Hardcore troubadour 12,552 Posted March 7, 2017 Seems like Ryan and the boys have some work to do. Trump isn't signing this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Filthy Fernadez 2,696 Posted March 7, 2017 Taxpayers are not funding abortions. HTH Does Planned Parenthood receive taxpayer dollars? Yes......a lot. Does Planned Parenthood perform abortions? Yes.....a lot. Are you retarded enough to think not a single dollar of taxpayer money is used in some way, shape or form to perform those abortions? Yes.....a lot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vuduchile 1,940 Posted March 7, 2017 Does Planned Parenthood receive taxpayer dollars? Yes......a lot. Does Planned Parenthood perform abortions? Yes.....a lot. Are you retarded enough to think not a single dollar of taxpayer money is used in some way, shape or form to perform those abortions? Yes.....a lot. We've gone round and round about this here. You're wasting your time. http://www.fftodayforums.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=463305&&page=7 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,552 Posted March 7, 2017 Does Planned Parenthood receive taxpayer dollars? Yes......a lot. Does Planned Parenthood perform abortions? Yes.....a lot. Are you retarded enough to think not a single dollar of taxpayer money is used in some way, shape or form to perform those abortions? Yes.....a lot. They actually think they are fooling people with their made up stats. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Filthy Fernadez 2,696 Posted March 7, 2017 If the clinic is maintained with taxpayer dollars in any form and they perform abortions, tax payer dollars are helping to fund abortions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cmh6476 748 Posted March 7, 2017 So I'm at USDA getting ready to have lunch with someone on the transition team and I'm talking to the security guard and he says you can go on up, they usually don't do that Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 540 Posted March 7, 2017 You said we all pay for people who go to the ER without insurance. I say that illegals are the biggest driver of that cost. Then I guess we should do something about illegals. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MTSkiBum 1,593 Posted March 7, 2017 I am not informed enough to have an opinion and I do not care enough to get informed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,552 Posted March 7, 2017 Trump is immune to any criticism if they send him garbage like this to sign. I say keep kicking it around while Obamacare crumbles and at some point congress, democrats included, will get something good done. If not screw it. It's still the democrats and Obamas legislation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Filthy Fernadez 2,696 Posted March 7, 2017 Then I guess we should do something about illegals. Won't that offend you meathead? Don't you cry at the thought of criminals actually facing consequences? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 540 Posted March 7, 2017 Won't that offend you meathead? Don't you cry at the thought of criminals actually facing consequences? It didn't offend me when Obama deported more illegals than any President in US history. Why would it offend me now? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 719 Posted March 7, 2017 Does Planned Parenthood receive taxpayer dollars? Yes......a lot. Does Planned Parenthood perform abortions? Yes.....a lot. Are you retarded enough to think not a single dollar of taxpayer money is used in some way, shape or form to perform those abortions? Yes.....a lot. Taxpayer funds are used for their many other services. They have shown as much many times. You are the one playing games with numbers and logic here which is quite funny. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 719 Posted March 7, 2017 We've gone round and round about this here. You're wasting your time. http://www.fftodayforums.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=463305&&page=7 He is wasting his time...because the facts support my thoughts in this and not his. There is zero evidence that PP uses taxpayer funds to pay for abortions. If any of you have that evidence...post it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 3,934 Posted March 7, 2017 I am not informed enough to have an opinion and I do not care enough to get informed. Considering it's a first draft it's probably not worth the time. I haven't researched it. The little bit I did read suggests it doesn't really attack costs which are the biggest drivers of the high prices for both health care and health insurance, so to me it doesn't seem like a great piece of legislation on it's face. But we'll see what comes to be as more information comes out and it moves forward towards being passed. I suspect it's just a starting point. How many permutations did Obummercare go through before they passed the POS? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Filthy Fernadez 2,696 Posted March 7, 2017 It didn't offend me when Obama deported more illegals than any President in US history. Why would it offend me now? So you now support kicking all the illegals out of the country? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iam90sbaby 2,118 Posted March 7, 2017 Taxpayer funds are used for their many other services. They have shown as much many times. You are the one playing games with numbers and logic here which is quite funny. Its like if I had $20 in my wallet, and I told my friend I needed to borrow money for something, but he said he will only lend it to me if I spend it on X... so he lends me the money, instead of spending his $20 on X, I spend mine and use his $20 for whatever I want... if that makes sense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Filthy Fernadez 2,696 Posted March 7, 2017 Taxpayer funds are used for their many other services. They have shown as much many times. You are the one playing games with numbers and logic here which is quite funny. Not me playing with numbers. If a clinic uses taxpayer money to rebuild a section of their space and then use that space at anytime (or ANY supplies and/or personnel) to perform abortions, taxpayer money funded abortions. Stay down or go fix me a sammich Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 719 Posted March 7, 2017 Its like if I had $20 in my wallet, and I told my friend I needed to borrow money for something, but he said he will only lend it to me if I spend it on X... so he lends me the money, instead of spending his $20 on X, I spend mine and use his $20 for whatever I want... if that makes sense. Do you have evidence they used taxpayer funds to find abortions. If you..or anyone did...this would have been settled long ago as that would be against the law. You all have nothing...as usual. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 719 Posted March 7, 2017 Not me playing with numbers. If a clinic uses taxpayer money to rebuild a section of their space and then use that space at anytime (or ANY supplies and/or personnel) to perform abortions, taxpayer money funded abortions. Stay down or go fix me a sammich Down? You whiff every time you try throwing a punch. Post some facts rather than speculation and wild theories. See my post above. You have nothing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
giraldi02 470 Posted March 7, 2017 Trump has already come out on Twitter stating that things like "across state lines" are going to be in "phase 2 and 3" of the roll out. The reason is because of the Byrd Rule. He doesn't have much of a choice to refute this bill. And it's clear this is being fast-tracked.Which...in a sense is a bit ironic. "we have to pass the bill to find out what's in it" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 719 Posted March 7, 2017 Trump has already come out on Twitter stating that things like "across state lines" are going to be in "phase 2 and 3" of the roll out. The reason is because of the Byrd Rule. He doesn't have much of a choice to refute this bill. And it's clear this is being fast-tracked. Which...in a sense is a bit ironic. "we have to pass the bill to find out what's in it" Yeah...they loved that quote (without even knowing what she was saying or the full context of the discussion...or even the full quote) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 540 Posted March 7, 2017 So you now support kicking all the illegals out of the country? Nope. All illegals committing violent crimes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,552 Posted March 7, 2017 Nope. All illegals committing violent crimes. So those record deportations Obama did were all violent criminals? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 540 Posted March 7, 2017 So those record deportations Obama did were all violent criminals? I don't know what his parameters were. I know he wasn't knocking on doors and tearing families apart. Isn't there a thread about this? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 719 Posted March 7, 2017 I don't know what his parameters were. I know he wasn't knocking on doors and tearing families apart. Isn't there a thread about this? Well why would he post in the relevant thread when he can continue to deflect from any current discussion? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vuduchile 1,940 Posted March 7, 2017 He is wasting his time...because the facts support my thoughts in this and not his. There is zero evidence that PP uses taxpayer funds to pay for abortions. If any of you have that evidence...post it. In your experience, which shampoo is most effective at sand removal? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 5,875 Posted March 7, 2017 When Trump said he was going to replace Obummercare with "something terrific" I assumed he himself had some idea of what that was. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Filthy Fernadez 2,696 Posted March 7, 2017 Nope. All illegals committing violent crimes. More wait and see while they drain our economy dry and drive up Health care costs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mobb_deep 917 Posted March 7, 2017 They should just let healthcare be 100% free market. Let doctors decide what they want to charge, and make them start competing. Less is more. That being said, at least the name is way better.. American HealthCare Act > ObamaCare Sounds good. "Oh no, I'm having a stroke...better find the best stroke dealer stat!" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Filthy Fernadez 2,696 Posted March 7, 2017 Down? You whiff every time you try throwing a punch. Post some facts rather than speculation and wild theories. See my post above. You have nothing. I post logic. Do you actually believe NO SUPPLIES NOR PERSONNEL funded by taxpayers are also used for abortions? They perform all manner of procedures there and you're a fool to think they have a special wing that is devoted only to abortions, staffed by personnel IN NO WAY financed with taxpayer funds and they don't share any of the same supplies. Wow........ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 540 Posted March 7, 2017 More wait and see while they drain our economy dry and drive up Health care costs. Are you going to pick crops in the hot sun for minimum wage? Or hang drywall when the boss may only need you for a week? They are a value. As long as they are obeying the law. (and yes, I realize they broke the law when they came here) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 540 Posted March 7, 2017 Gotta love hoe the board republitards have shoehorned immigration and abortion into a healthcare thread. LOL It's like they're preprogrammed robots. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,552 Posted March 7, 2017 Gotta love hoe the board republitards have shoehorned immigration and abortion into a healthcare thread. LOL It's like they're preprogrammed robots. Yes, because immigration, especially illegal immigration, has no affect on healthcare logistics and cost. Poor Newbie, can't hang Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimmySmith 2,782 Posted March 7, 2017 Think of 2 cafeterias. In one everyone is taken care by someone else. If you can't go in the 1st you go in the 2nd. In the 2nd, most of the people are subsidized by the others in there. But then they found out that there wasn't enough money to cover the food cost so they triple the price of a sandwich. Which, of course, has little bearing on those that are subsidized. So those that are paying start complaining about he price of a sandwich, and how the system isn't working. Then a bunch of whiny snowflakes, who are eating in 1st cafeteria and haven't ever even seen a bill for their food, start losing it, and instead of moving to the 2nd cafeteria and helping out, they just complain like the whiny snowflakes that they are. The end. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,552 Posted March 7, 2017 And in that story, Slonuff is the snowflake, right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Filthy Fernadez 2,696 Posted March 7, 2017 The left thinks there is a never endind stream of resources all provided by "those more fortunate" individuals. That somehow since someone is more successful they owe a greater portion of their money to society. "Those less fortunate" individuals are to be taken care of, regardless of how they live or how they spend their money. At some point, Atlas shrugs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,552 Posted March 7, 2017 The left thinks there is a never endind stream of resources all provided by "those more fortunate" individuals. That somehow since someone is more successful they owe a greater portion of their money to society. "Those less fortunate" individuals are to be taken care of, regardless of how they live or how they spend their money. At some point, Atlas shrugs. But the funny thing is, the uber rich are insulated form the costs of these programs. It's the middle class that ends up nearing the brunt of the cost. The very people they are supposed to be advocating for. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 540 Posted March 7, 2017 The left thinks there is a never endind stream of resources all provided by "those more fortunate" individuals. That somehow since someone is more successful they owe a greater portion of their money to society. "Those less fortunate" individuals are to be taken care of, regardless of how they live or how they spend their money. At some point, Atlas shrugs. If we do away the bullsh1t laws that make you and I pay more in taxes than Donald Trump does, then there would be plenty of money for military and healthcare. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Filthy Fernadez 2,696 Posted March 7, 2017 If we do away the bullsh1t laws that make you and I pay more in taxes than Donald Trump does, then there would be plenty of money for military and healthcare. Term limits is the answer. Get rid of 'a career in politics' so laws can actually be changed and tax reform can take place. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 540 Posted March 7, 2017 Term limits is the answer. Get rid of 'a career in politics' so laws can actually be changed and tax reform can take place. The rich will never raise taxes on the rich. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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