Packers release Martellus Bennett

[rsmnutt 8]

Anyways.... Pats sign Bennett

[IMMensaMind 459]

His political views or any relationship between them and the Packers organization had no relevance to this topic.

Of course it does. Reports from Green Bay were that he was a disengaged cancer on the team; a troublemaker there only for the paycheck to fund his after football endeavors. His politics were a source of discord on the team, and - it appeared - particularly with McCarthy.

 

But since you're a child that can't keep his fingers out of the cookie jar, this was just another ill-timed opportunity for you to interject, smear someone, and spread your spiteful agenda.

Oh, can it, prog. You just interjected race into this; I was speaking - tongue-in-cheek, mind you - of his politics, and I mixed it with a funny about his 'medical condition'.

 

If you cannot laugh at "BLM knee", then you're simply an angry and stupid prog who lashes out yelling racecard constantly. That's what you are.

 

God forbid any thread relating to a black player that protested goes unscathed without one of you nuts having to put in their absolutely off-topic, abrasive $0.02.

 

Take your hate for whatever people you "despise" somewhere else so we can talk football, ######.

Sod off, crybaby.

[IMMensaMind 459]

Im not a humorless stick in the mud that cant handle quips and what not.

He says, while demonstrating in a ridiculous snit that he absolutely is a humorless stick in the mud that cannot handle quips and what not - because that's all my comment was.

 

But its the same people every time that continue to tirelessly debase the same people/groups. And in the end it always comes down to an inherent hatred for said people/groups. Its not a difference of opinion. Its an explicitly stated loathing, and it comes across extremely petulant.

The reports in Wisconsin is that politics did play a part in this; that the medical condition was just cover. You don't know what you're talking about.

 

My comment was humor. Your humorless intolerant response to it was petty.

[Antiramie 50]

Of course it does. Reports from Green Bay were that he was a disengaged cancer on the team; a troublemaker there only for the paycheck to fund his after football endeavors. His politics were a source of discord on the team, and - it appeared - particularly with McCarthy.

 

 

Oh, can it, prog. You just interjected race into this; I was speaking - tongue-in-cheek, mind you - of his politics, and I mixed it with a funny about his 'medical condition'.

 

If you cannot laugh at "BLM knee", then you're simply an angry and stupid prog who lashes out yelling racecard constantly. That's what you are.

 

 

Sod off, crybaby.

 

I'm not laughing at your jokes because they're terrible and hate-induced. You said it yourself...you hate specific people. And Bennett fits the mold. How you can think making a snide remark about someone that everyone in the building knows you despise is anything more than a thinly-veiled vilification, let alone comedy, is asinine. Eventually, beating a dead horse loses its entertainment value...if there ever was any in the first place. Unless you're just pandering to your fellow haters...

 

Pardon my hyperbole, but it's like being a Nazi-sympathizer and saying your joke about a Jewish person was all in good fun. Sorry, but once you've established your extremely negative, critical stance toward a certain group of people, you can't have your cake and eat it too.

[Mike FF Today 607]

FYI - you guys are very close to having your accounts removed. I'd suggest you take your off-topic pissing match somewhere else.

[weepaws 2,451]

I thought I read where Bennett said he was going to retire after this season.

 

So now he signs back with the Patriots.

 

So if the Eagles let Blount go guess where he goes?

 

Let the rebuilding during the season begin.

 

That Bill he's a genus.

[brotherbock 349]

I thought I read where Bennett said he was going to retire after this season.

 

So now he signs back with the Patriots.

 

So if the Eagles let Blount go guess where he goes?

 

Let the rebuilding during the season begin.

 

That Bill he's a genus.

 

And now apparently he's saying that he left because the Packers' team doc was "pressuring me to play", when Bennett wanted to get surgery for his shoulder instead.

 

So...he leaves, and then signs with NE to keep playing?

 

Yeah. Your story checks out, Unicorn. :/

[Ray_T 587]

 

And now apparently he's saying that he left because the Packers' team doc was "pressuring me to play", when Bennett wanted to get surgery for his shoulder instead.

 

So...he leaves, and then signs with NE to keep playing?

 

Yeah. Your story checks out, Unicorn. :/

Someone correct me if I'm wrong.... I dont think he signed with the pats.

 

didnt the pats pick him up off of waivers?

 

not the same thing.

[brotherbock 349]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong.... I dont think he signed with the pats.

 

didnt the pats pick him up off of waivers?

 

not the same thing.

 

He signed. Got a number and everything. He was at practice.

[Ray_T 587]

 

He signed. Got a number and everything. He was at practice.

for some reason I got the impression he was a waiver wire pickup.

 

I was clearly too lazy to look it up.

 

my bad.

[brotherbock 349]

for some reason I got the impression he was a waiver wire pickup.

 

I was clearly too lazy to look it up.

 

my bad.

 

Well, he was. They claimed him off waivers. But then they signed him and gave him a jersey.

 

(I mean, technically you're right if by 'signing' you mean 'free agent signing'. He was picked up off waivers. But my point is that he reported, signed the new contract, and went to practice.)

[Ray_T 587]

 

Well, he was. They claimed him off waivers. But then they signed him and gave him a jersey.

 

(I mean, technically you're right if by 'signing' you mean 'free agent signing'. He was picked up off waivers. But my point is that he reported, signed the new contract, and went to practice.)

so they renegotiated the existing contract (for whatever reason)

 

ok.

 

likely he signed for less money but got to play with the Pats.

[brotherbock 349]

so they renegotiated the existing contract (for whatever reason)

 

ok.

 

likely he signed for less money but got to play with the Pats.

 

Actually, I've been looking since posting that, and I can't find actual evidence that they did work a new contract. So I might have been wrong on that one.

 

But my main point is that he was practicing and apparently getting ready to play, after claiming he left the Packers because they wanted him to keep playing when he wanted to stop.

[IGotWorms 3,297]

 

Actually, I've been looking since posting that, and I can't find actual evidence that they did work a new contract. So I might have been wrong on that one.

 

But my main point is that he was practicing and apparently getting ready to play, after claiming he left the Packers because they wanted him to keep playing when he wanted to stop.

Maybe the Pats didnt know he didnt want to play before they picked him up off waivers.

 

Seems unlikely, but on the other hand it wouldve been tampering to talk to him before GB waived him. Although once theyre on waivers I assume you can talk to the player?

 

Guess well just have to see what happens.

[Ray_T 587]

Maybe the Pats didnt know he didnt want to play before they picked him up off waivers.

 

Seems unlikely, but on the other hand it wouldve been tampering to talk to him before GB waived him. Although once theyre on waivers I assume you can talk to the player?

 

Guess well just have to see what happens.

I am pretty sure that once you are on waivers, the team to place them on waiver forfeits all the rights that come with having a player under contract. So any other team can do whatever research or due diligence they need to do because once they put in the claim, they take possession of the contract that was signed and the original team has no further obligation to that player in terms of salary.

[Antiramie 50]

I mean as far as risk/reward its ultimately up to Bennett to decide whats best for him. Maybe surgery was a 50/50 decision and he thought after Rodgers went down that the team wasnt going anywhere so he chose to fix his shoulder sooner than later, and the organization thought otherwise. And then when the Pats claimed him he decided it was worth risking further injury to get another ring. I mean yea it reeks of front-running and not being as hopeful with the Packers compared to the Pats, but he wouldnt be the first athlete to risk his body to chase another championship. Or maybe he just didnt want to play for the Packers anymore this season....who knows. I dont think his statement necessarily makes him a liar though.

[brotherbock 349]

I mean as far as risk/reward its ultimately up to Bennett to decide whats best for him. Maybe surgery was a 50/50 decision and he thought after Rodgers went down that the team wasnt going anywhere so he chose to fix his shoulder sooner than later, and the organization thought otherwise. And then when the Pats claimed him he decided it was worth risking further injury to get another ring. I mean yea it reeks of front-running and not being as hopeful with the Packers compared to the Pats, but he wouldnt be the first athlete to risk his body to chase another championship. Or maybe he just didnt want to play for the Packers anymore this season....who knows. I dont think his statement necessarily makes him a liar though.

 

I don't want to call him a liar either. I actually have always liked Bennett. I'm just saying his story smells fishy given the fact that he hasn't decided to have surgery in the end. How badly did he really want to stop playing? Not very.

 

John Kuhn has come out in support of the doctor, and a number of players have now said that Bennett "quit on the team" in recent weeks.

 

Likely the notion that he wasn't happy about playing for a going-nowhere team is the correct one. And as has been said...that's reasonably understandable.

[Antiramie 50]

 

I don't want to call him a liar either. I actually have always liked Bennett. I'm just saying his story smells fishy given the fact that he hasn't decided to have surgery in the end. How badly did he really want to stop playing? Not very.

 

John Kuhn has come out in support of the doctor, and a number of players have now said that Bennett "quit on the team" in recent weeks.

 

Likely the notion that he wasn't happy about playing for a going-nowhere team is the correct one. And as has been said...that's reasonably understandable.

Yea, whether hes unhappy with the team or not, he has every right to decide if he wants to have surgery IF that was a viable option. Now if he was just bluffing to try and get released or would have actually gone through with it is the million dollar question. But once the team releases him and he gets claimed by the Pats, he has every right to reevaluate the surgery decision again. Its crazy to treat both situations with different teams the same and say just because he said/did this before means he has to do it again now. Again, could it come across like he quit on the team, especially since it was right around the time Rodgers went down? Sure. But everyone in football was talking about how GB was a lost cause at that point, and Bennett was talking retirement anyway. So yea maybe not going down with the ship was disloyal, but this is possibly his last season anyway so he probably didnt care lol.

[brotherbock 349]

Yea, whether hes unhappy with the team or not, he has every right to decide if he wants to have surgery if that was a viable option. Now if he was just bluffing to try and get released or would have actually gone through with it is the million dollar question. But once the team releases him and he gets claimed by the Pats, he has every right to reevaluate the surgery decision again. Its crazy to treat both situations with different teams the same and say just because he said/did this before means he has to do it again now. Again, could it come across like he quit on the team, especially since it was right around the time Rodgers went down? Sure. But everyone in football was talking about how GB was a lost cause at that point, and Bennett was talking retirement anyway. So yea maybe not going down with the ship was disloyal, but this is possivly his last season anyway so who cares.

 

Well, I think the doctor who's reputation he's talking about might care.

 

He totally has the right to reevaluate. Like I said, just casts some doubt on the story.

 

I mean, let's be honest--if the team doctor has followed the season at all...would it matter if Bennett kept playing? He hasn't done jack. Here's a guy saying he's injured, but he hasn't done anything for the team all season anyway. He says he wants surgery. And you say..."No, you have to keep playing." Why? Fine dude, go.

[Ray_T 587]

Yea, whether hes unhappy with the team or not, he has every right to decide if he wants to have surgery IF that was a viable option. Now if he was just bluffing to try and get released or would have actually gone through with it is the million dollar question. But once the team releases him and he gets claimed by the Pats, he has every right to reevaluate the surgery decision again. Its crazy to treat both situations with different teams the same and say just because he said/did this before means he has to do it again now. Again, could it come across like he quit on the team, especially since it was right around the time Rodgers went down? Sure. But everyone in football was talking about how GB was a lost cause at that point, and Bennett was talking retirement anyway. So yea maybe not going down with the ship was disloyal, but this is possibly his last season anyway so he probably didnt care lol.

I suspect (note this is unconfirmed) that he was not liking the way things were going in Green Bay.

 

Perhaps he had the injury and was playing through it.

 

I suspect something happened and he was not getting along with management, and then decided he didnt want to play through the injury anymore.

 

Not that he couldnt.... he just didnt want to. Then he likely informed the team that it was bad to a point where he wanted to shut down the season, and the team released him.

 

maybe this was Bennetts goal all along. Maybe he got to the point where he didnt care. It's not like the team was winning and he had a shot at winning a super bowl, so why put his body on the line?

 

but in New England, he has a chance to win another one... why not put his body on the line for that?

 

I'm not saying this is what happened, but It would not surprise me if it's close to the truth.

[Antiramie 50]

I suspect (note this is unconfirmed) that he was not liking the way things were going in Green Bay.

 

Perhaps he had the injury and was playing through it.

 

I suspect something happened and he was not getting along with management, and then decided he didnt want to play through the injury anymore.

 

Not that he couldnt.... he just didnt want to. Then he likely informed the team that it was bad to a point where he wanted to shut down the season, and the team released him.

 

maybe this was Bennetts goal all along. Maybe he got to the point where he didnt care. It's not like the team was winning and he had a shot at winning a super bowl, so why put his body on the line?

 

but in New England, he has a chance to win another one... why not put his body on the line for that?

 

I'm not saying this is what happened, but It would not surprise me if it's close to the truth.

Yea thats essentially what I was getting at.

 

Packers minus Rodgers - Ok surgery time

 

Pats claimed me - Ok Ill try and play through it

[Ray_T 587]

Yea thats essentially what I was getting at.

 

Packers minus Rodgers - Ok surgery time

 

Pats claimed me - Ok Ill try and play through it

in a nutshell... yes.

 

I'm sure its more complicated than that, but I'm guessing the primary motovations are right here.

[IMMensaMind 459]

I suspect (note this is unconfirmed) that he was not liking the way things were going in Green Bay.

 

Perhaps he had the injury and was playing through it.

 

I suspect something happened and he was not getting along with management, and then decided he didnt want to play through the injury anymore.

 

Not that he couldnt.... he just didnt want to. Then he likely informed the team that it was bad to a point where he wanted to shut down the season, and the team released him.

 

maybe this was Bennetts goal all along. Maybe he got to the point where he didnt care. It's not like the team was winning and he had a shot at winning a super bowl, so why put his body on the line?

 

but in New England, he has a chance to win another one... why not put his body on the line for that?

 

I'm not saying this is what happened, but It would not surprise me if it's close to the truth.

You have it, but there's more.

 

When Bennett decided that his chance to win was gone, he began doubling down on his antics, both job and political. He started openly defying coaching during practice (not participating; mailing it in, etc). He became more vocal with his politics, and management viewed it as cancerous and divisive (correctly). He CLEARLY didn't just decide that he didn't have a chance of winning; he decided to turn the Packers locker room into his own little ant farm.

 

And he suddenly played up an injury which had been not used as an excuse to that point. He cleverly played the system in place to protect players by simultaneously announcing he had an injury while also initially clearly demonstrating that he could play through it.

 

The Packers have responded by - essentially - claiming that Bennett's injury didn't suddenly get worse...unless he was lying about the injury to begin with.

 

McKenzie doesn't allow players with threatening injuries to play. Bennett is now being forced to lie about McKenzie and his character in order to continue to support this ruse he's pulled.

 

He is a low character guy who has "BLM knee", just like his brother - a guy who also lied, and was caught doing so.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

Pats claimed his contract off waivers. He is theirs and plying under the same contract as before. I believe that, if GB wins their claim of a non-disclosed, pre-existing condition, the Pats get the cap relief even though GB paid him the money. If so, it is a shrewd move even if he never plays a down for the Pats. They do need him as Dwayne Allen has sucked.

 

Now it looks like Bennett will play tonight

[IMMensaMind 459]

That is not my understanding. Only future terms of the contract are NE's. Past payment obligations and claims are determined based upon named parties at the time. If there is a breach of contract regarding signing bonuses or other terms, NE has nothing to do with it.