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[SUXBNME 1,328]

Where is weed at the same level as heroin?? People are stupid

 

Uhh...you may want to rethink this

[Hardcore troubadour 12,642]

 

Uhh...you may want to rethink this

Why? Weed and heroin are treated the same where? By who? Not in America.

[SUXBNME 1,328]

Why? Weed and heroin are treated the same where? By who? Not in America.

Guess I didn't read why you said that.

 

I meant in the fashion of weed and heroin are the same drug to me . Hippy druggies that generally have no job, smell bad and are a burden on a productive society

 

 

eta: I forgot shiftless and lazy. sorry, my bad

[Hardcore troubadour 12,642]

Guess I didn't read why you said that.

 

I meant in the fashion of weed and heroin are the same drug to me . Hippy druggies that generally have no job, smell bad and are a burden on a productive society

 

 

eta: I forgot shiftless and lazy. sorry, my bad

I never cared that much about weed. Now that it's been decriminalized for personal use and I see how overboard people are with it now I'm disgusted by it. Shiftless and lazy is right.

[nzoner 936]

I'm not on any. Heck, I always got 5 pain pills prescribed for me. That's it. I don't know what you have to have our who you have to be in order to get pain meds like the ones in my last post.

Mrs nzoner has Rheumatoid Arthritis,14 years in and not pretty but also has a pillbox the size of a cigar box.I can't even begin to tell you how many she's on,damn doctors constantly prescribing something and a few months ago I had to rush her to the ER because two of the drugs shouldn't have been mixed and about knocked her out for good.They've even put a pain stimulator inside her attached to her spine and she still has to sleep in a recliner.I'm not exaggerating when I say one of us is at the pharmacy weekly picking up several different meds for her.

 

Of course every time I complain about a pain here or there she's like take one of my pain pills to which I'm like no thanks.I know her pain is real,I've seen the tears but damn the amount of pills boggles my mind as there is no way I'd be able to keep track of everything.Lastly,I've suggested weed,even in an edible form but she always says no way it's illegal as I'm thinking no what's illegal is doctors being so damn careless that they've prescribed medications that when combined almost killed you.

[peenie 1,690]

@nzoner

Will you share with us how many different pills your wife taking right now? (number not names) When you compare how much she's taking to Tom Petty's list, does it seem he was given too many or is it in line with a person who is suffering from a lot of pain?

Based on my view of patient's charts it's normal.

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

I had my knee scoped a few years ago and the pain meds are addicting. Even after a couple weeks phantom pain would start right about the four hour mark when I was due to take another pill. I realized pain isn't like that so I quit taking them and switched to Alleve. Pain stopped a few days later.

[nzoner 936]

@nzoner

Will you share with us how many different pills your wife taking right now? (number not names) When you compare how much she's taking to Tom Petty's list, does it seem he was given too many or is it in line with a person who is suffering from a lot of pain?

Based on my view of patient's charts it's normal.

At least 10 but some are for the disease itself,I do see two in Petty's list that I know she takes.I hate to sound uncaring but I pretty much just go to the pharmacy when asked and keep my mouth shut as imo she's doing herself no favors as she drinks anywhere from 5-8 16 oz diet cokes a day and from everything I've read that crap is poison especially to someone with a joint disease.I once went to her RA doc behind her back and asked if he could mention slowing down on the diet coke to her,I swear the guy told me,"well everyone has an addiction of some sort."

[jerryskids 5,204]

I'm not on any. Heck, I always got 5 pain pills prescribed for me. That's it. I don't know what you have to have or who you have to be in order to get pain meds like the ones in my last post.

 

For what were you prescribed 5 pain pills? I could see something like Mrs. nzoner's RA, but I've had a bunch of surgeries and never had more than a single oxy or perc.

 

75% of the people had back complaints. That was common.

I often thought that people probably just needed a new firm mattress.

 

It's Sarno. Of course that would put the multi billion dollar pain management industry out of business, so... more meds$#@!

[Alias Detective 1,179]

That's what I thought when I first started that job. It's normal.

It blew my mind the drugs people are prescribed.

The doctor explained in a meeting that people are in pain and get ADDICTED to the medication. I could discuss this issue quite a bit....

The people receiving these drugs claim they need more actually and get angry that they have to come in so often to the doctors office.

We have to be sure they are actually taking their meds. Be sure they're not selling them or giving them away.

Some will self medicate if they don't get higher dosages.

While working there I knew of 2 suicides from people in constant pain and not having enough drugs.

I learned not to judge.

 

i fixed a word for you. It in CAPS.

 

Which is the problem. Im no doc but it is easy to see.

Not letting people who abuse their meds off the hook. But that is why they end up like this. The crap is addicting. What is prescribed at first builds up a tolerance. And if you like the way you feel on them soon you will need more.

This guy gets it. He is speaking from experience. Trust what he is saying.

[peenie 1,690]

 

For what were you prescribed 5 pain pills? I could see something like Mrs. nzoner's RA, but I've had a bunch of surgeries and never had more than a single oxy or perc.

 

 

It's Sarno. Of course that would put the multi billion dollar pain management industry out of business, so... more meds$#@!

Had 2 wisdom teeth pulled out and was given like 5 acetaminophen with codeine. Ironically, they made me nauseous so I only ate 2.

Just read on Wikipedia about that Dr. Sarno. I'd never heard of him before. Do you believe him? I don't like it when people say pain is in your head. They told women that their menstrual cramps weren't real. Ridiculous...

[jerryskids 5,204]

Had 2 wisdom teeth pulled out and was given like 5 acetaminophen with codeine. Ironically, they made me nauseous so I only ate 2.

Just read on Wikipedia about that Dr. Sarno. I'd never heard of him before. Do you believe him? I don't like it when people say pain is in your head. They told women that their menstrual cramps weren't real. Ridiculous...

 

We weren't talking number of pills, we were talking numbers of different meds. Or I thought we were... Of course I got more than 5 percs or oxys for any given surgery.

 

Yes, Sarno is real and prevalent in this country. Back pain, plantar fasciitis, tennis elbow... not all pain of course, but a lot of it. Both my wife and I have experienced it. Anyone with chronic pain should do themselves an enormous favor and look into it. It may not help... but it may help.

[peenie 1,690]

The only pain medication I've ever been given was Motrin (ibuprofen) back when it wasn't available over these counter for cramps when I was very young. Also, acetaminophen with codeine for my wisdom tooth removal.

[mmmmm...beer 691]

Why? Weed and heroin are treated the same where? By who? Not in America.

By the DEA and Federal government sparky.

 

Both are Schedule 1

 

https://www.drugs.com/article/csa-schedule-1.html

 

Yeah... you were a cop alright.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,642]

By the DEA and Federal government sparky.

 

Both are Schedule 1

 

https://www.drugs.com/article/csa-schedule-1.html

 

Yeah... you were a cop alright.

Yeah, that's right. As if anyone is prosecuted for weed like they are heroin. I said treated, moron. Know the difference? The federal prisons are just full of people busted for weed. Head on down to the reservation and scoop someone up with an ounce, fock it, a pound of weed and bring it to the AUSA and ask them to prosecute. Nice try. Now go get back in your chair and don't hurt yourself. Wait, it's Saturday, I know you're not working. Or if it's a Holiday. Or if it snows, or you don't feel like it.

[listen2me 23 1,542]

Why? Weed and heroin are treated the same where? By who? Not in America.

Weed and heroin are both classified as schedule 1 drugs by the DEA.

 

If you were refering to my post without quoting me.

 

Edit i see beer just said this.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,642]

Weed and heroin are both classified as schedule 1 drugs by the DEA.

 

If you were refering to my post without quoting me.

I didn't say what the law was. I said treated. No court is treating heroin and weed the same. Do you think they are? If there are other charges along with the weed, like a gun or other violent or finanacial crimes, yeah, it could be rolled in together. But weed and heroin on their own? No. Mister "Chief" (lol) of police (not police, federal feel good unnecessary agency, of which there are plenty) knows this, but he's trying to play word games. Fail.

[listen2me 23 1,542]

I didn't say what the law was. I said treated. Nobody court is treating heroin and weed the same. Do you think they are?

No i dont. I just dont know where you came up with that post out of the blue. I assume you were refering to a post I made sonce I was the only one to comment on that subject. I was clearing up what meant.

 

Why are you so angry and hyper? Relax.

[listen2me 23 1,542]

Where is weed at the same level as heroin?? People are stupid

Level, schedule. You didnt say treated it the same. You were obviously refering to what I said. Which I was correct but maybe you didnt know what I meant.

[listen2me 23 1,542]

Well I guess you said level then said treated. We were talking about 2 different things the whole time.

[29 Guests 29]

my mom was on a sht ton of meds.
this is the last list that my dad put together for the docs before she passed away 5/16.

fenofibrate
amlod/benazp [lotrel]
digoxin
simvastatin [zocor]
alprazolam [xanax]
gabapentin [neurontin]
prednisone
trazodone
pradaxa
meclizine
pantoprazole
sucralfate
calcium
centrum
vit c
vit d3
vit b12
glucosamine chondroitin
q-sorb co q-10
cinnamon
zinc

at one point, she was also on atenolol...

[penultimatestraw 473]

Probably was not. But that isnt my point. My point is how does one get on oxy xanex and fentynol? Not saying any one doc is to blame but the system is screwed. Even more screwed up when you r3alize that certain drugs are illegal yet killer addicting drugs are normal. If you cant regulate it then it is bad.

If big pharma could get ahold of weed or MDMA and regulate it to the point that people couldnt just produce it on their own....they would. They already do it with heroin.

Instead of new iphones and social media bots it would be nice if we could some how find technology in pain relief in some other form than poison.

Xanax is for anxiety/panic attacks. Supposed to be used short term.

 

Oxycodone and fentanyl are appropriate for chronic pain. The fentanyl is often a long acting patch with oxycodone pills taken for breakthrough pain.

 

A hip fracture warrants meds like that acutely. Chronically, not so much. Chronic pain from arthritis shouldn’t be managed with narcotics, but there’s no telling if he was going to multiple doctors and/or getting extra meds because of his celebrity.

[penultimatestraw 473]

Thats what is said. But im sure he knew he had a problem when on these. Im sure it was for pain but im sure he liked the drugs and knew one of these days he was going to mess himself up for good.

Big petty fan. Not ridding him of anything. Just sad to see these thins mess up so many lives and eventually kill people.

They also help a lot of people. Not everyone abuses them.

 

Opioid analgesics are definitely overprescribed, but are relatively safe and effective when used appropriately. If people want to use pot for pain, thats fine too, but it really isnt a potent analgesic.

 

Most importantly, how can one objectively measure pain to know what type of meds (if any) are needed?

[penultimatestraw 473]

I know more about these drugs than I should. Is fentanol, idk the correct spelling not fot severe pain? How about the oxy? Why would he be doubling up on pain meds? Unless of course they were not prescribed. But articles make it seem like they were.

Why do you know so much about pain meds? If you’ve ever used them recreationally, perhaps you should look in the mirror when assigning blame for the opioid crisis.

[penultimatestraw 473]

I tried to find some sort of commonality.

Was it old people, young people, former military, fat people, white people, seemingly wealthier people, handicapped people...there was nothing. It's just people with the right health insurance and pain.

But you know what I noticed?

75% of the people had back complaints. That was common.

I often thought that people probably just needed a new firm mattress.

No, they need to exercise and lose weight.

 

Back pain can be legitimately disabling, but a large percentage can be addressed with non-narcotic pain meds and physical therapy.

[penultimatestraw 473]

At least 10 but some are for the disease itself,I do see two in Petty's list that I know she takes.I hate to sound uncaring but I pretty much just go to the pharmacy when asked and keep my mouth shut as imo she's doing herself no favors as she drinks anywhere from 5-8 16 oz diet cokes a day and from everything I've read that crap is poison especially to someone with a joint disease.I once went to her RA doc behind her back and asked if he could mention slowing down on the diet coke to her,I swear the guy told me,"well everyone has an addiction of some sort."

Diet coke isn’t healthy, but it shouldn’t impact her RA in any appreciable way.

 

Has your wife seen a pain specialist? Someone other than her primary doc and/or rheumatologist.

[Frozenbeernuts 1,652]

Probably was not. But that isnt my point. My point is how does one get on oxy xanex and fentynol? Not saying any one doc is to blame but the system is screwed. Even more screwed up when you r3alize that certain drugs are illegal yet killer addicting drugs are normal. If you cant regulate it then it is bad.

 

If big pharma could get ahold of weed or MDMA and regulate it to the point that people couldnt just produce it on their own....they would. They already do it with heroin.

 

Instead of new iphones and social media bots it would be nice if we could some how find technology in pain relief in some other form than poison.

I read a while ago that non addictive pain meds were being developed. I don't think big pharma wants that, just like they don't want their main competitor, marijuana, around

[listen2me 23 1,542]

Why do you know so much about pain meds? If you’ve ever used them recreationally, perhaps you should look in the mirror when assigning blame for the opioid crisis.

Because I have seen people get ruined by them.

 

Yeah my 17 year old ass taking some pain meds is part of the reason for the opioid crisis. Gotchya. It isn't the doctors who pushed so many pain pills down my friend's mom's face that there wasn't ridiculous access to these things.

 

I respect youre opinion but you are so ridiculous about this subject. But I guess you have to be.

[penultimatestraw 473]

Because I have seen people get ruined by them.

 

Yeah my 17 year old ass taking some pain meds is part of the reason for the opioid crisis. Gotchya. It isn't the doctors who pushed so many pain pills down my friend's mom's face that there wasn't ridiculous access to these things.

 

I respect youre opinion but you are so ridiculous about this subject. But I guess you have to be.

 

I just hate the way people point the finger at doctors and pharm companies when they also share a portion of the blame. Most abused opioids werent obtained by a prescription written for the addict. And most people who receive opioids dont become addicted. Meanwhile, there are only limited options for treating severe pain, and no objective way to know if a patient is lying about the severity of their pain.

 

Dont misunderstand me - doctors are a part of the problem. But they werent shoving pills down the throats of your high school buddies. Prescribers, distributors, pharmaceutical companies, patients, drug dealers and recreational users all helped to create this mess.

[listen2me 23 1,542]

As I have said multiple times. People who abuse their stuff are not off the hook. Im not letting them off it. But is basically like here is some heroin but just dont get addicted and take more than I tell you.

 

Yeah a lot of people fo not abuse their meds. Sort of like guns. A lot of people do not harm a soul with guns. I am in no way trying to make this a show but how do you feel about guns?

 

Im not saying pain meds should be banned. They are actually some what trying now with smaller scripts and what not. But for a while the industry was to blame. It was flat out ridiculous how easy docs gave out pills.

[listen2me 23 1,542]

Then you wonder why we have pill drop offs. Get rid of your old pills events. Wonder why?

 

Pain is a touchy subject. Im not in it so i dont want to comment other than it is fairly easy to sct like younare in more than you are.

 

These meds are dangerous. Street drugs that are not laced or cut yeah i know oxymoron...could help people in certain doses.

 

I am sorry but this stuff is just as bad as heroin. It is actually a main reason why people are dying off heroin. Fentynol. To give the population it and expect people to not abuse is stupid. You are giving them hard drugs.

[listen2me 23 1,542]

You get a harvard grad who has never done drugs in his life some heroin and tell him it is okay it is prescribed. He does for 2 days. Likes it. Is hooked. But he is the ass.

 

Pain meds are dumbed down heroin. You give it out and tell people not to take too much. Do you see the ridicuoulsness of that?

[nzoner 936]

Diet coke isn’t healthy, but it shouldn’t impact her RA in any appreciable way.

 

Has your wife seen a pain specialist? Someone other than her primary doc and/or rheumatologist.

Yes,as I said in the other post she's even had a pain stimulator put in her attached to her spine(all ordered by her pain specialist) and that didn't work,she cannot lie down has to sleep in a recliner.

[penultimatestraw 473]

As I have said multiple times. People who abuse their stuff are not off the hook. Im not letting them off it. But is basically like here is some heroin but just dont get addicted and take more than I tell you.

Yeah a lot of people fo not abuse their meds. Sort of like guns. A lot of people do not harm a soul with guns. I am in no way trying to make this a ###### show but how do you feel about guns?

Im not saying pain meds should be banned. They are actually some what trying now with smaller scripts and what not. But for a while the industry was to blame. It was flat out ridiculous how easy docs gave out pills.

Yet you always call out the docs and big pharma as soon as the topic is brought up, all the while acting like people abusing the drugs are helpless pawns.

 

You fail to consider the risk:benefit of pain meds. Admittedly its a little arbitrary that heroin is illegal while drugs with almost the same addictive potential can be obtained with a prescription. By extension, alcohol and nicotine shouldnt be legal either. But Ill say it again: the majority of people who use prescription drugs dont get hooked, and there arent always other options for controlling severe pain. Youre right that the entire system needs reform though.

 

As far as comparing prescription drugs to guns, I dont think the benefit of the latter outweighs its risk. Hunting/sport shooting arent of societal benefit and we are toast if the government wants to enslave us regardless. Plus, study after study show gun availability increase ones risk of gun violence, so the idea of gun ownership promoting personal safety is a myth.

 

But if you insist on that comparison, I agree that both prescription drugs and firearms should be more regulated

[penultimatestraw 473]

You get a harvard grad who has never done drugs in his life some heroin and tell him it is okay it is prescribed. He does for 2 days. Likes it. Is hooked. But he is the ass.

 

Pain meds are dumbed down heroin. You give it out and tell people not to take too much. Do you see the ridicuoulsness of that?

Incorrect. Ive had morphine and Vicodin before, and had no desire to keep taking them when my pain was controlled. None at all. But I had a broken leg and legitimate pain. Everyone is a little different, of course, but the neuropharmacology of the drugs is different when used for their intended purpose.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

Incorrect. Ive had morphine and Vicodin before, and had no desire to keep taking them when my pain was controlled. None at all. But I had a broken leg and legitimate pain. Everyone is a little different, of course, but the neuropharmacology of the drugs is different when used for their intended purpose.

I was given Oxycodone when I had 4 wisdom teeth out. Took one of them and it gave me a bad hangover, so I avoided the rest until I had a kidney stone a couple of months later. Tossed out all but 3 of them. I didn't get the "high" that was so good and the after affects far outweighed any benefits.