Doug Martin this week

[cavern 70]

this site rates him #34, which just seems crazy low for a starting runningback on a good offense playing at home.

 

what am i missing?

[cyclone24 1,799]

Carolina defense. 4th best vs run

 

/endthread

[JohnD. 22]

Definitely think he struggles but with the volume he's been getting, and putting up solid numbers, I'm not going to sit him.

[IMMensaMind 459]

Too low for a bellcow. I'd say 18.

[Law 220]

As of now, I'm going with him over Smallwood and over Abdullah.

[cavern 70]

Carolina defense. 4th best vs run

 

/endthread

ok, because carolina is supposedly good, you rank him behind all the other starters in the whole league and a few backups?

[Jarvis Basnight 119]

benched him for Ajayi. yay

[stonewall 647]

Muscle Hamster is a weekly start.

 

Moderate floor/High ceiling

[cavern 70]

that's the way i've been treating him. he has had solid output since returning. not spectacular

Muscle Hamster is a weekly start.

 

Moderate floor/High ceiling

[weepaws 2,452]

I'm not so sure he is.

 

His 2.5 rushing avg last weekend and his 3.8 the weekend before doesn't show it.

 

Plus his ff point total has dropped over the three games he's played.

 

Interested to see just how productive he is this weekend.

[stonewall 647]

TB o-line is atrocious....and that is obviously a big negative against him.

[cavern 70]

I'm not so sure he is.

 

His 2.5 rushing avg last weekend and his 3.8 the weekend before doesn't show it.

 

Plus his ff point total has dropped over the three games he's played.

 

Interested to see just how productive he is this weekend.

i hear you on this. i don't think he's in danger of losing touches to anyone just yet. i think any back that is just about guaranteed 15 touches is likely a weekly start these days, barring someone somehow amassing a good stable...

 

i sort of look at it as: he has had one good game and one bad game. the game where winston got hurt i think gets tossed out (he had a decent FFB point total regardless)

 

ranked in terms of FFP per game played he is somewhere around #12 in my league

[crackills 19]

i am starting Chris Thompson over him. I like DM, but just dont believe he can overcome the Car d front and TB seems to use their TEs in the red zone a great deal.

[cavern 70]

i guess for those that might be on the fence with martin might want to check and see if kuechly is active before making a final determination. he has practiced this week, but still needs to be cleared by an independent doctor. that man has had lots of concussions, getting that clearance might require more than a smile

[weepaws 2,452]

i hear you on this. i don't think he's in danger of losing touches to anyone just yet. i think any back that is just about guaranteed 15 touches is likely a weekly start these days, barring someone somehow amassing a good stable...

 

i sort of look at it as: he has had one good game and one bad game. the game where winston got hurt i think gets tossed out (he had a decent FFB point total regardless)

 

ranked in terms of FFP per game played he is somewhere around #12 in my league

I can agree with your post.

 

Good job.

 

He will get the touches, and your point about Winston I can get behind.

 

With Winston still being hurt is another cause for concern.

 

Touches are always a good thing in ff, but sometimes they can also lead to frustration just ask the owners of Ajayi.

 

Thanks for the reply once again good job.

[Ray_T 587]

this site rates him #34, which just seems crazy low for a starting runningback on a good offense playing at home.

 

what am i missing?

I agree. To some extent.

 

I would not rank him top 10, but if you told me he should be somewhere between #15 and #20 I'd most likely agree with you.

 

he appears healthy and he does tend to perform reasonably well even against good Defenses.

 

Even against a good run D I cannot see him putting up numbers that are worse than your high end RB3's are doing.

 

for me this puts him in the top 24 for sure.

 

If your league starts 2 RB's and you own Martin, he should be starting (unless you have two other top 15 RB's on your roster with nice matchups)

[weepaws 2,452]

In ppr his last three weeks.

 

He's been 11 / 18 / 28 in points scored for Rbs.

 

He's playing a very good run def with his QB being very questionable.

 

He only avg 2.5 yards per carry last week vs the Bills and that was with a hurting Winston playing.

 

I think ranking him as a rb3 isn't to far off.

[murf74 461]

Who cares what ranking he is? Is he one of best 24 rb options in fantasy this week. That's an easy yes so he is starting on most 12 team leagues

[brotherbock 349]

i guess for those that might be on the fence with martin might want to check and see if kuechly is active before making a final determination. he has practiced this week, but still needs to be cleared by an independent doctor. that man has had lots of concussions, getting that clearance might require more than a smile

 

Keuchs has cleared the protocol.

[shredhead 21]

Who cares what ranking he is? Is he one of best 24 rb options in fantasy this week. That's an easy yes so he is starting on most 12 team leagues

Well if it is that simple then great, that's awesome. A lot of people have flex spots and are questioning who to start in their RB2 or Flex spot between similarly skilled players on their roster. That changes your question into is Martin one of the 48 best RB or WR options in fantasy this week, and if so, is he higher in that 48 or lower than players like Christian McCaffrey, or Tyreek Hill, or Chris Hogan.

[mookie86mets 8]

The good news for Martin owners is his schedule lightens up after this week. That is until week 16 week when he plays Carolina again.

 

 

At least you'll get a preview of the fantasy finals. Hopefully we're all there.

[RedzoneMonster 102]

I'm starting Blount over him this week. I think the gamescript really works againt martin this week. TB DEF stinks to begin with and now both starting CB's are out. CAR could be up big early. Like the other poster above this said, his schedule lightens up a lot soon. I'll be starting him almost rest if the way.

[Ray_T 587]

In ppr his last three weeks.

 

He's been 11 / 18 / 28 in points scored for Rbs.

 

He's playing a very good run def with his QB being very questionable.

 

He only avg 2.5 yards per carry last week vs the Bills and that was with a hurting Winston playing.

 

I think ranking him as a rb3 isn't to far off.

I agree he shouldnt be a RB1. the details you mentioned above are a reason not to expect him to be top 15.

 

but as a guy who owned him the last 2 years, his production does not seem to drop against top defenses like it does for some RB's.

 

I still think he should be starting in any league where you start 2 RB's.

 

I'm calling it now. Start him if you got him.

[huskyhater75 242]

Definitely think he struggles but with the volume he's been getting, and putting up solid numbers, I'm not going to sit him.

Man I tell you what, on that premise I hope you don't own Jay Jay Ajayi too.................1.8/yds carry, 25 carries.

[weepaws 2,452]

I agree he shouldnt be a RB1. the details you mentioned above are a reason not to expect him to be top 15.

 

but as a guy who owned him the last 2 years, his production does not seem to drop against top defenses like it does for some RB's.

 

I still think he should be starting in any league where you start 2 RB's.

 

I'm calling it now. Start him if you got him.

I would agree, he should start.

 

Even as a flex.

 

Doesn't mean he won't be a rb3.

[weepaws 2,452]

Looks like that 34th ranking is going to be close.

[Ray_T 587]

Looks like that 34th ranking is going to be close.

right now (with one game to go) he is ranked #24 in standard leagues.

 

I dont know where he is at with PPR. I'm guessing 2 or 3 spots lower.

 

still, he got a full workload. Yardage total was okay, just no TD.

[cavern 70]

where are you looking at information? not doubting, just want to look at the same list. yeah, the ranking is not going to end up far off for martin, but the opportunity he got gave him a very good upside - which will continue. there was one play, in particular, where i was sure he was breaking it for a big gain/score, except for an amazing arm tackle (which, of course, is credit to panthers defense, not some fluke).

 

but, yeah, he'll probably settle in around #26 after tonight's game.

 

 

right now (with one game to go) he is ranked #24 in standard leagues.

 

I dont know where he is at with PPR. I'm guessing 2 or 3 spots lower.

 

still, he got a full workload. Yardage total was okay, just no TD.

[Kent 228]

where are you looking at information? not doubting, just want to look at the same list. yeah, the ranking is not going to end up far off for martin, but the opportunity he got gave him a very good upside - which will continue. there was one play, in particular, where i was sure he was breaking it for a big gain/score, except for an amazing arm tackle (which, of course, is credit to panthers defense, not some fluke).

 

but, yeah, he'll probably settle in around #26 after tonight's game.

 

 

Assuming CJ Anderson is going to do something.

 

26 is still in RB 2 territory. 34 was a silly ranking.

[cavern 70]

Assuming CJ Anderson is going to do something.

 

26 is still in RB 2 territory. 34 was a silly ranking.

somebody will score a td or something to get ahead of martin. i agree. i feel like what we saw was about his floor for the week

[weepaws 2,452]

right now (with one game to go) he is ranked #24 in standard leagues.

 

I dont know where he is at with PPR. I'm guessing 2 or 3 spots lower.

 

still, he got a full workload. Yardage total was okay, just no TD.

Looking at ppr rankings through the season, eight points would on avg rank him in the 30es.

 

More of a flex start.

 

Need those tds to be a rb2 or better.

[cavern 70]

the ranking in question was a standard ranking. it was based on martin having 13 carries for 55 yards and no catches.

 

he had 18 carries for 71 yards and a catch for 4 yards.

 

that's 19 touches in reality against 13 predicted - 46% more touches/opportunity than the site apparently thought he would get. and i doubt the game script was worse than they thought it would be.

 

i really don't want to seem like i want to pick this to death, i used to really rely on this site's rankings when selecting lineups. i'm often finding things about their rankings that make me tend more toward consensus rankings elsewhere. the TY Hilton ranking this week is similar. i really saw nothing going into this game to justify TY at 6. luckily i took him out of one lineup - not something you do with a true top 10 play

Looking at ppr rankings through the season, eight points would on avg rank him in the 30es.

More of a flex start.

Need those tds to be a rb2 or better.

[weepaws 2,452]

No problem.

 

But anything less then 24th would make him a rb3.

 

25 or 34th still a rb3.

 

He needs to score tds to be a rb2 and he's doesn't score many tds.

[Gepetto 979]

Doug Martin in ppr per game fantasy football stats through 8 weeks is #24 running back, a RB2. Now stop with the incorrect statements.

http://fftoday.com/stats/playerstats.php?Season=2017&GameWeek=&PosID=20&LeagueID=107644&order_by=FFPtsPerG&sort_order=DESC

11.8 points per game

fftoday ranks him much too low every week.

[weepaws 2,452]

The OP was talking about this past weekend.

 

Not the his over all season.

 

Now dummy up. And cowboy out.

[Gepetto 979]

That's been explained in post #32 by cavern. So wtf are you talking about? You're wrong in every post in this thread. Dummy up and Cowboy out?, f-off. All I did was state facts.

[weepaws 2,452]

Last two weeks he's been 28th ranked in ppr.

 

And this week isn't over yet.

 

Cowboy out.

 

He went from 11 in his first game down to 18th n his second and down to 28 has last two.

 

He needs to score tds to be a rb2.

 

If two Rbs tonight score more then nine ff points in non ppr he will be ranked 26.

 

A Rb3.

[Ray_T 587]

Last two weeks he's been 28th ranked in ppr.

 

And this week isn't over yet.

 

Cowboy out.

 

He went from 11 in his first game down to 18th n his second and down to 28 has last two.

 

He needs to score tds to be a rb2.

 

If two Rbs tonight score more then nine ff points in non ppr he will be ranked 26.

 

A Rb3.

I dont know how this conversation got so far off the rails....

 

and Weepaws, I am not blaming you.

 

All I was saying is 34 may be excessively low.

 

but then at some point someone on here came in and said I cant count on fftoday's rankings anymore and I think that's excessive too.

 

If you look at his stats, he came back from suspension in week 5. at that time it was questionable whether he was going to have a job (or not)

 

that being said, h3e had 13 and 14 carries respectively in those weeks. Personally I think his workload was scaled back a bit because he wasnt in game shape and it is also possible that the coach wanted him to earn his starting job back.

 

then in his third week back he had a full workload of 20 carries, but only 2.5 yards per carry against a tough buffalo D and 2 catches for 31 yards.

 

I felt he was going to be the clear cut starter with a full workload, but based on the body of work I can see why fftoday wasnt ready to jump on the wagon with that. it's not like it was a game where he made a statement.

 

That being said, I think he is a RB2.

 

and RB2's dont always score like an RB2. sometimes they put up RB1 numbers and sometimes they put up RB3 numbers. These variations sometimes happen due to game plan, and sometimes due to circumstance. That's life in fantasy football.

 

If your team gets behind 2 TD's early in the game, you probably wont run the ball as much as you had initially planned. If you get ahead by the same, you will run it more than originally planned.

 

That's just smart football.

 

I really dont care if a guy ranks #26 and someone says he's an RB3. The reality is he's on the cusp. you could play him as a top end RB3 or as a low end RB2 without really hurting yourself that much.

 

I think the point made was that the ranking of #34 seemed excessively low (that makes him a low end RB3) and I agreed with that. It did seem low, but let's not make a big deal out of it. He's currently ranked #24 in standard leagues and will likely drop to #25 or #26 after todays game.

 

why dont you go and look at the difference in scoring between the rank of 26 and 34. It's probably 1-2 fantasy points.

 

Lets not make a mountain out of a molehill here.

 

What I take from this is that Martin got a bit more work than the fftoday team thought and that's fine. while the prediction was a little low, it's not criminally low.

 

you dont go and criticize fftoday when they say your back will get 15 fantasy points and he blows up for 30. it's a one off thing. it happens.

[weepaws 2,452]

34th or 25th is all the same to me.

 

I kept saying he's a rb3 going into this weekend and it looks like that will be the case.

 

25th - 36'is all,the same to me, they all mean a rb3.

[jgcrawfish 232]

PPR scoring he's 11, 16, 27 and 28th ranked RB on a weekly basis since his return. That's RB2/3 territory depending on the league. Workload is increasing, but gameflow, their sort of putrid offensive with Jameis clearly not at 100% he hasn't found the flow yet. But you got him at a discount because of the suspension, so it work out, right?