Would you guys veto this trade?

[eagles115 23]

Steve smith(car) for correll buckhalter?

[fingerbang!! 0]

No.

 

an underperforming WR with a struggling quarterbacker

for

an overperforming RB who is coming off an injury and into a lesser portion of a 70/30 RBBC

 

Smith is probably the more valuable of the two at this moment as he is getting plenty of targets but, buckhalter is running for an incredible YPC behind a ridiculous run-blocking oline so the fact that his touches are somewhat limited isn't too problematic - like an Ahmad Bradshaw lite.

 

seems reasonable, definently not vetoable whatsoever.

[PanicAttack 13]

NO!

 

Collusion is the ONLY reason for veto. We don’t see what the two teams need and it really does not even matter. If the two teams involved think the trade is fair and helps their team then so be it.

 

You can’t veto stupidity lol.

[cdogge 17]

It certainly is veto'able

 

Just depends though... Does the guy giving up Steve Smith have a lot of WR depth?? Is he 0-5 or 1-4 with no shot of making the playoff's? <-- and he is trying to help a buddy out???

 

Questions you have to ask yourself...

 

 

But holding everything constant.... player for player I would veto the Sh*t out of that....

[Knowsome Bobarino 0]

No. I am not a big believer in vetoing trades, unless its obvious collusion. I've been commissioner of my leage for 18 years and have never had to even consider vetoing a trade. The secret is to get good, respectable guys in your league, and everything else just works out.

 

I've had questionable guys in my league in the past, but I'm quick to remove them to uphold the integrity of our league. Getting back to the subject, even if you determine it's a one sided trade, that doesn't mean it necessarily is. And it's not our job to evaluate it, just to prevent any sort of collusion. That's it.

 

You may not like the deal for the Buckhalter owner (presumably), but it's still not vetoable.

[Dr Hook 6]

It certainly is veto'able

 

Just depends though... Does the guy giving up Steve Smith have a lot of WR depth?? Is he 0-5 or 1-4 with no shot of making the playoff's? <-- and he is trying to help a buddy out???

 

Questions you have to ask yourself...

But holding everything constant.... player for player I would veto the Sh*t out of that....

 

 

I am glad I am not in your league. Unless you can prove collusion you can't veto. People take advantage of people all the time. You might as well not allow trades if your going to veto this.

[Phurfur 70]

I never veto trades but it do replace owners. I don't see a need for either here.

[cbfalcon 824]

That trade is nowhere near 50/50. He is at least 55/45 and may even be 60/40 in one teams favor.

 

Thus, you have to veto it. Can't be letting trades like this ruin the competitive balance of the league.

[cdogge 17]

I am glad I am not in your league. Unless you can prove collusion you can't veto. People take advantage of people all the time. You might as well not allow trades if your going to veto this.

 

I guess I didn't make myself clear enough... I'm talking about collusion...

 

If I'm in that league and I see that trade the first thing I'm thinking is "well...somebody knows their season is over & wants to help a buddy" <-- That my friends is collusion...

 

 

All I'm saying is.... Unless this dude has Fargas and Mcfadden as his RB's and Larry Fitz & Andre has his WR's.... Nobody in their right mind would do this trade..

[Watchdog 0]

That trade is nowhere near 50/50. He is at least 55/45 and may even be 60/40 in one teams favor.

 

Thus, you have to veto it. Can't be letting trades like this ruin the competitive balance of the league.

 

 

I just threw up in my mouth a little...

[cdogge 17]

I am glad I am not in your league. Unless you can prove collusion you can't veto. People take advantage of people all the time. You might as well not allow trades if your going to veto this.

 

 

So, what your saying is you only play in shitty leagues with newbs that you can take advantage of... I can't fault you for wanting to win some money... But I like fair & balanced competition.

[cbfalcon 824]

I just threw up in my mouth a little...

 

Why?

 

Unfair trades can ruin a league faster than anything.

[Phurfur 70]

That trade is nowhere near 50/50. He is at least 55/45 and may even be 60/40 in one teams favor.

 

Thus, you have to veto it. Can't be letting trades like this ruin the competitive balance of the league.

 

 

Please provide the LINK to these stats or do you just know more than everyone else.

[Dr Hook 6]

Yahoo has Steve Smith @ 26pts for the year and Buckhalter with 39 What is the big deal? One guy likes Buck better than Smith.

[Turf CamelToe 1]

Not unless Collusion is evident. Maybe Team getting Correll has Moreno or needs RB Depth and has lots of WR???

[cbfalcon 824]

Please provide the LINK to these stats or do you just know more than everyone else.

RB Rankings

WR Rankings

 

Buckhalter doesn't even make the rankings.

 

Steve Smith is 5th overall.

 

There is your link. Not a fair trade in the least.

[Watchdog 0]

Why?

 

Unfair trades can ruin a league faster than anything.

 

Because your margin for error on your part is ridiculously small. "My gut says you only have a 45% chance of getting the better of this trade, so I'm vetoing it."

[Dr Hook 6]

RB Rankings

WR Rankings

 

Buckhalter doesn't even make the rankings.

 

Steve Smith is 5th overall.

 

There is your link. Not a fair trade in the least.

 

Steve Smith WAS 5th overall, what about now?

[BigBlue7 0]

Definitely not a fair trade especially with the recent happenings in Denver.

 

This trade definitely smells funny. The two involved are probably buddies correct? If so...VETO.

 

As many have already stated...there's no reason to make this trade. Has to be something funny going on.

 

If the two involved don't know eachother...let it go.

[cbfalcon 824]

Steve Smith WAS 5th overall, what about now?

 

It's still very early in the season. We don't crown a batting average champion after week 1 when guys are still hitting .800 do we?

 

The answer is NO. As for now, you still have to assume people will do what they were projected to do.

[Dr Hook 6]

Yahoo has Buckhalter at 29th among RB and SS is 43. Sounds like Buckhalter is the better of the two.

[jamco 1]

I don't see how this would even raise one red flag.

Its a wash.

 

Buckhalter will be just as reliable as Smith.

[cbfalcon 824]

Because your margin for error on your part is ridiculously small. "My gut says you only have a 45% chance of getting the better of this trade, so I'm vetoing it."

 

5% is a pretty big variance.

 

If you give me the 60% end of a deal and we bet 1 dollar 100 times, I'd be up $20 on you (My 60 to your 40).

 

That's huge.

[Dr Hook 6]

Let's bet a buck on who ends up with more points this year between the two. You can have your choice and I will take the other guy.

[Dr Hook 6]

A projection is just a prediction on what a person should do. It is not an exact science by any means. That is whay they actually play the games.

[cbfalcon 824]

Let's bet a buck on who ends up with more points this year between the two. You can have your choice and I will take the other guy.

 

That doesn't make sense.

 

The only way it makes sense is if they play the season 100 times. My guy would win 60% of the time, and I'd be up big money.

[cbfalcon 824]

A projection is just a prediction on what a person should do. It is not an exact science by any means. That is whay they actually play the games.

 

Obviously.

 

But that doesn't make trading a top 5 WR for a backup running back a fair trade. Gotta veto it if you are in a decent league.

[rockafella 0]

at posting preseason rankings to justify the unbalance.

[BigBlue7 0]

Yahoo has Buckhalter at 29th among RB and SS is 43. Sounds like Buckhalter is the better of the two.

 

 

Based on this logic...

 

After week 1 we could have let a santonio holmes for fitz and roddy white trade go through.

 

On points alone Fred Jackson is still more valuable than most RB's....would you allow a Jackson for Turner trade? Or a Jackson for Gore?

 

Either way...still comes down to collusion.

[Dr Hook 6]

That doesn't make sense.

 

The only way it makes sense is if they play the season 100 times. My guy would win 60% of the time, and I'd be up big money.

 

It makes perfect sense in this case. Your guy would win 60% of the time is everything hold true as to when the stats come out. Things change. Smith is on a horrible team right now and Buckhalter is doing better than expected. BUT things could change and you cannot Veto on the possibility of one maybe doing better than the other.

[Deuce Blue 0]

Jesus these questions are so stupid as are the people that think trades need to be 100 % even for them to be ok.

 

Look at last year folks. Portis is tearing up the league through the first 4 or 5 games. Now if someone would have traded say DWill for him people would have been all insane, thats not a fair trade, blah,blah,blah. And who would have had the better end of the deal by years end??

 

Lord, unless there is FOR SURE team stacking or it is a Brees for a kicker deal LET IT GO.

 

Everyone has a right to run his/her team as they see fit. AS THEY SEE FIT, not as everyone else sees fit.

 

Veto's are a last resort for obvious cheating only.

 

GOD I AM SO SICK OF THESE PEOPLE!!!!!

[cbfalcon 824]

Based on this logic...

 

After week 1 we could have let a santonio holmes for fitz and roddy white trade go through.

 

On points alone Fred Jackson is still more valuable than most RB's....would you allow a Jackson for Turner trade? Or a Jackson for Gore?

 

Either way...still comes down to collusion.

 

Exactly.

 

Is Miles Austin for Randy Moss or Fitzgerald fair? Austin has scored more. Nevermind that he is a backup.

 

Is Orton for Peterson fair? Orton has scored more.

[Blaneyfan 0]

A projection is just a prediction on what a person should do. It is not an exact science by any means. That is whay they actually play the games.

 

Exactly, and who's to say which projection is going to come through?

 

Veto a trade because YOU think one side is getting the better is awful arrogant. What if the other guy is right and his guy does turn out way better? Because of somebody being a ###### someone gets screwed out of a shrewd trade.

[KSB2424 3,083]

[BigBlue7 0]

Jesus these questions are so stupid as are the people that think trades need to be 100 % even for them to be ok.

 

Look at last year folks. Portis is tearing up the league through the first 4 or 5 games. Now if someone would have traded say DWill for him people would have been all insane, thats not a fair trade, blah,blah,blah. And who would have had the better end of the deal by years end??

 

Lord, unless there is FOR SURE team stacking or it is a Brees for a kicker deal LET IT GO.

 

Everyone has a right to run his/her team as they see fit. AS THEY SEE FIT, not as everyone else sees fit.

 

Veto's are a last resort for obvious cheating only.

 

GOD I AM SO SICK OF THESE PEOPLE!!!!!

 

 

AMEN.

[Dr Hook 6]

Done and Done

[djrockstar 0]

This is all crazy talk. Does the NFL evaluate a trade to ensure that it's "fair" for both teams? The idea that people think they are the definitive evaluator of talent is mind boggling. Your opinion of one player isn't shared by everyone. Maybe this guy LOVES Buckhalter. Maybe he HATES Smith. Why does the commissioner get to sit on a throne and dictate a players value?

 

For the record, I wouldn't trade away S.Smith for Buckhalter. I'm a commissioner of my league and I work hard to make sure my league stays competitive. We urge people to post players onto the trading board so the entire league knows who's for sale. We've even wagged our finger at teams when it looks like they're taking advantage. But you have to let people do what they want ... UNLESS it's collusion. On paper, collusion and stupidity can look like the same thing. And determining whether there's collusion almost never has anything to do with the players traded and everything to do with team behavior and inter-team relationships. Is the Smith owner not setting his lineup? Is he not actively trying to make his team better (ie, dropping Laurent Robinson for a waiver pickup)? Are the two owners best friends and there has been chatter of stacking one team? Is the Smith owner seeking out the rest of the league to see what he can get for Smith? What does each team have in the way of WR's and RB's? Does the Smith owner have Moreno? These questions reveal way more than whether Smith>>Buckhalter.

[Quickolas1 80]

anyone saying veto is probably a communist

 

edit: my 5,000th post and proud of it's content!!!!

[KSB2424 3,083]

anyone saying veto is probably a communist

Hey, the fantasy football system needs change. And some hope.

[Phurfur 70]

RB Rankings

WR Rankings

 

Buckhalter doesn't even make the rankings.

 

Steve Smith is 5th overall.

 

There is your link. Not a fair trade in the least.

 

 

 

My point was that the only opinion that counts here is the opinion of the team owner. It is her team and she can do what she wants with it.