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#1 Reality

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Posted 11 October 2018 - 07:15 AM

Political correctness, we are catering to a small minority and it needs to stop..  Americans aren't on board, Twitter and social media aren't representative of America.

 

On social media, the country seems to divide into two neat camps: Call them the woke and the resentful. Team Resentment is manned—pun very much intended—by people who are predominantly old and almost exclusively white. Team Woke is young, likely to be female, and predominantly black, brown, or Asian (though white “allies” do their dutiful part). These teams are roughly equal in number, and they disagree most vehemently, as well as most routinely, about the catchall known as political correctness.

 

Reality is nothing like this. As scholars Stephen Hawkins, Daniel Yudkin, Miriam Juan-Torres, and Tim Dixon argue in a report published Wednesday, “Hidden Tribes: A Study of America’s Polarized Landscape,” most Americans don’t fit into either of these camps. They also share more common ground than the daily fights on social media might suggest—including a general aversion to PC culture.

 

The study was written by More in Common, an organization founded in memory of Jo Cox, the British MP who was murdered in the run-up to the Brexit referendum. It is based on a nationally representative poll with 8,000 respondents, 30 one-hour interviews, and six focus groups conducted from December 2017 to September 2018.

If you look at what Americans have to say on issues such as immigration, the extent of white privilege, and the prevalence of sexual harassment, the authors argue, seven distinct clusters emerge: progressive activists, traditional liberals, passive liberals, the politically disengaged, moderates, traditional conservatives, and devoted conservatives.

 
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According to the report, 25 percent of Americans are traditional or devoted conservatives, and their views are far outside the American mainstream. Some 8 percent of Americans are progressive activists, and their views are even less typical. By contrast, the two-thirds of Americans who don’t belong to either extreme constitute an “exhausted majority.” Their members “share a sense of fatigue with our polarized national conversation, a willingness to be flexible in their political viewpoints, and a lack of voice in the national conversation.”

Most members of the “exhausted majority,” and then some, dislike political correctness. Among the general population, a full 80 percent believe that “political correctness is a problem in our country.” Even young people are uncomfortable with it, including 74 percent ages 24 to 29, and 79 percent under age 24. On this particular issue, the woke are in a clear minority across all ages.

 

Youth isn’t a good proxy for support of political correctness—and it turns out race isn’t, either.

Whites are ever so slightly less likely than average to believe that political correctness is a problem in the country: 79 percent of them share this sentiment. Instead, it is Asians (82 percent), Hispanics (87percent), and American Indians (88 percent) who are most likely to oppose political correctness. As one 40-year-old American Indian in Oklahoma said in his focus group, according to the report:

It seems like everyday you wake up something has changed … Do you say Jew? Or Jewish? Is it a black guy? African-American? … You are on your toes because you never know what to say. So political correctness in that sense is scary.

The one part of the standard narrative that the data partially affirm is that African Americans are most likely to support political correctness. But the difference between them and other groups is much smaller than generally supposed: Three quarters of African Americans oppose political correctness. This means that they are only four percentage points less likely than whites, and only five percentage points less likely than the average, to believe that political correctness is a problem.

 
 

If age and race do not predict support for political correctness, what does? Income and education.

While 83 percent of respondents who make less than $50,000 dislike political correctness, just 70 percent of those who make more than $100,000 are skeptical about it. And while 87 percent who have never attended college think that political correctness has grown to be a problem, only 66 percent of those with a postgraduate degree share that sentiment.

Political tribe—as defined by the authors—is an even better predictor of views on political correctness. Among devoted conservatives, 97 percent believe that political correctness is a problem. Among traditional liberals, 61 percent do. Progressive activists are the only group that strongly backs political correctness: Only 30 percent see it as a problem.

 

So what does this group look like? Compared with the rest of the (nationally representative) polling sample, progressive activists are much more likely to be rich, highly educated—and white. They are nearly twice as likely as the average to make more than $100,000 a year. They are nearly three times as likely to have a postgraduate degree. And while 12 percent of the overall sample in the study is African American, only 3 percent of progressive activists are. With the exception of the small tribe of devoted conservatives, progressive activists are the most racially homogeneous group in the country.

 

One obvious question is what people mean by “political correctness.” In the extended interviews and focus groups, participants made clear that they were concerned about their day-to-day ability to express themselves: They worry that a lack of familiarity with a topic, or an unthinking word choice, could lead to serious social sanctions for them. But since the survey question did not define political correctness for respondents, we cannot be sure what, exactly, the 80 percent of Americans who regard it as a problem have in mind.

There is, however, plenty of additional support for the idea that the social views of most Americans are not nearly as neatly divided by age or race as is commonly believed. According to the Pew Research Center, for example, only 26 percent of black Americans consider themselves liberal. And in the More in Common study, nearly half of Latinos argued that “many people nowadays are too sensitive to how Muslims are treated,” wh

ile two in five African Americans agreed that “immigration nowadays is bad for America.”

 
 

In the days before “Hidden Tribes” was published, I ran a little experiment on Twitter, asking my followers to guess what percentage of Americans believe that political correctness is a problem in this country. The results were striking: Nearly all of my followers underestimated the extent to which most Americans reject political correctness. Only 6 percent gave the right answer. (When I asked them how people of color regard political correctness, their guesses were, unsurprisingly, even more wildly off.)

Obviously, my followers on Twitter are not a representative sample of America. But as their largely supportive feelings about political correctness indicate, they are probably a decent approximation for a particular intellectual milieu to which I also belong: politically engaged, highly educated, left-leaning Americans—the kinds of people, in other words, who are in charge of universities, edit the nation’s most important newspapers and magazines, and advise Democratic political candidates on their campaigns.

 

So the fact that we are so widely off the mark in our perception of how most people feel about political correctness should probably also make us rethink some of our other basic assumptions about the country.

It is obvious that certain elements on the right mock instances in which political correctness goes awry in order to win the license to spew outright racial hatred. And it is understandable that, in the eyes of some progressives, this makes anybody who dares to criticize political correctness a witting tool of—or a useful idiot for—the right. But that’s not fair to the Americans who feel deeply alienated by woke culture. Indeed, while 80 percent of Americans believe that political correctness has become a problem in the country, even more, 82 percent, believe that hate speech is also a problem.

It turns out that while progressive activists tend to think that only hate speech is a problem, and devoted conservatives tend to think that only political correctness is a problem, a clear majority of all Americans holds a more nuanced point of view: They abhor racism. But they don’t think that the way we now practice political correctness represents a promising way to overcome racial injustice.

 

The study should also make progressives more self-critical about the way in which speech norms serve as a marker of social distinction. I don’t doubt the sincerity of the affluent and highly educated people who call others out if they use “problematic” terms or perpetrate an act of “cultural appropriation.” But what the vast majority of Americans seem to see—at least according to the research conducted for “Hidden Tribes”—is not so much genuine concern for social justice as the preening display of cultural superiority.

 

For the millions upon millions of Americans of all ages and all races who do not follow politics with rapt attention, and who are much more worried about paying their rent than about debating the prom dress worn by a teenager in Utah, contemporary callout culture merely looks like an excuse to mock the values or ignorance of others. As one 57- year-old woman in Mississippi fretted:

The way you have to term everything just right. And if you don’t term it right you discriminate them. It’s like everybody is going to be in the know of what people call themselves now and some of us just don’t know. But if you don’t know then there is something seriously wrong with you.

 

The gap between the progressive perception and the reality of public views on this issue could do damage to the institutions that the woke elite collectively run. A publication whose editors think they represent the views of a majority of Americans when they actually speak to a small minority of the country may eventually see its influence wane and its readership decline. And a political candidate who believes she is speaking for half of the population when she is actually voicing the opinions of one-fifth is likely to lose the next election.

 

In a democracy, it is difficult to win fellow citizens over to your own side, or to build public support to remedy injustices that remain all too real, when you fundamentally misunderstand how they see the world.

 

 

https://www.theatlan...ectness/572581/

 

I'm stunned that the Atlantic ran this article, hats off to them.

 



#2 Ray Lewis's Limo Driver

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Posted 11 October 2018 - 07:20 AM

I see truth in this.

 

The SJW/PC/"Woke" people are going to be younger, mad at people who are more successful, demanding access to stuff they haven't earned, mistaking their "enlightenment" for wisdom, there is a difference.

 

Those not in this camp are the "do'ers", who wake up and bust their arse to provide for their family, or maybe just trying to get through the day, they don't have time to ponder worthless things like gender pronouns and such.

 

I think people busting their arse likely will be weary of hearing people whine, especially about things that have zero intrinsic value.


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#3 wiffleball

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Posted 11 October 2018 - 07:20 AM

Geez, do people even use PC's anymore?  


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Posted 11 October 2018 - 07:36 AM

The use of the acronym P.C. makes millenials feel threatened and want to go to their safe space.

BBC for the most part is pretty damn good.


#5 Voltaire

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Posted 11 October 2018 - 07:38 AM

Political correctness, we are catering to a small minority and it needs to stop..  Americans aren't on board, Twitter and social media aren't representative of America.

 

 

 

https://www.theatlan...ectness/572581/

 

I'm stunned that the Atlantic ran this article, hats off to them.

 

Maybe it will help the woke will wake up. I'd rather they all get put to sleep.


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#6 Kanil

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Posted 11 October 2018 - 03:32 PM

Maybe it will help the woke will wake up. I'd rather they all get put to sleep.

 

Are you ok?  Did you have a stroke mid-sentence?

 

 

Also, this thread is inappropriate.  I'm calling my congressperson.



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Posted 11 October 2018 - 04:47 PM

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#8 titans&bucs&bearsohmy!

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Posted 11 October 2018 - 05:16 PM

The bottom line? Most pc nazis do it for one reason.

So they can virtue signal and pretend to be superior to everyone else.

Its the same with the enviro nuts. The Bible thumpers. Even the gun nuts.

They are woke. Everyone else are sheep or evil.

#9 edjr

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Posted 11 October 2018 - 05:19 PM

Reality is nothing like this

 

 

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#10 Alias Detective

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Posted 11 October 2018 - 05:23 PM

Political correctness, we are catering to a small minority and it needs to stop..  Americans aren't on board, Twitter and social media aren't representative of America.
 

 
https://www.theatlan...ectness/572581/
 
I'm stunned that the Atlantic ran this article, hats off to them.


I’ll wait until Penn chimes in to tell me what to think before I make another reply.

#11 penultimatestraw

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Posted 11 October 2018 - 08:16 PM

I see truth in this.

 

The SJW/PC/"Woke" people are going to be younger, mad at people who are more successful, demanding access to stuff they haven't earned, mistaking their "enlightenment" for wisdom, there is a difference.

 

Those not in this camp are the "do'ers", who wake up and bust their arse to provide for their family, or maybe just trying to get through the day, they don't have time to ponder worthless things like gender pronouns and such.

 

I think people busting their arse likely will be weary of hearing people whine, especially about things that have zero intrinsic value.

That's not what the article says, Ray. It states just about everyone is fed up with PC culture, except a small subset of highly educated, wealthy liberal activists, who are mostly white. You don't believe those people attained their positions by busting their a$$?



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Posted 11 October 2018 - 08:19 PM

I’ll wait until Penn chimes in to tell me what to think before I make another reply.

At you service. For the record, I don't get very involved with PC stuff, but don't think it's helping, or hurting, much.



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Posted 11 October 2018 - 10:51 PM

I think it's fairly obvious that the next thing that needs to start facing a backlash like Facebook did is Twitter. You shouldn't be allowed to just throw random ###### out there and sit back and watch the resulting shitstorm. But that's exactly what me too does. In fairness, that's exactly what Trump does too.

It's a coward's form of communication. That's why all those nutty broads love it so much. They never get confronted on the ###### that they throw out there.

Making it even worse? 9 angry lesbians could say something on Twitter and their partner in crime, The Huffington Post would scream a banner headline about how the internet is outraged!!

It's gotta go.
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Posted 11 October 2018 - 10:55 PM

That's not what the article says, Ray. It states just about everyone is fed up with PC culture, except a small subset of highly educated, wealthy liberal activists, who are mostly white. You don't believe those people attained their positions by busting their a$$?

The Articles ###### wrong about highly educated. Do you honestly think Rose McGowan is highly educated? Do you honestly think most of Hollywood is highly educated?

Like we saw in that Crowder video last week, it's been my experience that it's the dim-witted ones who can't keep up in an intellectual or logical debate who instead deflect to 'he said a naughty word!'

Again, at least from my experience, it's the secretaries that are more pissed off about non-pc language than it is the actually accomplished intelligent women.
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Posted 11 October 2018 - 11:01 PM

Most people in Hollywood are born into wealth. It takes a lot of time and money to break into showbiz these days. The story of the hick getting off the bus and and waitressing until
She gets her big break is just that, a myth. Everytime you hear one of these Hollywood a-holes popping off hit their Wikipedia page and see where they grew up and and went to school. Almost all are born into priveledge.

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Posted 11 October 2018 - 11:04 PM

The Articles ###### wrong about highly educated. Do you honestly think Rose McGowan is highly educated? Do you honestly think most of Hollywood is highly educated?

Like we saw in that Crowder video last week, it's been my experience that it's the dim-witted ones who can't keep up in an intellectual or logical debate who instead deflect to 'he said a naughty word!'

Again, at least from my experience, it's the secretaries that are more pissed off about non-pc language than it is the actually accomplished intelligent women.

I didn't say I agree with the article  :dunno:

 

And Crowder isn't in a position to make anyone appear dimwitted, except his fans.



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Posted 11 October 2018 - 11:23 PM

Most people in Hollywood are born into wealth. It takes a lot of time and money to break into showbiz these days. The story of the hick getting off the bus and and waitressing until
She gets her big break is just that, a myth. Everytime you hear one of these Hollywood a-holes popping off hit their Wikipedia page and see where they grew up and and went to school. Almost all are born into priveledge.


Well which is it? It takes a lot of time and money to move into Show Business these days? Or almost all of them are born into wealth and privilege?

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the real answer is, Hollywood is never been so Rife with nepotism. Which makes sense given the coddling of children that goes on in the PC liberal World these days. And in the world in general these days.
Jesus, damn near every actor and actresses kid is now in Hollywood. Look at that freak show that Will Smith had. Jaden Smith? He doesn't even know what gender he is. And he was getting Prime movie rolls before we figured out he's a nutcase. Goldie Hawn, Ron Howard, it goes on and on and on.

Frickin ridiculous.
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Posted 12 October 2018 - 02:10 AM

The Articles ###### wrong about highly educated. Do you honestly think Rose McGowan is highly educated? Do you honestly think most of Hollywood is highly educated?

Like we saw in that Crowder video last week, it's been my experience that it's the dim-witted ones who can't keep up in an intellectual or logical debate who instead deflect to 'he said a naughty word!'

Again, at least from my experience, it's the secretaries that are more pissed off about non-pc language than it is the actually accomplished intelligent women.


It seems to me that most of the wackadoo SJW kooks I know are all highly educated. Almost all have graduate degrees.

Whereas virtually everybody I know without a degree is republican.

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Posted 12 October 2018 - 05:24 AM

Most people in Hollywood are born into wealth. It takes a lot of time and money to break into showbiz these days. The story of the hick getting off the bus and and waitressing until
She gets her big break is just that, a myth. Everytime you hear one of these Hollywood a-holes popping off hit their Wikipedia page and see where they grew up and and went to school. Almost all are born into priveledge.

 

Like the myth of strippers doing it to pay their tuition.


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Posted 12 October 2018 - 05:40 AM

If hot chicks cant get on TV and cant strip, how do they pay for college?

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#21 Ray Lewis's Limo Driver

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Posted 12 October 2018 - 05:49 AM

If hot chicks cant get on TV and cant strip, how do they pay for college?

 

We can make some.....arrangements.....   :bandana:


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Posted 12 October 2018 - 11:37 AM

Well which is it? It takes a lot of time and money to move into Show Business these days? Or almost all of them are born into wealth and privilege?

-&---------------

the real answer is, Hollywood is never been so Rife with nepotism. Which makes sense given the coddling of children that goes on in the PC liberal World these days. And in the world in general these days.
Jesus, damn near every actor and actresses kid is now in Hollywood. Look at that freak show that Will Smith had. Jaden Smith? He doesn't even know what gender he is. And he was getting Prime movie rolls before we figured out he's a nutcase. Goldie Hawn, Ron Howard, it goes on and on and on.

Frickin ridiculous.


Because they are born into wealth, they don't have to work and their parents have the time and money for classes and going from audition to audition, which are mostly in NY and LA. They can pay a tutor while the kid does all these things. Or if older they don't have to work after college, if they go.

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Posted 12 October 2018 - 11:38 AM

Well which is it? It takes a lot of time and money to move into Show Business these days? Or almost all of them are born into wealth and privilege?

-&---------------

the real answer is, Hollywood is never been so Rife with nepotism. Which makes sense given the coddling of children that goes on in the PC liberal World these days. And in the world in general these days.
Jesus, damn near every actor and actresses kid is now in Hollywood. Look at that freak show that Will Smith had. Jaden Smith? He doesn't even know what gender he is. And he was getting Prime movie rolls before we figured out he's a nutcase. Goldie Hawn, Ron Howard, it goes on and on and on.

Frickin ridiculous.

 

Wasn't it Goldie Hawn's daughter that got naked in Almost Famous?  I approve of this one.