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**Look-Alike Players 2015: Ben Roethlisberger vs. Drew Brees**

Who would you choose first in a redraft: Roethlisberger or Brees?  

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  1. 1. Redraft: Roethlisberger or Brees?

    • Ben Roethlisberger
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    • Drew Brees
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It's time for another summer of Look-Alike Player threads...if you're new to the Board, every few days during the summer, I will try to post a thread that lists two players who are very close in value in redraft situations. Simply vote for the player you feel should be drafted first and then add comments about your selection if you would like.

This is non-PPR for Look-Alike matchups that involve RBs, WRs, or TEs. Just standard point for every 10 yards and 6 for TDs.

 

The third Look-Alike Matchup for this summer is: Ben Roethlisberger vs. Drew Brees

 

Two veteran QBs who can still put up huge yardage totals from week to week...

 

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Ben has so much more talent around him right now he gets my vote .

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My reasoning behind Brees is simply: History.

Recency bias affects us all as fantasy players. In particular, when an offense loses an established playmaker that is also a top-tier fantasy option. Jimmy Graham won't be easily replaced in New Orleans, but the thing about the Saints is: They've had the number one offense in the NFL in terms of total yards five times since Drew Brees has been there. Three of those times was before Jimmy Graham was even on the team.

A lot has been mentioned about the Saints becoming a more run-oriented offense. I don't necessarily know what that entails, but the year they won the Super Bowl their three leading running backs had a total of 389 rushing attempts. Last season their three leading backs totaled 347 attempts.

I also don't buy into the aging quarterback theories until they clearly demonstrate severe regression. Last season Brees had his 3rd highest completion percentage ever while attempting the 2nd most passes in his career. In reference to ESPN's QBR, Brees had his 3rd highest mark in that category since it's inception (2006). His quarterback rating was above his career mark of 95.4 as well. For a guy that "struggled" according to many fantasy experts, I'd definitely argue against that.

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I think Brees will end up with more points, but given that Rapistberger has an ADP of a round later, I think he's the better value.

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It will be interesting to see how Brees racks up the points with so few options. He has cooks, who i like a lot. After that though its pretty bleak. He really needs his o line to block well.

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A year ago, this wouldn't have been close. Now, I vote for Big Ben because the Steelers seem to want to play more of a wide open offense while the Saints seem to be trending towards more of a ball control offense.

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I think Brees will end up with more points, but given that Rapistberger has an ADP of a round later, I think he's the better value.

Eh. They're both being drafted in the 6th-7th round range. I don't necessarily think I'd split hairs regarding value at that point for a QB1.

 

Plus, the fantasy playoffs for Roethlisberger (@Cincy,Denver, @Baltimore) looks slightly (read: MUCH) more intimidating to me than Drew Brees's playoff schedule (@Tampa, Lions, Jaguars)

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Eh. They're both being drafted in the 6th-7th round range. I don't necessarily think I'd split hairs regarding value at that point for a QB1.

 

Plus, the fantasy playoffs for Roethlisberger (@Cincy,Denver, @Baltimore) looks slightly (read: MUCH) more intimidating to me than Drew Brees's playoff schedule (@Tampa, Lions, Jaguars)

FFC has Brees at 5.03, Rapistberger at 6.04.

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I'm wearing my homer owner glasses and say Brees. As far as becoming more of a running team I think Spiller is a plus for Brees.

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Voted Ben, based upon perceptions today.

This being uncertainty in New Orleans.

 

Brees is a much more valued qb from a career perspective.

May have a higher ceiling, today than Ben.

I just do not know if Saints have the pieces around him to achive that ceiling.

 

Ben is an ok QB who has rings. This is a more a situation.

Only reason this is a look alike thread here, is Brees has dropped down towards Bens tier.

 

 

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The year the Saints won the Super Bowl, they had a more balanced offense and Brees still put up great numbers. So I don't necessarily buy the "They'll be more of a run first team" argument.

 

Then again that was almost 6 years ago, so whatever.

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I think it's more of Big Ben's play moving up a tier the last few season more so than Brees dropping down a tier . Brees still had a great season last year .

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Who are these talents and weapons surrounding Ben? I see Bell and Brown. Who else?

M. Bryant

H. Miller

Wheaton

Sammie Coates

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You could make a case for both and this is one of those where I would be happy with either QB, I think you will see the RB's in New Orleans have a bigger role in the passing game especially Spiller and Colston is still a viable option. Ben has more weapons overall but also plays in a tougher conference which can come into play. Also Brees plays in a dome so that's a factor to consider as well. Like I stated before I think on draft day both are great options for your QB1 slot pick who you like and good luck.

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I would be a lot happier with the player that will score the more fantasy points , and that player will be Rothlisburger .

 

Looking at the Saints roster I don't see enough replacement players for the ones they lost . There is no true number one WR on this team . Cooks has a lot of talent but I'm not sure I see a true number one and who will be the deep threat , the moose Colston , who Toon nope , I don't see enough .

 

Right now I have it Rothlisburger .

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Last year I went in a crusade to prove that Brees was a trap pick that was great at home and meh on the road. I of course proceeded to take him in the 2nd rnd of my main league. He proceeded to have a yoyo season.

 

Tough call this year. Bens weapons are primed to explode and Brees offense has lost its punch. I'd hold off on sticking a fork in Drew though, he's only been a top qb for the last million straight fantasy seasons. He's earned benefit of the doubt.

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Why draft benefit , when you can draft the player that will score the most points . Look at that Saints roster from what I see I don't see Brees finishing in the top 7 in ff points .

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Not counting Graham what kind of weapons has Brees had the past few season?

Graham would be the go to WR and now who on that roster do you see taking that role and about the deep threat that was Stills and now who do you see on that roster taking that role ?

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Graham would be the go to WR and now who on that roster do you see taking that role and about the deep threat that was Stills and now who do you see on that roster taking that role ?

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nor/2008.htm

Drew Brees threw for over 5,000 yards with THAT as his team. And that was before the NFL was calling breathing on a defenseless player as a penalty. Lance Moore was the only person on that team to catch more than 52 passes, and the only receiver with more than 50 catches.

 

Do you really think Lance Moore, (then) Marques Colston, Devery Henderson, and Robert Meachem

 

are THAT much better than

 

Brandin Cooks, (now) Marques Colston, (now) Robert Meachem, Brandon Coleman, and Nick Toon?

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Yes. . They where the ones catching the passes when Brees threw for the 5000. How many yards does this group have from Brees plus I'm sure Meachem does not play on the team now

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Yes. . They where the ones catching the passes when Brees threw for the 5000. How many yards does this group have from Brees plus I'm sure Meachem does not play on the team now

 

So from what I can decipher through whatever language this is:

 

The gist of your argument lies on the fact that THEY already accomplished this feat.

 

Also that the current group of Saints haven't worked with Drew Brees that long and don't have experience.

 

Outside of Marques Colston, those other aforementioned wide receivers (Meachem, Henderson, and Moore) had a COLLECTIVE total of 85 catches from Drew Brees for a total of 1,466 yards prior to week 1 of the 2008 regular season.

 

Brandin Cooks has nearly half that total in 10 games his rookie season last year. I fail to see how experience with the receiving corps negates a top caliber quarterback in the current NFL.

 

For the argument where C.J. Spiller is injury prone, what do people think Reggie Bush was while with the Saints? He missed 20 games with the Saints. If Spiller can come close to 2006-2007 Reggie Bush numbers, I'd consider him a pretty good weapon for Brees as well.

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So from what I can decipher through whatever language this is:The gist of your argument lies on the fact that THEY already accomplished this feat.

Also that the current group of Saints haven't worked with Drew Brees that long and don't have experience.

Outside of Marques Colston, those other aforementioned wide receivers (Meachem, Henderson, and Moore) had a COLLECTIVE total of 85 catches from Drew Brees for a total of 1,466 yards prior to week 1 of the 2008 regular season.

Brandin Cooks has nearly half that total in 10 games his rookie season last year. I fail to see how experience with the receiving corps negates a top caliber quarterback in the current NFL.

For the argument where C.J. Spiller is injury prone, what do people think Reggie Bush was while with the Saints? He missed 20 games with the Saints. If Spiller can come close to 2006-2007 Reggie Bush numbers, I'd consider him a pretty good weapon for Brees as well.

 

Agree I think If Spiller can stay healthy can have a very good season . Could be a top ten Rb in PPR . But Ben will out score Brees this season , sorry just the way it will be . I don't have any argument I am posting that Ben will out score Brees .

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Last season Brees out scored Ben by 14 points , I think Graham is worth that 14 points . Ben has the better talent around him and he will out score Brees this season in ff .

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Last season Brees out scored Ben by 14 points , I think Graham is worth that 14 points . Ben has the better talent around him and he will out score Brees this season in ff .

Don't forget Ben also had a two game span where he threw for 12 TDs and 862 yards. An average year from Brees was still better than a career year from Ben.

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Last season Brees out scored Ben by 14 points , I think Graham is worth that 14 points . Ben has the better talent around him and he will out score Brees this season in ff .

 

I see your point and I respect it. I also have to agree with Masterminds call on Ben having a career year last year. I don't see him putting up those kind of numbers again.

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I think that the career trajectory of Big Ben matches that of Brady: some early success (mostly attributed to the team D) but not really seen as an elite fantasy QB (ala Manning). For Brady, the stars aligned with Moss and Welker coming to town and he proved that he could put up big numbers, too. It seems that the stars may be just about to align similarly for Big Ben.

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Don't forget Ben also had a two game span where he threw for 12 TDs and 862 yards. An average year from Brees was still better than a career year from Ben.

Now that's also true . Those two games where unbelievable .

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Why draft benefit , when you can draft the player that will score the most points . Look at that Saints roster from what I see I don't see Brees finishing in the top 7 in ff points .

Not counting Graham what kind of weapons has Brees had the past few season?

Exactly. Since when has Brees had a stellar offensive cast around him besides Graham the last few years? How many times has Brees finished outside the top 5 qbs as a saint? Never? Cmon now, Brees makes guys into stars.

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This will be the season .

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