gpann101 32 Posted June 18, 2015 Kubiak..Manning warring down...C.J.s production last year...Balanced team...schedual...C.Js motivation... blocker..receiver...am I missing anything that implies that he's NOT going to go off this year? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
giraldi02 470 Posted June 18, 2015 Yeah. Its called the left side of the offensive line being decimated in May. Plus a new center. Plus a new head coach having no allegiance to any specific running back which means Montee Ball/Ronnie Hillman have a legitimate chance to earn reps. Not saying he's not the best option, but to me Anderson is the number one player I have red-flagged for regression this upcoming season 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lesjroza 70 Posted June 18, 2015 I do not think he will win the rushing title. If he stays healthy all year he has a chance at top ten in rushing yards, Monte Ball will be involved like it or not. I don't think CJ gets true feature RB duties and that may be for the best anyway, better chance of staying healthy and fresh all year. Solid RB1 for sure............. but rushing title, No. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vikings4ever 496 Posted June 18, 2015 Given the recent history with Denver backs, I'd rather chance Ball in the 11th than Anderson in the early second. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,459 Posted June 18, 2015 No he will not win the rushing title . To many other Rb on the team and just like already spoken about their Oline is beat up . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Super Cubs 132 Posted June 18, 2015 put me down as a no also for the reasons already mentioned Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Football Guru 211 Posted June 19, 2015 Kubiak..Manning warring down...C.J.s production last year...Balanced team...schedual...C.Js motivation... blocker..receiver...am I missing anything that implies that he's NOT going to go off this year? I seem to be a bit more confident than most of the people that have responded to this point. I'm not sure I smell rushing title, but I'd probably put him among my top 5-6 candidates. It's a big deal that Kubiak was able to bring along OC Rick Dennison, who has basically been at Kubiak's side since 2010 (with a long history together before that) and made his name as getting the most out of his offensive lines. If I recall, Baltimore didn't exactly have a well-respected offensive line entering last year and Justin Forsett did pretty good (although I realize Dennison was the QB coach, it was Kubiak's offense). When the two were together in Houston, their offense made Arian Foster and Ben Tate both look good if not great. I think Ball and Hillman ultimately steal enough touches that Anderson won't have the carries necessary to win the rushing title, but I don't think it will be RBBC either. Anderson had some "Beast Mode" runs last year that really caught my eye and I'd be surprised if Kubiak doesn't feel the same way at the end of August. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stonewall 647 Posted June 19, 2015 Pssssst......He is gonna beast this year. However, thread titles such as this are not helpful to his redraft value. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrG 94 Posted June 19, 2015 Optimistic for a Top 10 finish, but this team is 1 Peyton Manning or D.Thomas injury away from oblivion. Can Kubiak/Dennison work magic in 1 training camp? Manning to adopt their offensive philosophy vs. his own? We saw the growing pains Eli Manning had with McAdoo in NY. Haven't looked at Denver's early season schedule, but I these questions will be answered earlier in the preseason. The other thing that dogged Kubiak in Houston was late-season injuries. His teams tended to start out strong and then faded ... Was playing on turf, don't know. I seem to recall Denver having a tougher strength of schedule this year and no Orange Julius. CJ did break off some impressive runs last year. How much of it was fresh legs? TBD Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Football Guru 211 Posted June 19, 2015 Optimistic for a Top 10 finish, but this team is 1 Peyton Manning or D.Thomas injury away from oblivion. Can Kubiak/Dennison work magic in 1 training camp? Manning to adopt their offensive philosophy vs. his own? We saw the growing pains Eli Manning had with McAdoo in NY. Haven't looked at Denver's early season schedule, but I these questions will be answered earlier in the preseason. The other thing that dogged Kubiak in Houston was late-season injuries. His teams tended to start out strong and then faded ... Was playing on turf, don't know. I seem to recall Denver having a tougher strength of schedule this year and no Orange Julius. CJ did break off some impressive runs last year. How much of it was fresh legs? TBD All I know is that I like it when a player comes in a bit lighter than what he was during his breakout season and it doesn't hurt when Peyton Manning says "if you talk to him, you think he's like a 12-year veteran starter". It tells me he is focused and knows the opportunity he has in front of him. FWIW, I like reading KC Joyner from time to time and happened to come across this on Twitter: http://espn.go.com/fantasy/football/story/_/id/13006582/why-denver-broncos-running-back-cj-anderson-no-1-fantasy-football Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
e-factor 13 Posted June 19, 2015 I may not think he is going to win the rushing title, but it sure as hell wouldn't shock me either. Talent, can pass block, good receiver and has the support of Peyton, so he will be on the field a lot. I don't think Ball is any more of a threat that any other back up running back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,459 Posted June 19, 2015 its also about the Oline , last season when Hill took over for four games he avg 4.7 yards per carry . Now he is not the talent Anderson is , but that has a lot to do with the Oline that is on paper not as good as last season . Also I see on some depth charts that they list Hillman number two over Ball . If they can't run the ball because they can't block to open holes , they still have Manning and lots of talent at the WR postion. i can't wait to see them play in preseason to see what they are doing . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrG 94 Posted June 20, 2015 Kubiak has worked magic before and Peyton has been good for running backs dating back to Joseph Addai. Yes there is 'home run potential', but I would stand by original comments. I think we'll have a hint partway through pre-season and CJ'S stock will rise/fall accordingly. Doug, thanks for the KC Joinder reference. Am always looking for good writing that has well-reasoned thought behind it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
remote controller 133 Posted June 20, 2015 Given the recent history with Denver backs, I'd rather chance Ball in the 11th than Anderson in the early second. Or draft them both and be a rock star! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
remote controller 133 Posted June 20, 2015 No he will not win the rushing title . To many other Rb on the team and just like already spoken about their Oline is beat up . Now I'm good.....weepaws has spoken! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
giraldi02 470 Posted June 20, 2015 Let's band together and drop his ADP by a full round gents. There is still work to be done!! Booooo(urns) CJ Anderson! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
R8RMick 242 Posted June 21, 2015 Offensive line is a mess, and I actually don't trust Peyton to stay healthy this year which of course almost ruins the fantasy value of all Broncos. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Football Guru 211 Posted June 21, 2015 Offensive line is a mess, and I actually don't trust Peyton to stay healthy this year which of course almost ruins the fantasy value of all Broncos. There you go Giraldi! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Nice 40 Posted June 27, 2015 They will lean on the run more. Yes he will win the rushing title and win YOU a fantasy championship. Dude is a stud, combine that with kubiak, and the possibilities are endless 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stonewall 647 Posted June 27, 2015 They will lean on the run more. Yes he will win the rushing title and win YOU a fantasy championship. Dude is a stud, combine that with kubiak, and the possibilities are endless shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skinny_Bastard 154 Posted July 6, 2015 I'm a buy. I think CJ will have a great year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lesjroza 70 Posted July 6, 2015 I'm a buy. I think CJ will have a great year. All good, not sure anyone disagrees though............. Title of the thread is do you think he wins the rushing title? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,459 Posted July 6, 2015 Agree he will have a great season , but I say no he won't win the rushing title . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skinny_Bastard 154 Posted July 6, 2015 All good, not sure anyone disagrees though............. Title of the thread is do you think he wins the rushing title? No. I think ADP wins the rushing title. I have ADP as the top back this year. He's going to give a total "FU" all performance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 1,652 Posted July 7, 2015 No. I think ADP wins the rushing title. I have ADP as the top back this year. He's going to give a total "FU" all performance. Or maybe the vikes realize they Have an all around solid back in mckinnon and mix him in more. I think AP will have a very good year, mckinnon will probably take more carries than people realize however. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,459 Posted July 7, 2015 Agree about McKinnon and his 4.7 yards per carry last season Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
swirvenirvin 25 Posted July 7, 2015 Given the recent history with Denver backs, I'd rather chance Ball in the 11th than Anderson in the early second. Not me, I think he is first round value and should produce huge. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
swirvenirvin 25 Posted July 7, 2015 No. I think ADP wins the rushing title. I have ADP as the top back this year. He's going to give a total "FU" all performance. Too many miles on him for that to happen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tanatastic 2,061 Posted July 7, 2015 Too many miles on him for that to happenSame miles that were on him last year when he was the no.1 RB on many boards. Haven't we learned not to underestimate AP? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
swirvenirvin 25 Posted July 7, 2015 Same miles that were on him last year when he was the no.1 RB on many boards. Haven't we learned not to underestimate AP? there has been one RB ever with over 2100 touches to put together a great season and that was LT. Historically 4% of RB over 2100 touches have finsihed as a RB1. AP should be able to finish as a top 12 back, but no way I am taking him #1 based on the amount of touches he has. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,459 Posted July 7, 2015 Now that's a very interesting stat thanks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
remote controller 133 Posted July 7, 2015 He is a definite target of mine this year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
c.hammer 6 Posted July 7, 2015 Vikes have both AP and McKinnon till 2017. I'd imagine they'll ride AP till his wheels fall off and keep McKinnon fresh and his value low until they resign him Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 1,652 Posted July 7, 2015 Vikes have both AP and McKinnon till 2017. I'd imagine they'll ride AP till his wheels fall off and keep McKinnon fresh and his value low until they resign him I really dont see that happening. AP is owed $15 mill next year and $18 mill the year after. A team would be pretty stupid to pay that much to a 32 year old rb with a ton of carries. None of his contract is guaranteed any more either. Mckinnon is good enough to dump AP after this year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Nice 40 Posted July 7, 2015 They will ride AD hard this year for a huge year then trade him for something next year. Mckinnon wont see more than 4-5 touches a game when ad needs a rest. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lesjroza 70 Posted July 8, 2015 They will ride AD hard this year for a huge year then trade him for something next year. Mckinnon wont see more than 4-5 touches a game when ad needs a rest. They will have the same problem trading him next year they had this year won't they? Nobody else is going to pay his contract let alone haver cap space. If they outright release him he probably goes somewhere else but they won't get much if anything in trade unless its some kind of rework then trade deal. 14.75 mil in 2016 16.75 in 2017 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maroon Bells 18 Posted July 8, 2015 Kubiak..Manning warring down...C.J.s production last year...Balanced team...schedual...C.Js motivation... blocker..receiver...am I missing anything that implies that he's NOT going to go off this year? You mean other than talent? Anderson reminds me of the half dozen or so other backs in Denver's history. Olandis Gary, Mike Anderson, Rueben Droughns. They have great seasons because they were in great situations, and then they just disappear because they were never that talented to begin with. I think CJ was in a great situation and he took advantage of it. I think he'll do well again this year (he should score a lot), but I question whether he has the speed, vision, power or make-ya-miss (read: talent) to consistently beat defenses who will be better prepared for him this season. JMO. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maroon Bells 18 Posted July 8, 2015 I really dont see that happening. AP is owed $15 mill next year and $18 mill the year after. A team would be pretty stupid to pay that much to a 32 year old rb with a ton of carries. None of his contract is guaranteed any more either. Mckinnon is good enough to dump AP after this year. A lot of what the Vikings do will depend on how well he does this year. If he continues to defy all reasonable laws of human physical limitation, then they may just continue to pay him. They can afford it. The uniqueness of the Vikings' situation is that so little of their cap is used by their QBs. And until it's time to pay Bridgewater (2018, at which time Peterson will be long gone) they will likely just keep paying Peterson's contract until he shows some sign of decline. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,459 Posted July 8, 2015 You mean other than talent? Anderson reminds me of the half dozen or so other backs in Denver's history. Olandis Gary, Mike Anderson, Rueben Droughns. They have great seasons because they were in great situations, and then they just disappear because they were never that talented to begin with. I think CJ was in a great situation and he took advantage of it. I think he'll do well again this year (he should score a lot), but I question whether he has the speed, vision, power or make-ya-miss (read: talent) to consistently beat defenses who will be better prepared for him this season. JMO. And weight issues if you read some of what has been written about him Share this post Link to post Share on other sites