TNF: Rams vs Vikings...Come clean: Who’d you leave on the bench?

[Brutal Brutus 182]

I have never played in a league where you get negative for dst. CBS you start with 20 and it goes down from there. Id rather not even start a dst if theres a chance for negatives.

It's not really any different. ESPN standard scoring dst start with 10 points. If a defense tanks and on CBS gets 0 and on ESPN gets -9, it's still roughly the same point differential.

[tanatastic 2,061]

It's not really any different. ESPN standard scoring dst start with 10 points. If a defense tanks and on CBS gets 0 and on ESPN gets -9, it's still roughly the same point differential.

-9 is worse than 0. Catastrophically worse.

[Phil Simms 11 127]

-9 is worse than 0. Catastrophically worse.

Not really when you consider the starting point.

CBS you start at 20 and can go to 0

ESPN you start at 10 and can go to -9

 

It is essentially the same. It is still a 19/20 point range, who cares if it starts at 20, 10, 0 or -6

[skydiverd 13]

Left Kupp on the bench in favor of Tyler Boyd. Pretty sure I picked wrong there LOL

Played Diggs. Opponent played Theilen. Bummer. Love going into Sunday down by 6.

[Brutal Brutus 182]

-9 is worse than 0. Catastrophically worse.

No, based on the math it's close to being the same. CBS starts at 20. ESPN starts at 10. The difference from start to the very bottom of both scoring systems are nearly identical. Assuming CBS scoring is prorated to drop at twice the rate of ESPN, it's the same system.

[tanatastic 2,061]

Not really when you consider the starting point.

CBS you start at 20 and can go to 0

ESPN you start at 10 and can go to -9

 

It is essentially the same. It is still a 19/20 point range, who cares if it starts at 20, 10, 0 or -6

I think I care. I mean, I understand full well the concepts at play here, I just still think -9 is worse than zero regardless of starting point. Ill leave it alone.

 

If Im on that site and its a close game and my dst is yet to play, Im pulling them and taking the 0. Which you are telling me is the same as getting +10....

[Brutal Brutus 182]

I think I care. I mean, I understand full well the concepts at play here, I just still think -9 is worse than zero regardless of starting point. Ill leave it alone.

 

If Im on that site and its a close game and my dst is yet to play, Im pulling them and taking the 0. Which you are telling me is the same as getting +10....

Lets do the math. In a head to head match up, one teams defense finishes +6 in both scoring systems, so they end up with either 16 or 26. The other team in the head to head ends up losing -12 points from where they started (20 or 10). In CBS they have 8. In ESPN they have -2. The difference between the defenses in the head to head match up on CBS is 18. The difference on ESPN is 18.

 

Some people do bench their defense if they have the game won and only their defense is left and take the zero. The difference between the defenses remains the same though. I get that there is some risk in playing it, but mathematically it's not much different. You'll still be chasing the same points if your defense stinks. If the game is tied and it's your defense vs his defense, you won't sit your defense hoping the other guy goes negative.

[Phil Simms 11 127]

I think I care. I mean, I understand full well the concepts at play here, I just still think -9 is worse than zero regardless of starting point. Ill leave it alone.

 

If Im on that site and its a close game and my dst is yet to play, Im pulling them and taking the 0. Which you are telling me is the same as getting +10....

 

I get what you are saying, didn't think of that before re: pulling out a defense.

 

If you disregarded that it is the same, i.e. if your team with the same roster faced the opponent with the same roster you would still win or lose in either scoring system.

 

Now with what you mentioned and I didn't initially consider if you are winning already in a 0-20 scoring format no benefit to pulling your DST. But if you are winning by under 10 points in a 10 to -9 format if you pull your DST you guarantee a win.

 

We frequently see those threads "do I sit my XYZ today since I win if I don't play them."

 

In your opinion should we remove the possibility of negative points for all positions or just DST?

[tanatastic 2,061]

I get what you are saying, didn't think of that before re: pulling out a defense.

 

If you disregarded that it is the same, i.e. if your team with the same roster faced the opponent with the same roster you would still win or lose in either scoring system.

 

Now with what you mentioned and I didn't initially consider if you are winning already in a 0-20 scoring format no benefit to pulling your DST. But if you are winning by under 10 points in a 10 to -9 format if you pull your DST you guarantee a win.

 

We frequently see those threads "do I sit my XYZ today since I win if I don't play them."

 

In your opinion should we remove the possibility of negative points for all positions or just DST?

 

Just dst, if the team gets all it’s points taken away and accrues no stats I’d prefer it just be zero.

[TheUsualSuspect 207]

I have never played in a league where you get negative for dst. CBS you start with 20 and it goes down from there. Id rather not even start a dst if theres a chance for negatives.

Its all part of the game...

 

I play in multiple leagues, with different settings. And Im NOT the guy who will complain if a league different from the one I commish scores in a way that isnt my preference (ie. FG 50+, 5 pts) Focking ridiculous to empower kickers, but whatever Ill deal with it.

 

The way I see it, all League Managers are on an equal fantasy playing field and it is each Managers responsibility to be aware of the scoring and settings. I remind this disclaimer before every draft.

 

I actually enjoy the variation of scoring from league to league just to change it up a bit, like playing blackjack at the casino. If I become bored with a standard game, Ill move over to Spanish 21, or even play the horrible, horrible side bets.

[TheUsualSuspect 207]

^^^

One other thing Id like to add, is if there is no chance for negative points, that lowers the variance of scoring for any D/ST resulting in lesser value in the position altogether.

 

For instance, how many of you are in leagues where every week your D/ST no matter who it is scores you... 7, 9, 10. And your opponent scores something similar. I just dont see the point.

 

When the Rams shoutout the Cardinals Week 2, that owner (not me) was rewarded heavily (32 points) as well he shouldve been, IMO.

 

Where as the NO owner Week 1? vs TB scored -16. Heavy penalty right? Fock it, should be IMO. The Saints D got railed and this result should penalize your Fantasy team worse than just a 0

 

Having said all that, its all just a scoring preference that you and your other League Managers must agree on prior to draft day so to each their own.

[Phil Simms 11 127]

^^^

One other thing Id like to add, is if there is no chance for negative points, that lowers the variance of scoring for any D/ST resulting in lesser value in the position altogether.

 

For instance, how many of you are in leagues where every week your D/ST no matter who it is scores you... 7, 9, 10. And your opponent scores something similar. I just dont see the point.

 

When the Rams shoutout the Cardinals Week 2, that owner (not me) was rewarded heavily (32 points) as well he shouldve been, IMO.

 

Where as the NO owner Week 1? vs TB scored -16. Heavy penalty right? Fock it, should be IMO. The Saints D got railed and this result should penalize your Fantasy team worse than just a 0

 

Having said all that, its all just a scoring preference that you and your other League Managers must agree on prior to draft day so to each their own.

As mentioned negative or not means little if the standard point range is similar. -10 to +10, or 0 to +20 the team that won in one format would still win in the other. Instead of winning 125-118, you win 115-108.

 

The only difference is mentioned by tanatastic, if you are guaranteed a win you may sit a defense that could get negative points.

[TheUsualSuspect 207]

As mentioned negative or not means little if the standard point range is similar. -10 to +10, or 0 to +20 the team that won in one format would still win in the other. Instead of winning 125-118, you win 115-108.

 

The only difference is mentioned by tanatastic, if you are guaranteed a win you may sit a defense that could get negative points.

The variance is greater when more points are awarded or deducted based off player performance.

[Phil Simms 11 127]

Yeah, so negative or not is not a factor. You like more exaggerated DST scoring.

 

Personally I think a 20 point standard range is plenty. Technically a team can go over 20 with TDs and just being dominant.

[TheUsualSuspect 207]

Yeah, so negative or not is not a factor.

 

Correct, same page... Related, but different topic

[scottsind 61]

Started Rivers over Goff. Who would of known........ May start streaming Goff at home after a performance like that.