posty 2,295 Posted January 17, 2018 Not exactly revolutionary, but spaghetti squash rocks. I agree with this... I didn't think I would like it, but it is damn good... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Djgb13 2,338 Posted January 17, 2018 Theres studies out that suggests you can cure yourself by dropping weight. Exercising, eating a proper diet, and not being sedentary can help reverse it. Try doing all that before losing hope. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thornton Melon 542 Posted January 17, 2018 just found out i have type 2 diabetes. i will be fine, but will dearly miss a lot of food I imagine you reacted like Dom Deluise at the end of this scene: 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bier Meister 1,512 Posted January 17, 2018 loved that movie 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mighty_thor 115 Posted January 17, 2018 I was diagnosed a little over 2 years ago. I changed my diet dramatically. I used to eat so much bread, pasta and potatoes. I also stopped drinking sodas. I went from 220 to 180 (6' tall 53 years old) very quickly. Dr was shocked that I lost so much weight so fast. I found that I had a lot more energy after I changed my diet. Then I joined an adult ice hockey league for more exercise. I still take the metformin which is a great drug. The diagnosis actually had a positive effect on my life. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
penultimatestraw 473 Posted January 18, 2018 WIne might be good for it. (In moderation before PS comes in and craps on this statement)Why do you believe wine is good for diabetes? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
penultimatestraw 473 Posted January 18, 2018 Just drop the carbs such as pasta, white rice, white bread, potatoes and if you drink soda, switch to Coke Zero or Cherry Coke Zero...While it may be a good idea to cut down on a lot of those foods, carbohydrate intake is not clearly related to the risk of developing diabetes. And diet soft drinks are associated with increased diabetes risk. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
penultimatestraw 473 Posted January 18, 2018 Yeah, the problem with that whole OBese statistic, is it comes from the same people who consider 90% of Americans to be obese because they use that ridiculous BMI test still. Which is absolutely stupid and worthless for the most part. There's clearly a correlation, but genetics, alcohol use, and other factors complain into it as well. Earlier poster was right. Most of the so-called symptoms for type 2 color things like extra blood sugar? Well that describes about 80% of Americans too. And, other than pushing meds, the recommendations are basically common sense. Portion control cutting down on worthless carbs and sugars, gee thanks Doc. What would you recommend if I didn't have diabetes? Very clearly legitimate cases, but this seems like one of those things that doctors diagnose because there really isn't much downside to most of the treatment options for diabetes. Ugh. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
naomi 343 Posted January 18, 2018 I was diagnosed a little over 2 years ago. I changed my diet dramatically. I used to eat so much bread, pasta and potatoes. I also stopped drinking sodas. I went from 220 to 180 (6' tall 53 years old) very quickly. Dr was shocked that I lost so much weight so fast. I found that I had a lot more energy after I changed my diet. Then I joined an adult ice hockey league for more exercise. I still take the metformin which is a great drug. The diagnosis actually had a positive effect on my life. Nice. I love hearing stories like this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
penultimatestraw 473 Posted January 18, 2018 This is the thing to do. Basically do away with sugar & grains and up your fat intakeEliminating simple sugars and refined flour baked goods is appropriate, but whole grains are fine. No need to increase fat or protein intake - the latter was more strongly associated with the development of diabetes in one large study. The best plan is transitioning to a plant-based diet with regular aerobic exercise. Weight loss will follow. This will not only improve his glycemic control, it will lessen his risk of vascular disease, which is what kills most diabetics. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BunnysBastatrds 1,902 Posted January 18, 2018 Well that fawking sucks. You were on my Mardi Gras king cake shipment list. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wiffleball 4,629 Posted January 18, 2018 While it may be a good idea to cut down on a lot of those foods, carbohydrate intake is not clearly related to the risk of developing diabetes. And diet soft drinks are associated with increased diabetes risk.Statistically. That's one of those stupid things the medical profession and Newsies jump on. like there's a direct correlation between blindness and people who have shag carpet! There may be the correlation isn't causation. Prithee tell me McBluffin, what is the causative and proximate Factor whereby diet soda causes diabetes? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
penultimatestraw 473 Posted January 18, 2018 Statistically. That's one of those stupid things the medical profession and Newsies jump on. like there's a direct correlation between blindness and people who have shag carpet! There may be the correlation isn't causation. Prithee tell me McBluffin, what is the causative and proximate Factor whereby diet soda causes diabetes? There are several studies correlating diet soft drinks to weight gain: Pregnant women make their babies fat: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/fullarticle/2521471 Old people have greater waist circumference the more they drink: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/jgs.13376/abstract;jsessionid=A56050F988CF167C7A78D4B79F584686.f04t03 Others link consumption directly to disease: Stroke and dementia: http://stroke.ahajournals.org/content/48/5/1139 Metabolic syndrome, of which insulin resistance is a component: http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/32/4/688 And at least one study shows all soft drinks, whether naturally or artificially sweetened, double diabetes risk: http://www.bioscientifica.com/news/press/consuming-more-than-two-soft-drinks-a-day-can-double-risk-of-diabetes/ In this study, researchers from the Karolinska Institute in Sweden investigated the impact of drinking sugary or artificially sweetened soft drinks on the risk of developing LADA or type-2 diabetes. They collected the self-reported eating and drinking habits of 2,874 Swedish adults (357 with LADA, 1136 with type-2 diabetes and 1371 healthy controls). The team evaluated the number of soft drinks each group consumed up to a year before their diagnosis, as well as measuring their levels of insulin resistance, beta cell function and autoimmune response. The results showed that drinking more than two 200ml servings of soft drinks a day doubled the risk of LADA and increased the risk of developing type-2 diabetes 2.4-fold. Consuming five daily servings increased the risk of developing LADA 3.5-fold and type-2 diabetes 10.5-fold. The increased risk of developing either type of diabetes was the same for either sugary or artificially sweetened soft drinks. There was no measurable link between soft drink consumption and autoimmune response in LADA patients. Mechanistically, scientists think artificial sweeteners don't promote satiety like natural sugars, leading to overeating. Additionally, they alter gut flora and in doing so may promote insulin resistance (it happens in mouse models). Nutrition studies are notoriously difficult to conduct in a prospective, blinded, randomized fashion, the gold standard for scientific research. Think about the logistics of a large scale study where every potential dietary confounder is eliminated, and the only variable is intake of the nutrient in question. It isn't feasible. So we're left with data from studies like those I've linked, and the data doesn't support any real health benefit from artificial sweeteners. On the contrary, they seem to promote obesity and diseases linked to it, including diabetes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 5,149 Posted January 18, 2018 Mechanistically, scientists think artificial sweeteners don't promote satiety like natural sugars, leading to overeating. By this argument, wouldn't water promote weight gain? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mighty_thor 115 Posted January 18, 2018 I met with Dietician who specialized in diabetes after my diagnosis. They will give you daily nutritional limits to stay within in regards to things like calories, fiber, protein, etc., There are some great apps that will track your intake. You can actually scan food items and they will tell you the nutritional values. The app will let you know how you did that day. You'll be surprised by some foods nutritional numbers sometimes pleasantly sometimes horrified. She was also the one who showed me how to test my glucose level with a neat little gadget. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mmmmm...beer 691 Posted January 18, 2018 Meh.. i got that. Ain't so bad... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wiffleball 4,629 Posted January 18, 2018 I met with Dietician who specialized in diabetes after my diagnosis. They will give you daily nutritional limits to stay within in regards to things like calories, fiber, protein, etc., There are some great apps that will track your intake. You can actually scan food items and they will tell you the nutritional values. The app will let you know how you did that day. You'll be surprised by some foods nutritional numbers sometimes pleasantly sometimes horrified. She was also the one who showed me how to test my glucose level with a neat little gadget. Or, you could just over engineer the out of it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kutulu 1,541 Posted January 18, 2018 Have you considered getting a second opinion from Donald Trump's doctor? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the s is ilent 69 Posted January 18, 2018 I see Michelob Ultra in you future. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bier Meister 1,512 Posted January 18, 2018 I see Michelob Ultra in you future. generally i am not drinking very much anyway.... i typically have some bier around for guests. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 5,149 Posted January 19, 2018 Hey Bier, I'm very sorry to hear. I've been meaning to post here but haven't had the time for long posts the past few days. I'm more familiar with Type 1 since my daughter has it, but a few comments. I apologize as some of these may have been said/asked but I'm not going back through this thread. - Is there a history in your family? Type 2 supposedly has more genetic correlation than Type 1. - As somebody (mung?) mentioned, not all Type 2s are fatties. My wife used to read the blog of a doctor with Type 2 who was the fittest guy ever. When I get home I'll ask if she remembers his name. - Society puts a lot of pressure on Type 2s for "causing" their diabetes by eating poorly. But there is a theory that the beginning of diabetes causes the poor eating, and it becomes a downward spiral. - I look forward to seeing your lower-carb recipes. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bier Meister 1,512 Posted January 21, 2018 have been doing pretty well until last night. yesterday was my first time time shopping for my adjusted diet.....took me 2 hours due to reading and comparing all labels. it is amazing how many items i have on hand in my pantry that i can no longer use. had some friends over for dinner and consumed some things that would be normal for most, but probably not so wonderful for me. i did not go crazy on my "bad" foods, but sampled... the good: cashew/mushroom pate edamame hummus whole grain grilled pita for them arugula/bulgar salad with lime, mint, avocado the bad: a lot of good wines. my friend is a buyer/seller of old and rare wines duck rillettes rabbit rillettes Chicken with gnocchi, edamame, shitake and oyster mushrooms (everything was ok except for the gnocchi) with a mushroom stock lemon poppy seed cake (made with maple syrup and honey instead of sugar) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
penultimatestraw 473 Posted January 21, 2018 By this argument, wouldn't water promote weight gain? its not my argument, but the answer is no. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wiffleball 4,629 Posted January 21, 2018 Sounds good beer. Don't fall into the American Trap Of All or Nothing. You can't sustain that anyway. You cut back you scaled-down, in the long run that will do a whole lot better than some diet that you can't follow for the rest of your life. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 5,149 Posted January 21, 2018 have been doing pretty well until last night. yesterday was my first time time shopping for my adjusted diet.....took me 2 hours due to reading and comparing all labels. it is amazing how many items i have on hand in my pantry that i can no longer use. had some friends over for dinner and consumed some things that would be normal for most, but probably not so wonderful for me. i did not go crazy on my "bad" foods, but sampled... the good: cashew/mushroom pate edamame hummus whole grain grilled pita for them arugula/bulgar salad with lime, mint, avocado the bad: a lot of good wines. my friend is a buyer/seller of old and rare wines duck rillettes rabbit rillettes Chicken with gnocchi, edamame, shitake and oyster mushrooms (everything was ok except for the gnocchi) with a mushroom stock lemon poppy seed cake (made with maple syrup and honey instead of sugar) Red wine isn't bad, it's fairly low carb. White wines tend to have more sugar, especially gewurztraminer. The worst thing about wine or any alcohol is it lowers your ability to turn down foods like gnocchi. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 5,149 Posted January 21, 2018 its not my argument, but the answer is no. It occurred to me after my snarky comment that artificial sweeteners give the brain a perception of sugar which doesn't occur with water, so my analogy was less than ideal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 5,149 Posted January 21, 2018 Also bier, a great website for quick carb info is http://www.calorieking.com 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
penultimatestraw 473 Posted January 22, 2018 Sounds good beer. Don't fall into the American Trap Of All or Nothing. You can't sustain that anyway. You cut back you scaled-down, in the long run that will do a whole lot better than some diet that you can't follow for the rest of your life.Good advice. The problem is, moderation ain’t easy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mmmmm...beer 691 Posted February 21, 2018 My A1C dropped! Woo hoo! 6.4 in 2016 6.3 in 2017 6.3 in 2017 6.0 in 2018 Going the right way. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 5,149 Posted February 21, 2018 My A1C dropped! Woo hoo! 6.4 in 2016 6.3 in 2017 6.3 in 2017 6.0 in 2018 Congrats! My T1 daughter is trying to get down to 7.5. It's a different level of problem than T2 and she is a teenage girl, so baby steps. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mmmmm...beer 691 Posted February 21, 2018 Congrats! My T1 daughter is trying to get down to 7.5. It's a different level of problem than T2 and she is a teenage girl, so baby steps. Hope she gets there bro... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bier Meister 1,512 Posted February 21, 2018 good job beer. been doing pretty well monitoring carbs and sugars, and increasing fiber. down about 5-6 lbs. most foods in the house have been subbed out for better options. found sugar free products (candy, ice cream, etc) i do not eat a lot anyway. farro and quinoa dishes working fine. many salads, though i can still stand to incorporate more veg. edit: i will go back in for testing in april. so we will see then how successful i am with this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mmmmm...beer 691 Posted February 21, 2018 good job beer. been doing pretty well monitoring carbs and sugars, and increasing fiber. down about 5-6 lbs. most foods in the house have been subbed out for better options. found sugar free products (candy, ice cream, etc) i do not eat a lot anyway. farro and quinoa dishes working fine. many salads, though i can still stand to incorporate more veg. edit: i will go back in for testing in april. so we will see then how successful i am with this. What was your A1C? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wiffleball 4,629 Posted February 21, 2018 My A1C dropped! Woo hoo! 6.4 in 2016 6.3 in 2017 6.3 in 2017 6.0 in 2018 Going the right way. Sorry man, but with numbers like that you are clearly autistic Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kanil 519 Posted February 21, 2018 Sorry man, but with numbers like that you are clearly autistic I bet he's fully vaccinated. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
posty 2,295 Posted February 21, 2018 My A1C dropped! Woo hoo! 6.4 in 2016 6.3 in 2017 6.3 in 2017 6.0 in 2018 Going the right way. Are you on Metformin? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mmmmm...beer 691 Posted February 21, 2018 Are you on Metformin? Yeah.. have been for about 10 years, since 33. Yeah.. my mon is the youngest of 14 children... Native Am family.. 10 including her had adult onset diabetes. So they figured it's not if but when for me. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bier Meister 1,512 Posted February 27, 2018 went to see the specialist today. about a month ago i tested around 280-300 blood sugar level for the 3 month average. today i am at 165 with the goal being 150. he was very impressed and does not believe insulin will be needed, nor upping the meds. i am very excited that what i thought was good behavior is translating into the positive results! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
posty 2,295 Posted February 27, 2018 went to see the specialist today. about a month ago i tested around 280-300 blood sugar level for the 3 month average. today i am at 165 with the goal being 150. he was very impressed and does not believe insulin will be needed, nor upping the meds. i am very excited that what i thought was good behavior is translating into the positive results! Have you lost weight? If so, how much? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bier Meister 1,512 Posted February 27, 2018 down about 6 lbs. would love to drop 20 more, but the mrs is happy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
