rrmcguire 36 Posted November 23, 2015 Buck Allen Bradshaw Spencer Ware best of those three? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StrikeForce 11 Posted November 23, 2015 I like Buck Allen. Forsett is out for a while if not the rest of the season. Of course, not sure what effect Flacco being out will have. Not sure of the extent of West's hamstring. But Ware did well. Not excited about Bradshaw. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
American Chewy 98 Posted November 23, 2015 Ware and Bradshaw will depend on the severity of the starters injuries. Coleman and rawls similar situation to that as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StrikeForce 11 Posted November 23, 2015 Winston might be a hot commodity, too. 5 TDs today. Osweiler might be a good pickup, too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thewrathofkuhn 40 Posted November 23, 2015 Allen will be #1 for sure. My early sneaky adds to avoid wasting that waiver position or $: Terrance Willams (22%) Turbin (particularly for McFadden owners) Riddick (PPR, 2%) – This is baffling to me. For all the guys that have been chasing points w/ guys like Andrews, you have to walk up a few stairs to get to this gent's floor. Bradshaw (PPR, 1%) – See above. Both he and Riddick will be nice consolation prizes for missing out on Buck Allen. Bilal Powel (PPR, .2%) – He might win a few smart teams a PPR trophy with a week 16 matchup against NE. Jonathan Grimes (PPR, .2%) – Playing waay better then Blue. Crocket Gillmore (5%) – Something was happening here even before Flacco going down and TE's historically benefit in the short to med. passing game from backups in the short term. Funchess (34%) – I'm never high on Rookie WR, but Newton is insane right now and he made Benjamin a solid WR2. Keshawn Martin (.3%) – Owning a piece of the NE passing game is never a bad thing if you have the space. Sean Draughn (2%, PPR) – Might as well be roommates w/ Riddick as they live on same floor, if not higher. If in PPR I'm buying Grimes, Draughn and Powell (if a lock for playoffs) before the two guys below. Pass: Coleman Ware (unless West declared out on Monday and need to win out.) Don't waste that waiver chasing these guys. Sure, if you're in win now to make playoffs they might be worth it (depending on Freeman and West status come Tuesday), but the importance of a high waiver in the playoffs is immeasurable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 719 Posted November 23, 2015 Allen...meh, average talent on a bad offensive team now without flacco Pass. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thewrathofkuhn 40 Posted November 23, 2015 Allen...meh, average talent on a bad offensive team now without flacco Pass. 22 carries and 5 receptions in a tight game. I can count on one hand the number of RB's left with that kind of workload, and/or lack of tangible backup or challenger for touches. Heck, even the two guys that went bananas this week have challengers that steal their respective touches. In my humble opinion he'll arguable finish as the best RB waiver option this year, at the most critical time of the season next to D Williams, maybe lockstep with Rawls, West, K Williams and Langford. The later 4 in some sort of timeshare/injury situation with necessitating difficult week over week decisions in regards to starts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jrbdmb 28 Posted November 23, 2015 I'll probably have to go for Allen (better than the fumbling Matt Jones I have now), but his playoff schedule is brutal - SEA / KC / PIT weeks 14 - 16. Rather get Spencer Ware *if* I knew that West was going to be out for a while. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
murf74 461 Posted November 23, 2015 Anyone breathing? I'm buying 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magnificent Bastard 190 Posted November 23, 2015 I'll be dropping Davante Adams. Total bust. Funchess will be my target. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dashow28 6 Posted November 23, 2015 Pretty much any backup RB at this point, holy hell! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
murf74 461 Posted November 23, 2015 I never believed handcuffs were worth it they either rotted on your bench or starter was questionable and you couldn't play either one . Now you have to handcuff handcuffs I don't remember another year like this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stonewall 647 Posted November 23, 2015 My brain is literally fried, trying to keep up with RB injuries, timeshares, handcuffs, handcuff to the handcuffs. I will be glad when this ff seasons ends. Like Murf said, I have never seen anything like this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
R8RMick 242 Posted November 23, 2015 I'll be dropping Davante Adams. Total bust. Funchess will be my target. At least he caught 75% of his targets this week lol... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thewrathofkuhn 40 Posted November 23, 2015 My brain is literally fried, trying to keep up with RB injuries, timeshares, handcuffs, handcuff to the handcuffs. I will be glad when this ff seasons ends. Like Murf said, I have never seen anything like this. We're actually about the norm. While an old article, it covers a huge sample period – historically less than 50% of RB who were top 10 in previous seasons play all 16 games. In fact they miss an average 2.4 games. I think our brains are skewed based more on the inconsistency in week to week performance, time shares and the rise of the passing offense then injuries. To wit: AFC NE: Lewis 7 games then out, Blount healthy all season. BUF: McCoy missed 2 weeks, Williams impact NYJ: Ivory healthy, missed 1 week MIA: Miller healthy, Ajayi creeping week 9+ --- Nothing really out of the ordinary there. CIN: Timeshare, both healthy PIT: Bell, suspension and out. Biggie. BAL: 10 weeks of mediocrity and out CLE: Timeshare and mess --- Yea, some damage in here, but Bell and Forsett combine for about 16 of 32 games. Not like they went out week 1 (and Bell's suspension doesn't really count) IND: Healthy TEN: Timeshare and mediocrity JAX: Heathy HOU: Is this really surprising? --- Nothing really out of the ordinary. DEN: Healthy, Timeshare and mediocrity SD: Healthy, Timeshare and awfulness KC: This is a biggie. OAK: Healthy and mediocrity --- Short of Charles all healthy. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrG 94 Posted November 23, 2015 Nice summary. I carried 9 rb thru most of the year but injuries and a short bench .... Traded forsett and dropped Allen and he gets injured the following week - of course losing Freeman and west today and wood heads worst of the season .... Ouch Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magnificent Bastard 190 Posted November 23, 2015 At least he caught 75% of his targets this week lol... Another Ted Thompson misfire. Another guy riding the Aaron Rodgers gravy train, along with the head coach. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrG 94 Posted November 23, 2015 Nice to see Arizonas best running back finally get in the game Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thewrathofkuhn 40 Posted November 23, 2015 Another Ted Thompson misfire. Another guy riding the Aaron Rodgers gravy train, along with the head coach. Come on, really mate? Ted Thompson is widely regarded as one of the best drafters in the NFL. The current roster is the most homegrown in the NFL and they've been Super Bowl contenders annually over the last half decade. The ENTIRE offense and almost the ENTIRE starting defense save for Peppers and Shields (who was an un drafted FA signing) were drafted by Thompson. You can attribute the success to AR all you want, but he only plays one side of the ball. To wit: He as more picks (104), starts (1860) and games played (3,267) then any other team. Remind me, how many NFL games has Adams started again? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 719 Posted November 23, 2015 Come on, really mate? Ted Thompson is widely regarded as one of the best drafters in the NFL. The current roster is the most homegrown in the NFL and they've been Super Bowl contenders annually over the last half decade. The ENTIRE offense and almost the ENTIRE starting defense save for Peppers and Shields (who was an un drafted FA signing) were drafted by Thompson. You can attribute the success to AR all you want, but he only plays one side of the ball. To wit: He as more picks (104), starts (1860) and games played (3,267) then any other team. Remind me, how many NFL games has Adams started again? He is fishing as usual. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 719 Posted November 23, 2015 22 carries and 5 receptions in a tight game. I can count on one hand the number of RB's left with that kind of workload, and/or lack of tangible backup or challenger for touches. Heck, even the two guys that went bananas this week have challengers that steal their respective touches. In my humble opinion he'll arguable finish as the best RB waiver option this year, at the most critical time of the season next to D Williams, maybe lockstep with Rawls, West, K Williams and Langford. The later 4 in some sort of timeshare/injury situation with necessitating difficult week over week decisions in regards to starts. That was with Flacco. That offense hasn't exactly lit it up before. Nice pick up for those killed by injuries, but I don't see him as some great play the rest of the way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rrmcguire 36 Posted November 23, 2015 Allen worth spending #2 waiver on? Other backs are DeAngelo Stewart Hill trying to trade for Lacy Karlos Ajayi Turbin I would probably drop Ajayi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thewrathofkuhn 40 Posted November 23, 2015 That was with Flacco. That offense hasn't exactly lit it up before. Nice pick up for those killed by injuries, but I don't see him as some great play the rest of the way. I didn't list production only volume. Do you believe that they're going to throw MORE w/o Flacco? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thewrathofkuhn 40 Posted November 23, 2015 Allen worth spending #2 waiver on? Other backs are DeAngelo Stewart Hill trying to trade for Lacy Karlos Ajayi Turbin I would probably drop Ajayi Curious, why trade Hill for Lacy? Do you anticipate starting Lacy on a weekly basis? If not, Hill has far more upside and roster equity then Lacy. Then again, you already have 4 (!) running backs that are an injury away from being viably RB1 and 2's I don't see the need to add another starting RB, unless you are naked at the flex? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thewrathofkuhn 40 Posted November 23, 2015 He is fishing as usual. I don't understand what this means. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magnificent Bastard 190 Posted November 23, 2015 I don't understand what this means. Some people think that someone makes a statement to get a rise out of posters. I truly think the Green Bay is held together by AR and they are wasting an all time great. I don't think in the modern age of football having the most home grown roster is the attribute Green Bay does. Not that you go out a buy a ton Of FA's, but when you are a perpetual contender you should be filling in some gaps with quality veterans. Like Charles Woodson. Remember him? Pretty good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thewrathofkuhn 40 Posted November 23, 2015 Some people think that someone makes a statement to get a rise out of posters. I truly think the Green Bay is held together by AR and they are wasting an all time great. I don't think in the modern age of football having the most home grown roster is the attribute Green Bay does. Not that you go out a buy a ton Of FA's, but when you are a perpetual contender you should be filling in some gaps with quality veterans. Like Charles Woodson. Remember him? Pretty good. You're completely moving the goal posts. You: "Another Ted Thompson misfire" – a comment which insinuates that Packer's GM Ted Thompson 'misfires' a lot when drafting. Me: Thompson is widely considered one of the best judges of talent and currently the most successful drafter of players by their time in the NFL regardless if still with the club. Here are the numbers... That was what we were talking about. Whether you think they're wasting an all time great (they're not) or they should sign more FA's has zilch to do with your critique of Thompson and believing Adams is a miss. It's one thing if you're of the belief Ted Thompson doesn't construct complete teams by whatever metrics your mind deems important. But throwing out hot takes, like "Another miss by Thompson!", and refuting he's an incredible drafter – having far more hits than misses, especially when compared to the NFL as a whole is dumb. And wrong. --- That said, the roster, available space and budget (now and later) exists in a box. Being an annual contender and having the available cap space to resign, and budget for in-house talent who have spent their entire career in the same system is a luxury most teams would kill for. Why spend market rate on players when you can resign guys like Cobb, Nelson, Bulaga and Shields for less AND they already know the playbook? This is where hoarding your picks and drafting well gets you. Same goes for letting other teams overpay for players in FA and going after budget friendly guys that fit the system versus talent. You avoid the 3 and 4 year rebuild cycles that plague most teams. (Exhibit A: Seattle). Yea, Woodson – I remember him. I also remember Joe Johnson, Mark Roman and Marquand Manuel. And Julius Peppers. But you're in fallacy territory here. You can't say you 'should be filling some gaps' with quality veterans (uh, just, because?) and resign players like Cobb and Nelson to long term deals. You can't have it both ways. The teams that continually draft well while replacing departing free-agents w/ young in-house players and low cost FA have longer tenures as playoff contenders then those who draft poorly or throw away picks (via trade). This is irrefutable. The importance of low roster turnover and and how it impacts year over year success is immeasurable – just ask Andrew Luck. Sure, there are teams that do both well (sign high-priced FA and draft well – e.g. Denver), but for every one of them there are a handful of San Diego's and Washington's. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
murf74 461 Posted November 23, 2015 We're actually about the norm. While an old article, it covers a huge sample period historically less than 50% of RB who were top 10 in previous seasons play all 16 games. In fact they miss an average 2.4 games. I think our brains are skewed based more on the inconsistency in week to week performance, time shares and the rise of the passing offense then injuries. To wit: AFC NE: Lewis 7 games then out, Blount healthy all season. BUF: McCoy missed 2 weeks, Williams impact NYJ: Ivory healthy, missed 1 week MIA: Miller healthy, Ajayi creeping week 9+ --- Nothing really out of the ordinary there. CIN: Timeshare, both healthy PIT: Bell, suspension and out. Biggie. BAL: 10 weeks of mediocrity and out CLE: Timeshare and mess --- Yea, some damage in here, but Bell and Forsett combine for about 16 of 32 games. Not like they went out week 1 (and Bell's suspension doesn't really count) IND: Healthy TEN: Timeshare and mediocrity JAX: Heathy HOU: Is this really surprising? --- Nothing really out of the ordinary. DEN: Healthy, Timeshare and mediocrity SD: Healthy, Timeshare and awfulness KC: This is a biggie. OAK: Healthy and mediocrity --- Short of Charles all healthy. A lot of healthy summary is not fully accurate as starters missed time or go down in game. Like we may see 3rd string starter in KC. Timeshares are not killing people it's the injuries. Gore is banged up now too. You disregard Forsett like no big deal but it is especially this year Why no NFC in your list Lacy Hyde then Bush Lynch Forte Ellington Randle and Dunbar in Dallas Coleman was starter till he got hurt now Freeman is down That's just off the top. Nobody is talking just too 10 rbs either or timeshare This year is much different than usual Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TennisMenace 156 Posted November 23, 2015 I have not done well picking up RBs to stash. Ajayi and Turbin didn't pan out well. I probably should have held onto Abdullah, and after holding Coleman for weeks, I dumped him in order to pick up Ajayi. Sigh! I'm tired of playing this stash game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 719 Posted November 23, 2015 I didn't list production only volume. Do you believe that they're going to throw MORE w/o Flacco? I believe the way offense is going to suck without him leading to stacked d in the box. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 719 Posted November 23, 2015 I don't understand what this means. He has an obsession with Ted Thompson, Mike McCarthy and trying to get my attention.All because I said "mean" things about it Eli Manning and don't think much of Coughlin at this point in his career. (He is a Giants fan) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thewrathofkuhn 40 Posted November 23, 2015 He has an obsession with Ted Thompson, Mike McCarthy and trying to get my attention. All because I said "mean" things about it Eli Manning and don't think much of Coughlin at this point in his career. (He is a Giants fan) I'm all for healthy discussions and debates mate. I assure you, until you reinforce your hot takes with some reasonable dialogue or something other then – 'it's true because I say it is' you're hardly worth my attention. Constantly moving the goal posts and replying with awkward comments about who or what you think I like or believe contributes absolutely nothing to the conversation, and is quite honestly boring. As you can see, I love discussing football and enjoy reading well thought out comments derived from something more then 'a hunch'. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thewrathofkuhn 40 Posted November 23, 2015 Bilal Powel (PPR, .2%) – He might win a few smart teams a PPR trophy with a week 16 matchup against NE. Jets just placed Stacy on IR. Awkwardly quoting myself here, but IMO Powell (and to a significantly lessor degree Ridley) is a PPR must-add for Ivory owners. Powell is a sneaky grab regardless. While snap counts aren't out yet, I glanced at his usage relative to field field position yesterday, and it's promising. He saw early down snaps inside the 20. I think there's a nice weekly 10pt PPR floor there if in a pinch. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Texas10 15 Posted November 24, 2015 Who do you drop between Langford and Coleman. Thinking Coleman, he looked like dog crap. I need to grab somebody and pray. Only 2 RBs are Charc and McCoy, if Charc is out I'm screwed...waiver 9. I agree that this season is simply horrible. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thewrathofkuhn 40 Posted November 24, 2015 Who do you drop between Langford and Coleman. Thinking Coleman, he looked like dog crap. I need to grab somebody and pray. Only 2 RBs are Charc and McCoy, if Charc is out I'm screwed...waiver 9. I agree that this season is simply horrible. PPR? How many teams in league? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thewrathofkuhn 40 Posted November 25, 2015 Bumping up Bradshaw and Grimes as well. (Both and Powell should be bought before Coleman...) Bradshaw saw 50% of the snaps in week 11, Powell 61% and Grimes (27% to Blue's 53%). Something curious – Blue saw 8 ST snaps and Grimes 17. Does anyone know if they switched places later in the game? A starting tailback playing ST (not returning) is very rare and the answer could go a long way in speaking to or predicting if Grimes may be taking over the backfield. Another thing. I was surprised to see Turbin's snap percentage as 20%. While I'm confident McFadden continues to see a huge amount of work that is a rather high and surprising number for a guy with only 1 week of practice. Might be the calm before the storm... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 719 Posted November 25, 2015 I like Bradshaw....and have come more on board with Allen. At least this week. Should get a ton of volume and against a bad team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thewrathofkuhn 40 Posted November 25, 2015 I like Bradshaw....and have come more on board with Allen. At least this week. Should get a ton of volume and against a bad team. Indeed. Like I said there's probably at least 15-20 runs and 5+ targets to be had there. I can't remember the last time a RB had 20 touches or more and scored under 10 pts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thewrathofkuhn 40 Posted November 25, 2015 Also adding Thompson to the list. WAS is going no where fast and short of a couple big plays against NO Jones has not looked great. He could make for a sneaky PPR emergency starter if things really start falling apart in WAS. He took 56% of the snaps during the throttling against CAR. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
