let go a guy who helped kill our soldiers.

Barry was a real piece of schit.

Kinda like Trump being besties with a murderer like Putin?


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#18 drobeski

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Posted 25 April 2017 - 09:14 AM

Kinda like Trump being besties with a murderer like Putin?

not like at all corkster.

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Posted 25 April 2017 - 09:28 AM

not like at all corkster.

Of course not. :lol:


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Posted 25 April 2017 - 01:43 PM

Avoided like the plague
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Can't blame you kids, seems like a treasonous deal Barry made.

#21 Sho Nuff

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Posted 25 April 2017 - 01:49 PM

Avoided what...a politico article relying on your favorite unnamed sources (that you only believe when they tell you what you want to hear) but that does not really give much evidence of anything?

Haha...ok.



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Posted 25 April 2017 - 01:51 PM

pretty big story, he basically let go a guy who helped kill our soldiers.

Barry was a real piece of schit.


The left is full of idiots that want to save murderers lives but won't think twice about killing a late term baby.

BBC for the most part is pretty damn good.


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Posted 25 April 2017 - 01:54 PM

Obama has left behind more shite to clean up than the elephants that used to be at a circus. The guy was a disaster.

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Posted 25 April 2017 - 01:55 PM

The left is full of idiots that want to save murderers lives but won't think twice about killing a late term baby.

And the right wants to save undeveloped clusters of cells but couldn't care less about children being bombed and doused with chemicals who are looking to escape their war torn country.


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#25 drobeski

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Posted 25 April 2017 - 01:56 PM

Obama has left behind more shite to clean up than the elephants that used to be at a circus. The guy was a disaster.

and a traitor

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Posted 25 April 2017 - 02:00 PM

And the right wants to save undeveloped clusters of cells but couldn't care less about children being bombed and doused with chemicals who are looking to escape their war torn country.


Feel free to join the Peace Corps or give your money to help them. Maybe Sally Struthers will let you munch on that big fat a$$ of hers.

BBC for the most part is pretty damn good.


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Posted 25 April 2017 - 02:02 PM

And the right wants to save undeveloped clusters of cells but couldn't care less about children being bombed and doused with chemicals who are looking to escape their war torn country.


Ok willing to compromise. Kill the cells, leave the fully formed fetus alone.

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Posted 25 April 2017 - 02:06 PM

and a traitor

Well, he DID found ISIS. 

 

Thank God Trump said he had a secret plan to defeat isis. 

On day one he gave his Generals 30 days. 

That was 70 days ago. 

Thank God he already had a plan. 


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#29 drobeski

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Posted 25 April 2017 - 02:09 PM

Well, he DID found ISIS. 
 
Thank God Trump said he had a secret plan to defeat isis. 
On day one he gave his Generals 30 days. 
That was 70 days ago. 
Thank God he already had a plan. 

Hillary would still be arming them.
I'll take the Trump Mattis approach.

Barry ever get those seas to recede ? Or just your hairline?

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Posted 25 April 2017 - 02:34 PM

And the right wants to save undeveloped clusters of cells but couldn't care less about children being bombed and doused with chemicals who are looking to escape their war torn country.

 

unless of course, the left wants to have a baby, at which point they celebrate it as a "baby" when they find out around 6 weeks

 

its a baby if wanted, its cells of blobs if not wanted


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#31 Sho Nuff

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Posted 25 April 2017 - 02:41 PM

Well, he DID found ISIS. 
 
Thank God Trump said he had a secret plan to defeat isis. 
On day one he gave his Generals 30 days. 
That was 70 days ago. 
Thank God he already had a plan. 


Hey...he started says my Radical Islamic Terrorism...I can't believe that didn't end it all.

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Posted 25 April 2017 - 02:50 PM

Avoided like the plague
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Can't blame you kids, seems like a treasonous deal Barry made.

 

 

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Posted 25 April 2017 - 04:35 PM

In the wake of their stunning defeat the Lefties are stuck defending radical Islam, illegals, Chinese steel, Chicago murderers, Hollywood snowflakes, the unaffordable care act, transgender bathrooms, Chemical Warfare, Tampon Machines in the Men's Bathrooms, high taxes, failed Socialist Governments, rioting to prevent free speech, a nuclear Iran, and Politically Correct Nonsense.
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Posted 25 April 2017 - 04:44 PM

Hillary would still be arming them.
I'll take the Trump Mattis approach.

Barry ever get those seas to recede ? Or just your hairline?

 

To be fair Hillary wanted to impose a no fly zone... even though she couldn't enforce a no fly zone on her face.



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Posted 25 April 2017 - 07:41 PM

In the wake of their stunning defeat the Lefties are stuck defending radical Islam, illegals, Chinese steel, Chicago murderers, Hollywood snowflakes, the unaffordable care act, transgender bathrooms, Chemical Warfare, Tampon Machines in the Men's Bathrooms, high taxes, failed Socialist Governments, rioting to prevent free speech, a nuclear Iran, and Politically Correct Nonsense.


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Posted 25 April 2017 - 07:45 PM

Deja Poo... the feeling you've heard this bull shiot before.

he's a brainless moron. All he can do is copy and paste. Let him enjoy the little bit he has left
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Posted 26 April 2017 - 09:11 AM

So Obama went on TV and told the nation that the seven prisoners he gave back to Iran were businessmen who had violated sanctions, portraying them as not dangerous or involved in terrorist activities. Turns out Obama lied to us. They are bad guys. Some really bad guys

#38 drobeski

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Posted 26 April 2017 - 09:14 AM

So Obama went on TV and told the nation that the seven prisoners he gave back to Iran were businessmen who had violated sanctions, portraying them as not dangerous or involved in terrorist activities. Turns out Obama lied to us. They are bad guys. Some really bad guys

treason

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Posted 26 April 2017 - 09:17 AM

So Obama went on TV and told the nation that the seven prisoners he gave back to Iran were businessmen who had violated sanctions, portraying them as not dangerous or involved in terrorist activities. Turns out Obama lied to us. They are bad guys. Some really bad guys

That does it!!  I am never voting for him again.


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Posted 26 April 2017 - 09:33 AM

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