The Trump crew believes that the Bible justifies ripping families apart.

[MDC 5,878]

Or you could open your home to a couple.

Why would I do that?

[LOD01 185]

And much of the current crisis are people being separated from their children when they legally come to the border seeking asylum.

 

So hypothetically, there's a major war in one of these 3rd world South or Central American countries, if a million people came flooding to the border, you say, let 'em in.

 

We ain't charity for the rest of this up planet.

[Mike Honcho 4,010]

 

So hypothetically, there's a major war in one of these 3rd world South or Central American countries, if a million people came flooding to the border, you say, let 'em in.

 

We ain't charity for the rest of this ###### up planet.

 

You must be descended from those extremely wealthy Europeans who came here based on their principled rebellion against Monarchies and Classism.

[Baker Boy 1,479]

This is all about The Swamp changing the narrative and distracting from the IQ report that shows the incredible corruption in our government.

[wiffleball 4,631]

Still, I've never felt compelled or even in the slightest way found myself thinking of the word bosom.

 

And then Melania Trump showed up.

 

That woman just exudes bosom.

 

Like, I could rest my weary head on her Lush ample bosom with one of her graceful fingers gently tracing through my hair, tracing the contours of my face, and I could die a very very happy man.

 

 

 

....sigh....

[LOD01 185]

 

You must be descended from those extremely wealthy Europeans who came here based on their principled rebellion against Monarchies and Classism.

Those people were normal humans and any that were not were dealt with efficiently. Now we have to screen these freaks because otherwise, you let in criminals like MS-13.

[wiffleball 4,631]

Those people were normal humans and any that were not were dealt with efficiently. Now we have to screen these freaks because otherwise, you let in criminals like MS-13.

You realize that George Washington himself was labeled a criminal and a brigand - before being branded a traitor and a terrorist. And a Bounty was placed about his head. And he too was armed.

 

I bet you'd think differently if he hadn't lost his Harley Crossing the Delaware.

[nzoner 936]

Why would I do that?

If you don't mind illegals coming in just thought you might want to help make a better life for them.

[wiffleball 4,631]

Or you could open your home to a couple.

That's actually a felony that's being prosecuted and a far higher Pace than ever before in our country's history.

 

You can thank your government for that.

 

You know, the compassionate conservatives.

[drobeski 3,061]

This is all about The Swamp changing the narrative and distracting from the IQ report that shows the incredible corruption in our government.

yep

[MDC 5,878]

If you don't mind illegals coming in just thought you might want to help make a better life for them.

But I do mind illegals coming in.

[nzoner 936]

That's actually a felony that's being prosecuted and a far higher Pace than ever before in our country's history.

 

You can thank your government for that.

 

You know, the compassionate conservatives.

Good,I will thank my government for that.

 

I don't understand what's so hard about illegal vs. legal,case in point I start selling fireworks this Wednesday and M-80's,Cherry Bombs etc. are illegal thus I don't sell them because I know there are serious repercussions if I get caught doing so.

[nzoner 936]

But I do mind illegals coming in.

Sorry my bad

[Mike Honcho 4,010]

This is all about The Swamp changing the narrative and distracting from the IQ report that DID NOT show the incredible corruption in our government THAT WE HAD HOPED FOR.

 

fixed

[Strike 3,950]

But I do mind illegals coming in.

 

Sure you do.

[joneo 529]

[MDC 5,878]

 

Sure you do.

I do. Illegals depress US worker wages, they pay no taxes and they themselves are being exploited. I think we should grandfather in some illegals who have been here working without a criminal record, deport the rest and utterly crush US businesses that hire undocumented workers.

[wiffleball 4,631]

I do. Illegals depress US worker wages, they pay no taxes and they themselves are being exploited. I think we should grandfather in some illegals who have been here working without a criminal record, deport the rest and utterly crush US businesses that hire undocumented workers.

What taxes do they not pay?

[MDC 5,878]

What taxes do they not pay?

Income and payroll. It wasnt accurate to say they pay no taxes.

[KSB2424 3,082]

What taxes do they not pay?

 

Are you saying they file a 1040 EZ or something?

[Baker Boy 1,479]

Only in America are legal citizens labeled "racists" and "Nazis," but illegal aliens are called "Dreamers.

[wiffleball 4,631]

 

Are you saying they file a 1040 EZ or something?

I'm saying half the posters on this board don't know the difference between FICA and My Friend Flicka.

[wiffleball 4,631]

Only in America are legal citizens labeled "racists" and "Nazis," but illegal aliens are called "Dreamers.

Not true.

 

Germany openly called Legal residents Nazis too. Even gave them special parades and benefits and whatnot.

 

Hey, speaking of which, how's Trump's big parade shaping up?

[KSB2424 3,082]

Why is it that as soon as a person mentions they disapprove of separating families of illegal aliens who have committed no other crimes, some of you immediately jump to the other side of the spectrum and think that person wants zero immigration laws?

 

It's maddening to read.

[LOD01 185]

You realize that George Washington himself was labeled a criminal and a brigand - before being branded a traitor and a terrorist. And a Bounty was placed about his head. And he too was armed.

 

I bet you'd think differently if he hadn't lost his Harley Crossing the Delaware.

I'm not against these people but there is a legal way to get in and that is how it needs to be done. Anyone can claim asylum. Well sit on the other side of the fence and we will look at your case. You people would allow some fucktard with an MS-13 tattoo on his forehead into this country.

 

Half this country has completely lost their minds and as an independent, I can tell you it's the ones on the left.

[wiffleball 4,631]

 

Are you saying they file a 1040 EZ or something?

Well, for what it's worth, unless you're talking about some guy who shows up in a pickup truck and asked two guys at Home Depot to help him move his washer dryer and slips them each 20 bucks? Most contractors who want to stay in business longer than a fart in the wind storm require that all of their workers and all of their subcontractors workers provide a social security number.

 

Now, the Dirty Little Secret is 9 of those guys might use the same Social Security card, but that's beside the point for this conversation.

 

The argument that illegals don't pay taxes and still get all the benefits! Couldn't be any more patently, absurdly wrong. In fact, in most cases, in the majority of cases, it is just the opposite.

 

These cats, by hook or by crook, come up with ID and SSN that can pass scrutiny. With that, their employer can then process payroll and withhold FICA and State federal and local income taxes.

 

But, because these IDs are invariably fraudulent, it's not like these guys can show up 20 years later and request their share of Social Security that they paid into. Nor can they apply for an income tax refund every year.

 

And, they're fine with that. Because they have to be. They get their check cashed at local check cashing place. (For a usurious fee, btw) And then wire the majority of that cash to their families in Central and South America.

 

so, while it's a fun narrative to say that these guys get all these great government benefits and don't pay a dime for them? The day-to-day functional reality in this country is literally the polar opposite of that.

[Strike 3,950]

Why is it that as soon as a person mentions they disapprove of separating families of illegal aliens who have committed no other crimes, some of you immediately jump to the other side of the spectrum and think that person wants zero immigration laws?

 

It's maddening to read.

 

Because those same people rarely if ever offer solutions. I'll give MDC credit for throwing something out there although, absent going after employers, it's same old same old which hasn't been working. I'm all for not separating families. Here's the problem. When we don't detain illegals when they come here, and let them out in to the community until their court hearing, they don't usually show up for their court hearing. So Trump has chosen to detain illegals. But the SCOTUS ruled a couple decades ago that you can't detain children as you can adults. So if we choose to detain the adult we HAVE to put the children in these shelters. Been doing it for a long time; Obummer did it. Trump is just being more aggressive at detaining illegals instead of releasing them in to the community.

 

I would love to see "comprehensive immigration reform." But, for me, that includes a secure border, which neither party wants for their various reasons, none of which include doing what's best for the American people. Trump at least seems to want to do what's best for Americans which I can get behind and respect. Unfortunately, without support from congress he can't change the laws or finance border security. So he has limited tools and he's using them. Just like Obummer did for things he wanted that congress didn't support.

 

So, I'm not gonna bash the President for using the tools at his disposal. IMO if you want to be outraged be outraged at congress. They could end this in a second if they wanted. All they have to do is sit down and actually negotiate a real long term solution to this problem. It amazes me that we've been having these same discussions, to varying degrees, literally for 30+ years.

[Big Guy 1,400]

Build The Wall!!!

 

 

[Strike 3,950]

Well, for what it's worth, unless you're talking about some guy who shows up in a pickup truck and asked two guys at Home Depot to help him move his washer dryer and slips them each 20 bucks? Most contractors who want to stay in business longer than a fart in the wind storm require that all of their workers and all of their subcontractors workers provide a social security number.

 

Now, the Dirty Little Secret is 9 of those guys might use the same ###### Social Security card, but that's beside the point for this conversation.

 

The argument that illegals don't pay taxes and still get all the benefits! Couldn't be any more patently, absurdly wrong. In fact, in most cases, in the majority of cases, it is just the opposite.

 

These cats, by hook or by crook, come up with ID and SSN that can pass scrutiny. With that, their employer can then process payroll and withhold FICA and State federal and local income taxes.

 

But, because these IDs are invariably fraudulent, it's not like these guys can show up 20 years later and request their share of Social Security that they paid into. Nor can they apply for an income tax refund every year.

 

And, they're fine with that. Because they have to be. They get their check cashed at local check cashing place. (For a usurious fee, btw) And then wire the majority of that cash to their families in Central and South America.

 

so, while it's a fun narrative to say that these guys get all these great government benefits and don't pay a dime for them? The day-to-day functional reality in this country is literally the polar opposite of that.

 

Bullsh*t. One of my best and oldest friends is a contractor in Los Angeles. He does remodels of high end homes - Think Mel Gibson, Kelsey Grammer homes. He hires illegals and 1099's them. They're contractors. Taxes is on them. And, from what he tells me, that's the norm in his industry. Not to mention, that as MDC noted, illegals depress wages. So, even if they're paying taxes, they're paying them on a lower amount of income than the employer would be paying absent illegals taking the "jobs Americans won't do."

[wiffleball 4,631]

You people would allow some fucktard with an MS-13 tattoo on his forehead into this country.

 

Half this country has completely lost their minds and as an independent, I can tell you it's the ones on the left.

Well first off, who the is you people?

 

Find me 10 people who actually want to give MS-13 a free pass into this country?

 

The good news about MS-13? Stevie Wonder could spot them at the border.

 

And even without the tattoos and all the other bullshit? Unless they've mastered the art of shape-shifting? They can't morph into old women and children.

 

Jesus Christ, we keep people out of restaurants and nightclubs every day because of the way they look. You're telling me we can't somehow keep MS-13 members out without stripping a daughter from her mother? How the does that work?

 

That makes about as much sense as the morons in the TSA who are strip searching grandmothers in wheelchairs and newborns.

 

The law already provides for a little something called discretion. It's a nuanced concept. Something that Trump and his moron followers just don't seem to be able to grasp. For fucksake. You're getting a good salary, exercise a little bit of fuking professional judgement will you?

 

But we're missing the point. You know you're losing an argument when the discussion is about whether or not to separate children from their mothers and guys like you bring up

 

"all of you people want to give free passes to MS-13!"

 

 

Umm..what?

[MDC 5,878]

Im actually not all that opposed to the wall on principle, I just think its a colossally dumb idea. We have a few hundred miles of wall on the border already. It hasnt done sheet. The only thing thats going to do sheet is making the risk of getting caught employing undocumented workers cost vastly greater than the benefit of cheap labor. But that would mean 1) pissing off the industries that hire illegals and 2) forcing US consumers to accept paying actual costs for agriculture and other products and services. Neither party has any interest in doing that.

[wiffleball 4,631]

 

Bullsh*t. One of my best and oldest friends is a contractor in Los Angeles. He does remodels of high end homes - Think Mel Gibson, Kelsey Grammer homes. He hires illegals and 1099's them. They're contractors. Taxes is on them. And, from what he tells me, that's the norm in his industry.

Yeah,, maybe don't talk taxes with the tax guy who made his way through college doing construction? Just a thought.

 

Do you know what legal documents are required in order to 1099 someone?

 

Because I do.

[Strike 3,950]

Yeah,, maybe don't talk taxes with the tax guy who made his way through college doing construction? Just a thought.

 

Do you know what legal documents are required in order to 1099 someone?

 

Because I do.

 

Yeah, basically. No doubt the illegals provide information. But my buddy doesn't have to withhold taxes, does he? It's on the illegal. Maybe they pay them, maybe they don't.

[drobeski 3,061]

Well, for what it's worth, unless you're talking about some guy who shows up in a pickup truck and asked two guys at Home Depot to help him move his washer dryer and slips them each 20 bucks? Most contractors who want to stay in business longer than a fart in the wind storm require that all of their workers and all of their subcontractors workers provide a social security number.

 

Now, the Dirty Little Secret is 9 of those guys might use the same ###### Social Security card, but that's beside the point for this conversation.

 

The argument that illegals don't pay taxes and still get all the benefits! Couldn't be any more patently, absurdly wrong. In fact, in most cases, in the majority of cases, it is just the opposite.

 

These cats, by hook or by crook, come up with ID and SSN that can pass scrutiny. With that, their employer can then process payroll and withhold FICA and State federal and local income taxes.

 

But, because these IDs are invariably fraudulent, it's not like these guys can show up 20 years later and request their share of Social Security that they paid into. Nor can they apply for an income tax refund every year.

 

And, they're fine with that. Because they have to be. They get their check cashed at local check cashing place. (For a usurious fee, btw) And then wire the majority of that cash to their families in Central and South America.

 

so, while it's a fun narrative to say that these guys get all these great government benefits and don't pay a dime for them? The day-to-day functional reality in this country is literally the polar opposite of that.

you have no idea what you're talking about

[Strike 3,950]

you have no idea what you're talking about

 

He demonstrates that daily and, when called out on it with things like facts and logic, he ignores the posts or changes the title of his threads.

[wiffleball 4,631]

Can you 1099 an hourly employee?

 

No. The only problem is that it is illegal. There is no such thing as a 1099 employee. The 1099 part of the name refers to the fact that independent contractors receive a form 1099 at the end of the year, which reports to the IRS how much money was paid to the contractor. In contrast, employees receive a W-2.Aug 4, 2011

 

 

IRS.gov

 

 

Your oldest, bestest friend is either a moron or a liar or both.

 

Giving him the benefit of the doubt, he probably told you that he 1099s his subcontractors.

 

But then, he be an idiot to hire a subcontractor that doesn't have an FEIN nor adequate Nor sufficient bonding and insurance coverage. Which would absolutely impact your buddies Contracting status.

 

At this point, I'm leaning towards f*cking idiot.

[Baker Boy 1,479]

The root of the problem is our open border. As long as it is easy to get across, and as long as the Democrats welcome illegals with open arms, they will come.

[wiffleball 4,631]

 

Yeah, basically. No doubt the illegals provide information. But my buddy doesn't have to withhold taxes, does he? It's on the illegal. Maybe they pay them, maybe they don't.

Really man, I'm begging you. Quit while you're behind.

[Strike 3,950]

Can you 1099 an hourly employee?

 

No. The only problem is that it is illegal. There is no such thing as a 1099 employee. The 1099 part of the name refers to the fact that independent contractors receive a form 1099 at the end of the year, which reports to the IRS how much money was paid to the contractor. In contrast, employees receive a W-2.Aug 4, 2011

 

 

IRS.gov

 

 

Your oldest, bestest friend is either a ###### moron or a ###### liar or both.

 

Giving him the benefit of the doubt, he probably told you that he 1099s his subcontractors.

 

But then, he be an idiot to hire a subcontractor that doesn't have an FEIN nor adequate Nor sufficient bonding and insurance coverage. Which would absolutely impact your buddies Contracting status.

 

At this point, I'm leaning towards f*cking idiot.

 

Dude,

I've been a contractor on multiple occasions. I got a check every couple weeks or monthly and at the end of the year I got a 1099. Pretty simple. The notion that it can't be done is what's focking idiotic.

[jerryskids 5,172]

Im actually not all that opposed to the wall on principle, I just think its a colossally dumb idea.

 

Agreed. When Trump campaigned on the "wall," I thought it was a metaphor for increasing security. In 2018 we have the technology to stop illegals from entering, and it isn't a concrete wall from the Iron Age.