Tyler Hilinski had CTE, "The brain of a 65-year-old" at time of suicide

[edjr 5,562]

 

 

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/23912205/washington-state-qb-tyler-hilinski-had-cte-parents-say

 

 

 

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

Parents have a good perspective on this one.

 

https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/wsu-quarterback-tyler-hilinski-had-signs-of-cte-at-suicide-family-says/

 

Despite Tyler’s CTE diagnosis, the Hilinskis say aren’t going to explicitly prohibit Ryan from playing football, but that they did a lot of research before they came to that conclusion.

 

“We got the results and didn’t just hand (Ryan)[brother] the results and say, ‘Read this,'” [Mother] Kym said. “We did a lot of research. Can it be tested in the living? It can’t. Is there a genetic or hereditary link? They’re not sure. So we had to find out as much information as we could and talk to experts and then let Ryan know.”

[dain11279 927]

I used to think you were coocoo for cocoa puffs Ed but if stories like this keep popping up you're right, football might cease to exist in the near future.

[edjr 5,562]

I used to think you were coocoo for cocoa puffs Ed but if stories like this keep popping up you're right, football might cease to exist in the near future.

 

21, starting QB for a major college, good looking. kills himself

[KSB2424 3,083]

What exactly does the brain of a 65 year old mean?

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

What exactly does the brain of a 65 year old mean?

 

It had a hole in it.

 

 

 

Too soon?

[Sho Nuff 719]

What exactly does the brain of a 65 year old mean?

HE Started pulling his pants up higher and wearing black socks with shorts while watching wheel of fortune and judge Judy?

[LOD01 188]

This pretty much confirms what I believe to be true. Some people can take shots to the head and won't develop CTE and others take shots and will. It's hereditary. It's in your genes o it isn't. It's the risk you take to play NFL football, make big $ and entertain me.

 

All the rule changes in the world won't stop this if you are susceptible to it.

[edjr 5,562]

This pretty much confirms what I believe to be true. Some people can take shots to the head and won't develop CTE and others take shots and will. It's hereditary. It's the risk you take to play NFL football, make big $ and entertain me.

 

All the rule changes in the world won't stop this if you are susceptible to it.

 

how much did Tyler make?

 

1 in what, 250 will make it as a pro?

[Drizzay 645]

They need to go back to leather helmets.

 

It can't be an immediate change, though. You have to wait until the players have spent their whole life playing with that gear, so they basically don't even know the game as it is today.

[edjr 5,562]

They need to go back to leather helmets.

 

It can't be an immediate change, though. You have to wait until the players have spent their whole life playing with that gear, so they basically don't even know the game as it is today.

 

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

This pretty much confirms what I believe to be true. Some people can take shots to the head and won't develop CTE and others take shots and will. It's hereditary. It's in your genes o it isn't. It's the risk you take to play NFL football, make big $ and entertain me.

 

All the rule changes in the world won't stop this if you are susceptible to it.

 

I still think that we do not know what causes CTE and I do think that the rule changes do help. Regardless of how many sub-concussive hits lead to CTE, having consistent, unnecessary hits to the head can't be good. We do need to do better in how we manage contact.

 

The biggest thing is that we have to be better at diagnosing a concussion, removing players immediately when one is received and only having players return to action after there is no risk for further damage as a result.

 

Many people call for the banning of youth football and that is a knee-jerk reaction to the issue. Many other activities have the same issue of concussions and return to play. But those special interest groups would rather ignore those. We can't bubble wrap our kids and sports are a great way to make them better people. We still have more to learn and study about these issues.

 

With all of that said, mental health and suicide are a big problem in society today. Better to focus on that portion of the issue because I have a strong feeling that Bourdain and Spade didn't play football.

[vuduchile 1,941]

We have our youth sports board meeting tonight to wrap baseball season and move on to football.

 

Ive been dreading this meeting because they want me to coach and help recruit kids.

 

My wife is still against my own boys playing, and Im leaning more in that direction every day.

 

Theres a fall baseball league just across the state line. Looks like thats what my boys will do instead.

 

Meanwhile, the HS, which put in a $1M artificial turf field 3 years ago found itself without enough kids to field a team this year.

 

So, they combined with a neighboring school, had to move up a class due to total enrollment. That lost them even more kids who didnt wanna play for a combined team and travel for practice half the time.

 

This last minute scramble also resulted in them getting a sh!t schedule with only 1 home game on that $1M field.

 

Football is basically dead here now. Theres no coming back from this.

[edjr 5,562]

 

I still think that we do not know what causes CTE and I do think that the rule changes do help. Regardless of how many sub-concussive hits lead to CTE, having consistent, unnecessary hits to the head can't be good. We do need to do better in how we manage contact.

 

The biggest thing is that we have to be better at diagnosing a concussion, removing players immediately when one is received and only having players return to action after there is no risk for further damage as a result.

 

Many people call for the banning of youth football and that is a knee-jerk reaction to the issue. Many other activities have the same issue of concussions and return to play. But those special interest groups would rather ignore those. We can't bubble wrap our kids and sports are a great way to make them better people. We still have more to learn and study about these issues.

 

With all of that said, mental health and suicide are a big problem in society today. Better to focus on that portion of the issue because I have a strong feeling that Bourdain and Spade didn't play football.

 

All NFL players still tackle leading with their heads, still looking for kill shots.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

They need to go back to leather helmets.

 

It can't be an immediate change, though. You have to wait until the players have spent their whole life playing with that gear, so they basically don't even know the game as it is today.

 

I always love this solution. Completely ignores the injuries and problems that were much bigger back when there were leather helmets. There is not a silver bullet out there that is going to fix the problem, although many people think that there is because we are such an instant gratification society now.

 

Keep the head out of the tackle, don't use the helmet as a weapon and limit unnecessary contact. Work on ways to address all of those and you will have movement. Interestingly enough, the NFL is working on all of these and catching crap for it.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

 

All NFL players still tackle leading with their heads, still looking for kill shots.

 

Not all, but many still do. It will take a while for players to adjust to new techniques, rules, and enforcement.

[edjr 5,562]

 

Not all, but many still do. It will take a while for players to adjust to new techniques, rules, and enforcement.

 

when in any of these guys lives of the current crop of players, did they teach to lead with the head when tackling?

[RLLD 3,455]

I think football will continue, but they will have to come up with post-career programs that will be REALLY expensive.

[LOD01 188]

 

how much did Tyler make?

 

1 in what, 250 will make it as a pro?

That's not the point. The point is, he was a mushmellon before he even got to the NFL. Less that a decade of football and his brain was toast. Other people can be hit repeatedly and never get CTE.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

 

when in any of these guys lives of the current crop of players, did they teach to lead with the head when tackling?

 

Heads up tackling is still relatively new and certainly more pervasive than it once was. There are also many coaches at all levels who aren't good at teaching.

 

The biggest issue with coaching tackling is if you are letting it happen, then you are teaching it. Instinctively, people lead with their head when making tackles (and blocking). You have to teach them to keep the head completely out of the tackle. Heck, my son's high school coaches were teaching him how to rugby style tackle and his head was in front of an angle tackle. I told him to not listen to the coaches and go with how he was taught before (head behind).

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

We have our youth sports board meeting tonight to wrap baseball season and move on to football.

 

Ive been dreading this meeting because they want me to coach and help recruit kids.

 

My wife is still against my own boys playing, and Im leaning more in that direction every day.

 

Theres a fall baseball league just across the state line. Looks like thats what my boys will do instead.

 

Meanwhile, the HS, which put in a $1M artificial turf field 3 years ago found itself without enough kids to field a team this year.

 

So, they combined with a neighboring school, had to move up a class due to total enrollment. That lost them even more kids who didnt wanna play for a combined team and travel for practice half the time.

 

This last minute scramble also resulted in them getting a sh!t schedule with only 1 home game on that $1M field.

 

Football is basically dead here now. Theres no coming back from this.

 

Who would his coaches be for football? Do you trust them with your son's safety? If the answer is "no", then it is an easy one.

 

How old is your son? Many people think that kids should not play tackle football until they are older (12+). I think that the opposite is true. I would rather have my son learn how to block and tackle when he is smaller (and the other players are smaller) to get better acclimated and to start to build that aggressive nature with less forceful situations. I worry that kids trying to start playing at the high school level will have serious safety problems because:

1. HS coaches don't teach tackling fundamentals. By the time they get kids, it is X's and O's.

2. HS kids who have been playing for a while know what they are doing and are more dangerous for kids who don't know what they are doing (larger skill gap)

3. HS kids are bigger and faster resulting in more force during collisions

[vuduchile 1,941]

 

Who would his coaches be for football? Do you trust them with your son's safety? If the answer is "no", then it is an easy one.

 

How old is your son? Many people think that kids should not play tackle football until they are older (12+). I think that the opposite is true. I would rather have my son learn how to block and tackle when he is smaller (and the other players are smaller) to get better acclimated and to start to build that aggressive nature with less forceful situations. I worry that kids trying to start playing at the high school level will have serious safety problems because:

1. HS coaches don't teach tackling fundamentals. By the time they get kids, it is X's and O's.

2. HS kids who have been playing for a while know what they are doing and are more dangerous for kids who don't know what they are doing (larger skill gap)

3. HS kids are bigger and faster resulting in more force during collisions

If my son played, Id be the coach. But I cant coach my brand of football in todays world. I could probably adapt, but it would be a steep learning curve, and Im not sure Id wanna be a part of it.

 

To be good at football, you have to be aggressive, fearless and have a bit of a mean streak. Its hard to develop all that while preaching safety.

 

As Ive said before, the bigger issue here is the size disparity between 7-9 yr olds and 10-12 yr olds.

 

The community isnt large enough to group teams by weight class, as they should be.

 

I started playing tackle at 12. Worked out ok for me.

[Alias Detective 1,179]

Couple takeaways.

 

What if every person who ever had a concussion had CTE?

 

It is a great relief for a parent to "blame CTE" for what may not have been CTE related.

 

Anyway, I'm curious how many people tested for CTE have not been diagnosed as having it.

[Alias Detective 1,179]

If my son played, Id be the coach. But I cant coach my brand of football in todays world. I could probably adapt, but it would be a steep learning curve, and Im not sure Id wanna be a part of it.

To be good at football, you have to be aggressive, fearless and have a bit of a mean streak. Its hard to develop all that while preaching safety.

As Ive said before, the bigger issue here is the size disparity between 7-9 yr olds and 10-12 yr olds.

The community isnt large enough to group teams by weight class, as they should be.

I started playing tackle at 12.

 

 

 

Worked out ok for me.

How do you know? Let's say you kill yourself. Will you be tested for CTE? Or is the only reserve for high profile athletes?

[edjr 5,562]

How do you know? Let's say you kill yourself. Will you be tested for CTE? Or is the only reserve for high profile athletes?

 

[vuduchile 1,941]

How do you know? Let's say you kill yourself. Will you be tested for CTE? Or is the only reserve for high profile athletes?

I wasnt referring to the CTE. I was responding to Pats comments about why starting to play later could be a detriment.

 

Like everyone else, I have no idea if I have CTE, but Ive has several concussions and dozens of incidences of having my bell rung.

 

Unless and until they find a way to diagnose it while Im still alive, Ill never know. Maybe Ill amend my will to make sure my brain gets donated for CTE testing. I had about 7 years exposure to repeated head trauma as a teen, so maybe they could learn something from it.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

Couple takeaways.

 

What if every person who ever had a concussion had CTE?

 

It is a great relief for a parent to "blame CTE" for what may not have been CTE related.

 

Anyway, I'm curious how many people tested for CTE have not been diagnosed as having it.

 

 

Well, add to the fact that many of the people testing for CTE have multi-million dollar business as a result. Chris Nowinski was one of the big proponents for CTE testing and has a whole foundation supporting research. He has since distanced himself from Dr. Bennet Omalu and many speculate that is because the WWE gives him $2.7M per year for his research foundation.

 

It could be that you get the chemicals showing as part of CTE when you die or it could be that 90% of the population has it when they die. We have not had broad enough studies to know and any wild reactions are premature.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

If my son played, Id be the coach. But I cant coach my brand of football in todays world. I could probably adapt, but it would be a steep learning curve, and Im not sure Id wanna be a part of it.

 

To be good at football, you have to be aggressive, fearless and have a bit of a mean streak. Its hard to develop all that while preaching safety.

 

How do you know that? I know guys who do just that in today's world and are successful.

 

 

As Ive said before, the bigger issue here is the size disparity between 7-9 yr olds and 10-12 yr olds.

The community isnt large enough to group teams by weight class, as they should be.

 

 

 

How old is your son and what would be the ages that he had to play against? Those are big factors.

 

I started playing tackle at 12. Worked out ok for me.

 

I never said that it wouldn't work. I said that it is easier for kids to learn when there is less force. There are guys that can start playing junior year of HS if they are good enough athletes. However, I have seen plenty of kids who started to play in HS and it never clicked for them.

[wiffleball 4,639]

What have I told you people from the get-go about all of this?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No, seriously I'm asking. I know I said something... I before E except after concussion now that can't be right. Always swim 30 minutes... no that's not right. A penny saved is waste of time, no that's not it....

[wiffleball 4,639]

No seriously, what I said from the get-go is this is bad science. It's confirmation bias and selection bias and I'm pretty sure Lenny bias but I'm not really sure how.

 

If all you're doing is looking at the guys who show symptoms beforehand and then really looking at their brains, that is clearly selection bias.

 

Where's the control group?

 

How do we know that the vice president of the yearbook Society doesn't have a similar-looking melon?

 

Don't show me the study where ninety-nine percent of NFL players who killed themselves have CTE. Show me study where you looked at a thousand brains at random and those who played in the NFL had a measurable and statistically significantly higher instance of CTE over those that never played a down in their life.

[supermike80 1,285]

No seriously, what I said from the get-go is this is bad science. It's confirmation bias and selection bias and I'm pretty sure Lenny bias but I'm not really sure how.

 

If all you're doing is looking at the guys who show symptoms beforehand and then really looking at their brains, that is clearly selection bias.

 

Where's the control group?

 

How do we know that the vice president of the yearbook Society doesn't have a similar-looking melon?

 

Don't show me the study where ninety-nine percent of NFL players who killed themselves have CTE. Show me study where you looked at a thousand brains at random and those who played in the NFL had a measurable and statistically significantly higher instance of CTE over those that never played a down in their life.

Fair point. A control group would help. And someone mentioned genetics. That's a good thought too.

 

Early onset altzheimers is for the most part caused by a defective gene. If you have it, you are 100% guaranteed to develop the disease.

 

We know What the gene is now and can test for it. However before we knew this, if that person played football, I bet the sport woukd have got the blame.

 

Not denying cte at all though