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#1 Mike FF Today

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Posted 22 February 2018 - 11:45 AM

Doug Orth's dynasty rankings are posted. We've haven't updated these as much as we would like last season but the plan is to do various updates in 2018. Next update will come after the NFL Draft.

 

Doug's Dynasty Rankings

 

QBs, RBs, WRs, and TEs with commentary on select players.

 

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#2 weepaws

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Posted 22 February 2018 - 12:08 PM

I would place M Evans above K Allen.

Rivers won't be around much longer.

Love the placement of Mccaffery, I think he could even be more worthy then Kamara.
Godswillbedone Revelation 20:15. And who so ever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Todays Proverbs 4 Todays Psalm 19 God Bless.

Isaiah 12:2. Luke 14:23. Daniel 4:37. 2 Kings 17:39. Nahum 1:7. 1 Timothy 6:18-19. Psalm 9:7&8.
Psalm 34:18. Ezra 8:22. 2 Corinthians 1:3. Ezekiel 36:26. Matthew 7:24-25. Proverbs 28:21&27. 1 Peter 3.
1 John 3:16. Lamentations 3:25. Proverbs 10:27. Ephesians 6:13 Ezekiel 18:21-22. 2 Corinthians 10:5
Proverbs 15:29. Proverbs 18:12. 1 John 2:1-2. Ephesians 6:19. 2 Timothy 2:3-4. 1 Peter 4:14
Proverbs 23:12. Psalm 121:7-8. Ephesians 1:7. Deuteronomy 28:11-13. Romans 10:10. Romans 8:31
2 Peter 3:9. Isaiah 5:21. Proverbs 11:2. Matthews 5:16. Romans 12:14. James 1:8.
Psalm 58:11. Ezekiel 33:11-13. Hosea 14:9. Psalm 100:4. Romans 14:9. 2 Chronicles 32:8.
John 3:3-7. Philippians 2:11. Titus 2:11-14. Ephesians 4:2. Romans 11:33. Proverbs 12:1&26.
1 Timothy 1:15. Psalm 119:6. Proverbs 22:4. Psalm 46:1. Romans 12:17-21. 2 Chronicles 34&35.

#3 weepaws

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Posted 22 February 2018 - 01:08 PM

Agree what was said about Njoku.

I do think Engram is going too be a very good player.

I thought you would be higher with your evaluation of Kittle.
Godswillbedone Revelation 20:15. And who so ever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Todays Proverbs 4 Todays Psalm 19 God Bless.

Isaiah 12:2. Luke 14:23. Daniel 4:37. 2 Kings 17:39. Nahum 1:7. 1 Timothy 6:18-19. Psalm 9:7&8.
Psalm 34:18. Ezra 8:22. 2 Corinthians 1:3. Ezekiel 36:26. Matthew 7:24-25. Proverbs 28:21&27. 1 Peter 3.
1 John 3:16. Lamentations 3:25. Proverbs 10:27. Ephesians 6:13 Ezekiel 18:21-22. 2 Corinthians 10:5
Proverbs 15:29. Proverbs 18:12. 1 John 2:1-2. Ephesians 6:19. 2 Timothy 2:3-4. 1 Peter 4:14
Proverbs 23:12. Psalm 121:7-8. Ephesians 1:7. Deuteronomy 28:11-13. Romans 10:10. Romans 8:31
2 Peter 3:9. Isaiah 5:21. Proverbs 11:2. Matthews 5:16. Romans 12:14. James 1:8.
Psalm 58:11. Ezekiel 33:11-13. Hosea 14:9. Psalm 100:4. Romans 14:9. 2 Chronicles 32:8.
John 3:3-7. Philippians 2:11. Titus 2:11-14. Ephesians 4:2. Romans 11:33. Proverbs 12:1&26.
1 Timothy 1:15. Psalm 119:6. Proverbs 22:4. Psalm 46:1. Romans 12:17-21. 2 Chronicles 34&35.

#4 weepaws

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Posted 22 February 2018 - 01:12 PM

A Cooper in the top ten huh?

Mmm I know the talent is there , but I'm not sold he wants it bad enough.
Godswillbedone Revelation 20:15. And who so ever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Todays Proverbs 4 Todays Psalm 19 God Bless.

Isaiah 12:2. Luke 14:23. Daniel 4:37. 2 Kings 17:39. Nahum 1:7. 1 Timothy 6:18-19. Psalm 9:7&8.
Psalm 34:18. Ezra 8:22. 2 Corinthians 1:3. Ezekiel 36:26. Matthew 7:24-25. Proverbs 28:21&27. 1 Peter 3.
1 John 3:16. Lamentations 3:25. Proverbs 10:27. Ephesians 6:13 Ezekiel 18:21-22. 2 Corinthians 10:5
Proverbs 15:29. Proverbs 18:12. 1 John 2:1-2. Ephesians 6:19. 2 Timothy 2:3-4. 1 Peter 4:14
Proverbs 23:12. Psalm 121:7-8. Ephesians 1:7. Deuteronomy 28:11-13. Romans 10:10. Romans 8:31
2 Peter 3:9. Isaiah 5:21. Proverbs 11:2. Matthews 5:16. Romans 12:14. James 1:8.
Psalm 58:11. Ezekiel 33:11-13. Hosea 14:9. Psalm 100:4. Romans 14:9. 2 Chronicles 32:8.
John 3:3-7. Philippians 2:11. Titus 2:11-14. Ephesians 4:2. Romans 11:33. Proverbs 12:1&26.
1 Timothy 1:15. Psalm 119:6. Proverbs 22:4. Psalm 46:1. Romans 12:17-21. 2 Chronicles 34&35.

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Posted 22 February 2018 - 01:21 PM

A Cooper in the top ten huh?

Mmm I know the talent is there , but I'm not sold he wants it bad enough.

 

Cooper's age is a big factor in his rankings. Consider this, he is entering his 4th season, yet is the same age as Calvin Ridley.


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Posted 22 February 2018 - 01:30 PM

Great list for sure at this point for conversation. I just think there is a little over use of Upside and Risk tags for QBs and RBs. 10 of top 17 QBs show as risk and 7 of top 11 RBs?

#7 weepaws

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Posted 22 February 2018 - 01:44 PM

Cooper's age is a big factor in his rankings. Consider this, he is entering his 4th season, yet is the same age as Calvin Ridley.


Can't disagree about that.

But his production hasn't been top ten.
Godswillbedone Revelation 20:15. And who so ever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Todays Proverbs 4 Todays Psalm 19 God Bless.

Isaiah 12:2. Luke 14:23. Daniel 4:37. 2 Kings 17:39. Nahum 1:7. 1 Timothy 6:18-19. Psalm 9:7&8.
Psalm 34:18. Ezra 8:22. 2 Corinthians 1:3. Ezekiel 36:26. Matthew 7:24-25. Proverbs 28:21&27. 1 Peter 3.
1 John 3:16. Lamentations 3:25. Proverbs 10:27. Ephesians 6:13 Ezekiel 18:21-22. 2 Corinthians 10:5
Proverbs 15:29. Proverbs 18:12. 1 John 2:1-2. Ephesians 6:19. 2 Timothy 2:3-4. 1 Peter 4:14
Proverbs 23:12. Psalm 121:7-8. Ephesians 1:7. Deuteronomy 28:11-13. Romans 10:10. Romans 8:31
2 Peter 3:9. Isaiah 5:21. Proverbs 11:2. Matthews 5:16. Romans 12:14. James 1:8.
Psalm 58:11. Ezekiel 33:11-13. Hosea 14:9. Psalm 100:4. Romans 14:9. 2 Chronicles 32:8.
John 3:3-7. Philippians 2:11. Titus 2:11-14. Ephesians 4:2. Romans 11:33. Proverbs 12:1&26.
1 Timothy 1:15. Psalm 119:6. Proverbs 22:4. Psalm 46:1. Romans 12:17-21. 2 Chronicles 34&35.

#8 weepaws

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Posted 22 February 2018 - 05:49 PM

A Luck at number four is a very interesting pick.
Godswillbedone Revelation 20:15. And who so ever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Todays Proverbs 4 Todays Psalm 19 God Bless.

Isaiah 12:2. Luke 14:23. Daniel 4:37. 2 Kings 17:39. Nahum 1:7. 1 Timothy 6:18-19. Psalm 9:7&8.
Psalm 34:18. Ezra 8:22. 2 Corinthians 1:3. Ezekiel 36:26. Matthew 7:24-25. Proverbs 28:21&27. 1 Peter 3.
1 John 3:16. Lamentations 3:25. Proverbs 10:27. Ephesians 6:13 Ezekiel 18:21-22. 2 Corinthians 10:5
Proverbs 15:29. Proverbs 18:12. 1 John 2:1-2. Ephesians 6:19. 2 Timothy 2:3-4. 1 Peter 4:14
Proverbs 23:12. Psalm 121:7-8. Ephesians 1:7. Deuteronomy 28:11-13. Romans 10:10. Romans 8:31
2 Peter 3:9. Isaiah 5:21. Proverbs 11:2. Matthews 5:16. Romans 12:14. James 1:8.
Psalm 58:11. Ezekiel 33:11-13. Hosea 14:9. Psalm 100:4. Romans 14:9. 2 Chronicles 32:8.
John 3:3-7. Philippians 2:11. Titus 2:11-14. Ephesians 4:2. Romans 11:33. Proverbs 12:1&26.
1 Timothy 1:15. Psalm 119:6. Proverbs 22:4. Psalm 46:1. Romans 12:17-21. 2 Chronicles 34&35.

#9 weepaws

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Posted 22 February 2018 - 08:45 PM

D Freeman at number 17 huh.

Mmm is that because of T Coleman?

Just seems low for him.
Godswillbedone Revelation 20:15. And who so ever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Todays Proverbs 4 Todays Psalm 19 God Bless.

Isaiah 12:2. Luke 14:23. Daniel 4:37. 2 Kings 17:39. Nahum 1:7. 1 Timothy 6:18-19. Psalm 9:7&8.
Psalm 34:18. Ezra 8:22. 2 Corinthians 1:3. Ezekiel 36:26. Matthew 7:24-25. Proverbs 28:21&27. 1 Peter 3.
1 John 3:16. Lamentations 3:25. Proverbs 10:27. Ephesians 6:13 Ezekiel 18:21-22. 2 Corinthians 10:5
Proverbs 15:29. Proverbs 18:12. 1 John 2:1-2. Ephesians 6:19. 2 Timothy 2:3-4. 1 Peter 4:14
Proverbs 23:12. Psalm 121:7-8. Ephesians 1:7. Deuteronomy 28:11-13. Romans 10:10. Romans 8:31
2 Peter 3:9. Isaiah 5:21. Proverbs 11:2. Matthews 5:16. Romans 12:14. James 1:8.
Psalm 58:11. Ezekiel 33:11-13. Hosea 14:9. Psalm 100:4. Romans 14:9. 2 Chronicles 32:8.
John 3:3-7. Philippians 2:11. Titus 2:11-14. Ephesians 4:2. Romans 11:33. Proverbs 12:1&26.
1 Timothy 1:15. Psalm 119:6. Proverbs 22:4. Psalm 46:1. Romans 12:17-21. 2 Chronicles 34&35.

#10 Frozenbeernuts

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Posted 23 February 2018 - 04:23 PM

Jordan Howard below Engram makes no sense to me

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Posted 24 February 2018 - 03:14 PM

Jordan Howard below Engram makes no sense to me

 
 
There is a ton of dynamism in dynasty rankings even beyond the individual player evaluations and I think you picked a tough comparison.
 
The two are tough comps because of both age and expected production.
 
To illustrate the point I'd say elsewhere on this list, to a certain extent:
 
Ingram is to Howard as Brady is to Goff.
 
The Brady - Goff comparison amplifies the idea but I think it helps examine the same effect.
 
Brady and Goff are 14/15 on the QB list and I agree they are about properly placed but there are rosters where I would have Brady rated way above Goff and others where I'd  have Goff above Brady or maybe not even value Brady at all.
 
Expected production in the upcoming year, expected development in the future, projected future situation (players and coaches surrounding), all come into play. 
 
Would one or two years of strong differentiation such as Brady has provided in the past worth the same as 15 years of averagish production with the hope/expectation it develops into more at some point?
 
Its really a roster dependent decision for me.
 
Of course the rub is if you are somebody who has extreme views.............Brady is done now, or Goff is a future superstar who the offense will focus on eventually, then there is no comparison and other rankings won't compute.
 
Circle back to the RBs now, and if you are a strong Howard believer, think he is elite, and the Bears offense productive enough that he has a strong chance of producing in the same range as Ingram going forward then Doug's rank wouldn't make sense. Or, if you think the Saints offense will be poor, or that Kamara will command AND BE CAPABLE of a much larger workload than Ingram going forward then JH should be much higher for you.
 
My own rankings are certainly different overall than Dougs but I think that Doug's relationship of Ingram to Howard is about right for me in the same way Brady and Goff are about right. I see Ingram's role and the NO offense/production as fairly certain for the upcoming year whereas I think Howard's role and the Bears offense has a much wider range of possibilities. I don't know what the Bear's new staff will put forward, but consider............ if they were to give Cohen a Chris Thompson-like role, which he may be capable of, then the value of Howard will probably come down to how well the Bears offense overall performs and how well they can score running TDs.
 
When I look at the two I personally am comparing the value of a fairly solid RB1 for a couple of years to the value of another RB with a wide range of outcomes of which I see mid-lower RB2 as the middle outcome for '18 .........but with a much longer career potential.
 
There are plenty of Howard believers out there who would understandably have him much higher if they were on board with him as RB 6 - 8 last year and think it was a fluke he underperformed, perhaps you are one. I personally thought he was one of the most risky picks in the draft at the top of the 2nd round and see him as even riskier this year.
 
The overall point I'm trying to make though is dynasty ranks are tough and dynamic. Tweak a view of one player a bit, the other player a bit, and suddenly there is alot of space in between. If you are an owner who generally values youth over vet production or vice verse that's another gap. Even if your view is mainstream on both, you may yourself be roster dependent when it comes to the values of each as I am with Brady/Goff.



#12 lesjroza

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Posted 24 February 2018 - 03:35 PM

Great list for sure at this point for conversation. I just think there is a little over use of Upside and Risk tags for QBs and RBs. 10 of top 17 QBs show as risk and 7 of top 11 RBs?

 

 

Agree that its about and for conversational fun this time of year. I don't know Dougs own reasoning on the specific use of risk, upside etc......... but for me I won't even attempt extensive relative rankings at this point in the year because things like free agency and draft can and will change situations so much in a very short time. Rehabilitation from injuries will take take the risk factor away or heighten it on individual players as well in the next few months.

My guess is the asterisk list will be much smaller come summer, kudos for even making the attempt.



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Posted 25 February 2018 - 08:06 AM

Don't forget also. Everyone's rankings are their own personal rankings, and not the gospel. Great reading material, and the reasoning is good just incase you might've forgotten something about someone. But again, it's their own thoughts.

To be quit honest. I don't want anyone else valueing players the same way I do. If everyone did. It would be a hell of a lot harder to try and get those guys.
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#14 Quickolas1

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Posted 26 February 2018 - 03:18 PM

Doubt Gronk plays past the age of 30.
He should probably be a lot lower like Brady, Fitz and the other 1-2 year plays.