This years Dak...not stats, just out of nowhere QB

[RaiderHaters Revenge 3,566]

so looking around the league, last year, I tabbed Dak as the best rookie QB before the draft, I really liked him coming out of college, however nobody saw what he did coming at all.

 

This year I think that guy is CJ Bethard. Its easy to say Watson, Tribusky, even Mahomes (who I am really impressed by)

 

I think Bethard plays quite a bit this year, and performs pretty well.

 

This really isnt a fantasy thing though, just kinda putting it on paper

[Frozenbeernuts 1,652]

I'm going Trubisky

[LoOnAtIk 75]

DeShone Kizer.

[cotarice12 18]

I still think it's Watson.

[montana 89]

I'm going Trubisky

2nd

[tanatastic 2,061]

so looking around the league, last year, I tabbed Dak as the best rookie QB before the draft

Lol no you didn't.

I'm going Trubisky

Drafts second overall pick isn't out of nowhere, he's supposed to be good.

[montana 89]

Lol no you didn't.

Drafts second overall pick isn't out of nowhere, he's supposed to be good.

So was Ryan Leaf. LoL

[RaiderHaters Revenge 3,566]

Lol no you didn't.

Drafts second overall pick isn't out of nowhere, he's supposed to be good.

 

I did, I was all over the Chargers message board hoping they would select him in the 2nd round last year

 

I also went out on a huge limb in the past, and said Matt Ryan would be better than Jay Cutler

[kutulu 1,541]

Another good video from the film room about four of the rookie QBs... From earlier in the preseason

 

[Ray_T 587]

Dak's scouting report was actually a fair bit better.

 

for Dak, the knock on him was that he wasnt exceptionally good under pressure. Otherwise the skills were all good, and he could make all the throws.

 

I think Dak did well because he had a top O line that kept the pressure off of him and a top RB which also slowed the pass rush in a significant way thereby mitigating his greatest deficiency.

 

This kid has no such luxury and the report I saw suggests his deep ball accuracy is terrible.

 

That being said, he is probably best suited to a west coast offense (West coast offense doesnt do a lot of deep throws... it's mostly short to medium throws)

 

but he also has pocket awareness problems that will hurt him if he doesnt get that issue resolved. Otherwise, the report suggests hes a smart kid who knows where to go with the ball and such, so maybe with some coaching he could be an eventual starter in a west coast system (or a system with a top O line like Dak had)

 

Right now that does not exist in San Fran.

[Mr Neil 63]

Shanahan runs a ZBS which does a decent job of masking mediocre OLines. But you are right. I don't know any of there linemen by name

 

Dak's scouting report was actually a fair bit better.

 

for Dak, the knock on him was that he wasnt exceptionally good under pressure. Otherwise the skills were all good, and he could make all the throws.

 

I think Dak did well because he had a top O line that kept the pressure off of him and a top RB which also slowed the pass rush in a significant way thereby mitigating his greatest deficiency.

 

This kid has no such luxury and the report I saw suggests his deep ball accuracy is terrible.

 

That being said, he is probably best suited to a west coast offense (West coast offense doesnt do a lot of deep throws... it's mostly short to medium throws)

 

but he also has pocket awareness problems that will hurt him if he doesnt get that issue resolved. Otherwise, the report suggests hes a smart kid who knows where to go with the ball and such, so maybe with some coaching he could be an eventual starter in a west coast system (or a system with a top O line like Dak had)

 

Right now that does not exist in San Fran.

[Hawkeye21 1,848]

As a Bears fan I hope it's Trubisky and I really think he's pretty good but I don't think the Bears have to start him most of the year.

 

As an Iowa Hawkeye fan I really hope it's Beathard. It's been way too long since an Iowa QB was relevant in the NFL. Loved the Beathard to Kittle connection yesterday.

[TBayXXXVII 2,106]

Drafts second overall pick isn't out of nowhere, he's supposed to be good.

 

Yeah, I have to agree with this.

[Frozenbeernuts 1,652]

Lol no you didn't.

Drafts second overall pick isn't out of nowhere, he's supposed to be good.

There are many people who think he isn't going to be good

[seafoam1 1,878]

Lol no you didn't.

Drafts second overall pick isn't out of nowhere, he's supposed to be good.

Hes a rookie QB. Even if its andrew luck its still out of nowhere for a QB to be solid in year 1.

[Ray_T 587]

Hes a rookie QB. Even if its andrew luck its still out of nowhere for a QB to be solid in year 1.

I think I'm with Tanatastic on this.

 

if the QB was selected in the first round, he didnt come out of nowhere.

 

first round picks who are QB's are generally expected to be either a solid starter or a stud QB at the time they are drafted.

 

whether that happens in year 1, 2 or 3 of their career, it is expected.

[tanatastic 2,061]

There are many people who think he isn't going to be good

A few of you are missing my point. I'm saying the top taken qb is not "out of nowhere". Dak was, since he was a 4th rounder and not even supposed to be on the field.

[Frozenbeernuts 1,652]

A few of you are missing my point. I'm saying the top taken qb is not "out of nowhere". Dak was, since he was a 4th rounder and not even supposed to be on the field.

Glennon is the assumed starter

[tanatastic 2,061]

Glennon is the assumed starter

You are somehow still having a completely different conversation than me. I'm not concerned with Trubiskys details at all. Just reread my posts in this thread I guess, I donno.

[Ray_T 587]

Glennon is the assumed starter

The rookie is not often the assumed starter unless he's a top 5 pick. Even then, it does not always happen.

[bjsteel 34]

Cutler!

[RaiderHaters Revenge 3,566]

You are somehow still having a completely different conversation than me. I'm not concerned with Trubiskys details at all. Just reread my posts in this thread I guess, I donno.

 

I understand you completely and agree, the reason I mentioned Bethard, is cause quite frankly nobody really knows who he is, he wasnt highly rated by many, but he comes from a football family, calling Trubisky, Watson, Mahomes, even Kizer, doesnt really strike me as an out of nowhere

[Maroon Bells 18]

Watson is the obvious answer. He looks really good. And if he were on any other team, he'd be the guy. Problem is, Tom Savage is a lot better than most people think. And considering the fact that the Texans win with defense, I don't see him getting replaced any time soon.

[Antiramie 50]

If we're not including 1st round picks, then I think Kizer will have the best chance of success.

 

Opportunity: We all know about Osweiler, and there are already murmurs that Kizer will supplant Kessler as the #2...if he hasn't yet. Even if he doesn't, Osweiler won't last long, and Kessler was injury prone last season and hasn't looked great as of late. If Kizer doesn't play his way into a starting spot, he could easily Fitzmagic his way there. Plus, Kizer looked great his first preseason game. We should know even more tonight.

 

O-line: Many analysts have Cleveland ranked as having a top 5 OL going into the 2017 season. As evidenced with Dak, a rookie QB usually must have a solid line to perform well.

 

Weapons: Coleman, Britt, Crowell, Duke Johnson...middle of the road....probably enough to not hinder QB performance.

 

Schedule: A mixed bag throughout the season.

 

 

I just can't see Beathard coming in and succeeding right away. The opportunity may present itself if Hoyer goes down with an injury again (since Barkley is terrible). But the 49ers O-line is garbage, the offensive talent is pretty limited, and playing against the NFC West is really tough. Not to mention he was drafted 2-4 rounds ahead of his projection, whereas Dak was considered pro-ready when he came into the league.

[kilroy69 993]

Pat mahomes. Smith gets hurt early and mahomes is allowed to show off his cannon hooking​ up with hill like a drunk Alabama girl with her cousin. All the time.

[shutdown 40]

I haven't heard great reports, but I'd say if you are going with someone out of nowhere it would be Nathan Peterman. Buffalo is in firesale mode and if they could get rid of Taylor for something I think they would. Even if that doesn't happen, I wouldn't be surprised to seem Peterman play at some time this year, as Taylor is clearly not the QB this regime wants.

[DocNiner 44]

Being a 9ers fan I'd love to see BeathaRd come outta nowhere & put up good numbers. However, I think that may be a Longshot for him to accomplish. Hoyer & Barkley ahead of him so it might take quite a bit to get on the field.

 

My money is on Trubisky.

[Frozenbeernuts 1,652]

Being a 9ers fan I'd love to see BeathaRd come outta nowhere & put up good numbers. However, I think that may be a Longshot for him to accomplish. Hoyer & Barkley ahead of him so it might take quite a bit to get on the field.

 

My money is on Trubisky.

I agree. Trubisky

[TBayXXXVII 2,106]

If Trubisky is fantasy relevant this year, I'll be shocked.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 3,566]

The writing was on the wall for Barkley when third-round rookie C.J. Beathard played ahead of him in the Niners' second and third preseason games. Barkley had a quiet preseason, completing just 13-of-21 passes for 197 yards with no touchdowns or interceptions. With Barkley out of the mix, Beathard will open the year as the primary backup to Brian Hoyer in San Francisco.

 

one step closer

[polecatt 399]

I say Trubisky or Kizer but there may not be a good rookie QB this year, at least for fantasy purposes, not like Dak

[MTSkiBum 1,593]

Nobody, most years there is not a qb like dak.

[LoOnAtIk 75]

I really like what I saw from Mahomes last night... big arm could make a splash if he plays.

[gpann101 32]

Mahomes and Hunt will be Dak & Zeke 2.0

[Skinny_Bastard 154]

Blake Bortles

 

Fournette will help his game.

[minuteofdecay 5]

Christian Hackenberg

 

 

Your welcome.

[mighty_thor 115]

 

I did, I was all over the Chargers message board hoping they would select him in the 2nd round last year

 

I also went out on a huge limb in the past, and said Matt Ryan would be better than Jay Cutler

Huge limb on Matt Ryan? Matt Ryan never showed anything but star potential from the time he was starting at BC. Drafted number 3 in his draft class. Cutler was number 11 in his draft class.

[mighty_thor 115]

Mahomes has the sickest physical skills.

Undrafted rookie qb cooper rush has the sickest mental skills.

Trubisky has the best combination of mental and physical skills needed to be a star.

[brotherbock 349]

I don't know that Savage is as bad as a lot of people are saying he is. The right game plan could see him putting up numbers.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 3,566]

Huge limb on Matt Ryan? Matt Ryan never showed anything but star potential from the time he was starting at BC. Drafted number 3 in his draft class. Cutler was number 11 in his draft class.

 

yes and from day 1 especially around here, people were all over Cutler's jock.