Gepetto 982 Posted December 14, 2017 Chipper Jones Jim Thome Omar Vizquel Trevor Hoffman Vladimir Guerrero Roger Clemens Barry Bonds Curt Schilling Manny Ramírez Gary Sheffield Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
patweisers44 697 Posted December 14, 2017 Not when the double play would have ended the inning as it would have in Zero's scenario...I didnt research the scenario, but you get the point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gepetto 982 Posted December 14, 2017 In case you missed it, Former Detroit Tigers stars Jack Morris and Alan Trammell were elected into the Baseball Hall of Fame on Sunday by the Modern Era Baseball committee. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cdub100 3,379 Posted December 14, 2017 The 1984 Tigers hold a spot near and dear to my heart, but I agree with this in general. Baseball HOF is a joke. All that being said, you could make an argument for either based on who is already in. People talk about Jack Morris winning more games than any other pitcher in the 1980's without mentioning he also had the most losses in the 1980s too. Trammell's numbers are pretty pedestrian too. Neither one is a HOF'er in my mind. My criteria is simple. I ask you is <insert player name here> a HOF'er? If your answer isn't an immediate "Yes" then almost certainly he shouldn't be one. if you gotta make an argument (including comparing to others already in), then they aren't a HOF'er either. Trammell and Morris both belong in the HOF They where some of the best players in the 80s. When you say pedestrian who are you comparing them to? probably the crop of SS that came after him which isn't fair. In fact not only do those two belong, but Lou Whitaker is more deserving than both of them. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,621 Posted December 14, 2017 Well, now that Trammell is in, Mattingly should be getting in as well. The numbers are blatantly better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 5,556 Posted December 14, 2017 In case you missed it, Former Detroit Tigers stars Jack Morris and Alan Trammell were elected into the Baseball Hall of Fame on Sunday by the Modern Era Baseball committee. We did not. Alan Trammell and Jack Morris elected to Baseball Hall of Sham Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
patweisers44 697 Posted December 14, 2017 Trammell and Morris both belong in the HOF They where some of the best players in the 80s. When you say pedestrian who are you comparing them to? probably the crop of SS that came after him which isn't fair. In fact not only do those two belong, but Lou Whitaker is more deserving than both of them. I agree Whitaker should have gone in before Trammell or Morris. I also said that the baseball HOF is a joke and compared to who is already in that you could argue Trammell or Morris getting in for sure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
posty 2,296 Posted January 24, 2018 Revealed tonight at 6pm ET... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drizzay 645 Posted January 25, 2018 Chipper Thome Vlad Hoffman Can't argue with any of them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,621 Posted January 25, 2018 Next year the great Mariano Rivera is eligible. It should be the first unanimous vote, and they should let him go in alone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shotsup 832 Posted January 25, 2018 If I had a vote... Chipper Jones Jim Thome Vladimir Guerrero Barry Bonds Roger Clemens Trevor Hoffman Nailed it. F those two Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shotsup 832 Posted January 25, 2018 Next year the great Mariano Rivera is eligible. It should be the first unanimous vote, and they should let him go in alone. 97% Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
posty 2,296 Posted January 25, 2018 Nailed it. F those two Nah, they still should be in... They will get there... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
posty 2,296 Posted January 25, 2018 Next year the great Mariano Rivera is eligible. It should be the first unanimous vote, and they should let him go in alone. He won't be unanimous... Guaranteed... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bandrus1 413 Posted January 25, 2018 next year is MO, Halladay, Mussina, martinez Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,621 Posted January 25, 2018 He won't be unanimous... Guaranteed... Should be. Would love to hear the reason some a-hole won't vote for him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,621 Posted January 25, 2018 next year is MO, Halladay, Mussina, martinez Ok, Pedro can go in with Mariano the Great. That's it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
posty 2,296 Posted January 25, 2018 Ok, Pedro can go in with Mariano the Great. That's it. Pedro is already in, he meant Edgar... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,621 Posted January 25, 2018 Pedro is already in, he meant Edgar... Oh. Sorry. Then no, Mariano by himself. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bier Meister 1,512 Posted January 25, 2018 aside from being a peener, what is the knock on schilling? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bandrus1 413 Posted January 25, 2018 aside from being a peener, what is the knock on schilling? faked an injury for media exposure Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shotsup 832 Posted January 25, 2018 He won't be unanimous... Guaranteed... That's why I said 97% Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shotsup 832 Posted January 25, 2018 next year is MO, Halladay, , martinez Interesting in light of recent events. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
patweisers44 697 Posted January 25, 2018 He won't be unanimous... Guaranteed... Probably the greatest example of the HoF being garbage. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bandrus1 413 Posted January 25, 2018 Interesting in light of recent events. why is it interesting? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shotsup 832 Posted January 25, 2018 If Edgar Martinez cannot make it to hall because the stigma of DH - what happens with David Ortiz ?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bier Meister 1,512 Posted January 25, 2018 faked an injury for media exposure bloody sock? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bandrus1 413 Posted January 25, 2018 bloody sock? yaw Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shotsup 832 Posted January 25, 2018 why is it interesting? Why do you think I said it ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shotsup 832 Posted January 25, 2018 bloody sock? YAWN Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bier Meister 1,512 Posted January 25, 2018 yaw i do not happen to like the guy, but he's had a great career...even when he was on a crappy philly team Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
posty 2,296 Posted January 25, 2018 aside from being a peener, what is the knock on schilling? I don't know... As someone mentioned before, if they aren't a HOF in year one, why in year ten? What changed? His stats hadn't... Just looking at his numbers, nothing really jumps out at me saying that he should be in the Hall and I don't think his post-season numbers is enough to push him in... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bandrus1 413 Posted January 25, 2018 Why do you think I said it ? guy died with drugs in his systems 4 years after he last played I dont really see where that really has anything to do with his accomplishments Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
posty 2,296 Posted January 25, 2018 If Edgar Martinez cannot make it to hall because the stigma of DH - what happens with David Ortiz ?? I don't think either should be in... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shotsup 832 Posted January 25, 2018 I don't think either should be in... I get it but MLB and media LOVED Big Papi. Don't see him not getting in. And Edgar was a huge clutch hitter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,621 Posted January 25, 2018 Edgar was great. Papi was better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shotsup 832 Posted January 25, 2018 guy died with drugs in his systems 4 years after he last played I dont really see where that really has anything to do with his accomplishments OK. Just said it was interesting Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bandrus1 413 Posted January 25, 2018 Edgar was a huge clutch hitter. averaged OBP from 1995-2001 is .446 should be in Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shotsup 832 Posted January 25, 2018 I don't know... As someone mentioned before, if they aren't a HOF in year one, why in year ten? What changed? His stats hadn't... .. I get this argument but also has to do with the draft class. Guerrero's stats didn't get better from last year either. Writers want some players to wait it out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Honcho 4,014 Posted January 25, 2018 He won't be unanimous... Guaranteed... Can he top Ken Griffey Jr., who only missed it be 3? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
