The Cardinals

[Frozenbeernuts 1,652]

Seem to believe Edmonds is a better rb than Johnson and have benched Johnson for full series because of it

[seafoam1 1,878]

ok.

[jackjohn 31]

I was wondering the same thing, why is he on the sideline? Why did they pay him 30m guaranteed?

[seafoam1 1,878]

Seem to believe Edmonds is a better rb than Johnson and have benched Johnson for full series because of it

Yeah, no teams ever take their starting RB out for a series during a game. Johnson must be terrible.

[Frozenbeernuts 1,652]

Yeah, no teams ever take their starting RB out for a series during a game. Johnson must be terrible.

I love DJ, I think he is awesome. But the Cards also didn't want to use him when he was insane as a rookie, so ya never know.

[ST_Pete 3]

Original post was a bit of a troll, but 3rd and 2 and the game is on the line...and you give it to the rookie out of Fordham. What a joke.

[SexyRexy 60]

Original post was a bit of a troll, but 3rd and 2 and the game is on the line...and you give it to the rookie out of Fordham. What a joke.

This right here is the point here.

[CornKobb 48]

Original post was a bit of a troll, but 3rd and 2 and the game is on the line...and you give it to the rookie out of Fordham. What a joke.

 

THAT RIGHT THERE. F THAT COACHING STAFF. MAKES ZERO SENSE.

[Frozenbeernuts 1,652]

Original post was a bit of a troll, but 3rd and 2 and the game is on the line...and you give it to the rookie out of Fordham. What a joke.

Pretty much my point. I may have been a little on the drunk side when I posted it

[Maulers1973 117]

I would have fired OC McCoy by now. This offense is as vanilla and unimaginative as could be. They had the entire off-season to prepare and this is the garbage we get?? It's not ALL on the offensive line as the coach alluded to when asked about that 3rd down play. Terrible, terrible play calling the whole game really!!

[Frozenbeernuts 1,652]

I would have fired OC McCoy by now. This offense is as vanilla and unimaginative as could be. They had the entire off-season to prepare and this is the garbage we get?? It's not ALL on the offensive line as the coach alluded to when asked about that 3rd down play. Terrible, terrible play calling the whole game really!!

I am nervous about the Bears play calling. Most of the plays, even pass plays, are starting around or behind the LoS. I give the coaches credit because they are trying to get their play makers the ball, but it's all smoke and mirrors. There is no real creativity with this offense. They need to do a much better job of getting the ball to their players in stride. Trubisky has zero open options mid to deep

[shutdown 40]

I am nervous about the Bears play calling. Most of the plays, even pass plays, are starting around or behind the LoS. I give the coaches credit because they are trying to get their play makers the ball, but it's all smoke and mirrors. There is no real creativity with this offense. They need to do a much better job of getting the ball to their players in stride. Trubisky has zero open options mid to deep

I think the thing to be nervous about is Trubisky. I think the play calling has to be simplified because the game is still too fast for him.

[jackjohn 31]

I think the thing to be nervous about is Trubisky. I think the play calling has to be simplified because the game is still too fast for him.

This.

 

Watching him yesterday, he seemed to lock on a guy and wait for him to get open, as opposed to going through his progressions. There were a couple of guys wide open when he threw into double coverage.

[Maulers1973 117]

Yet, the Cardinals still lost that game. * hard eye roll *

[Law 220]

Steve Wilks is giving Hue Jackson a run for his money. May have even passed him as the most clueless coach in the NFL.

[seafoam1 1,878]

Steve Wilks is giving Hue Jackson a run for his money. May have even passed him as the most clueless coach in the NFL.

I know that everyone on this site likes to rail on Hue Jackson, but here is an excerpt from an article by Joe Thomas, ex-Brown future HOF lineman:

 

"In 2016 and ’17, the Cleveland Browns went 1–31. One win in two seasons. When you look at the record on it's own, it’s abysmal. Horrible. Monumentally poor. But I’m glad that the Browns, a team I’ve proudly spent my entire pro career with, decided to retain Hue Jackson as head coach after two awful seasons in the standings. It wouldn’t be fair to judge Hue based on his record after just two seasons because few NFL teams have put themselves at such a disadvantage in order to save assets and focus on winning three or four years down the road."

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/01/23/cleveland-browns-hue-jackson-head-coach

 

Let's see how he does this year.

[brotherbock 349]

I know that everyone on this site likes to rail on Hue Jackson, but here is an excerpt from an article by Joe Thomas, ex-Brown future HOF lineman:

 

"In 2016 and ’17, the Cleveland Browns went 1–31. One win in two seasons. When you look at the record on it's own, it’s abysmal. Horrible. Monumentally poor. But I’m glad that the Browns, a team I’ve proudly spent my entire pro career with, decided to retain Hue Jackson as head coach after two awful seasons in the standings. It wouldn’t be fair to judge Hue based on his record after just two seasons because few NFL teams have put themselves at such a disadvantage in order to save assets and focus on winning three or four years down the road."

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/01/23/cleveland-browns-hue-jackson-head-coach

 

Let's see how he does this year.

 

And after decades of terribleness, at what point do we stop blaming the coaches who come and go? What's the common denominator in all their awful seasons?

[seafoam1 1,878]

 

And after decades of terribleness, at what point do we stop blaming the coaches who come and go? What's the common denominator in all their awful seasons?

Ownership and management. Give Jackson 2 more years and then judge him now that they actually have some players and are rid of that 5 year hangover named Josh Gordon . That article was written from a guy who lived through it as a player. If anyone should be pissed at losing so much because of the constant selling off of players for draft picks, it would be him.

[brotherbock 349]

Ownership and management. Give Jackson 2 more years and then judge him now that they actually have some players and are rid of that 5 year hangover named Josh Gordon . That article was written from a guy who lived through it as a player. If anyone should be pissed at losing so much because of the constant selling off of players for draft picks, it would be him.

 

Exactly. The same owners keep hiring different people and the team still sucks. Hmmmm....

[Frozenbeernuts 1,652]

Nah, Hue is horse shlt at coaching. Always has been. He started the season with Tyrod. The Browns could have 2 wins right now. That is all on his dumb ass.

[tanatastic 2,061]

Nah, Hue is horse shlt at coaching. Always has been. He started the season with Tyrod. The Browns could have 2 wins right now. That is all on his dumb ass.

Easy 3-0 if they start Mayfield if you think about it.

[seafoam1 1,878]

Nah, Hue is horse shlt at coaching. Always has been. He started the season with Tyrod. The Browns could have 2 wins right now. That is all on his dumb ass.

There are not many coaches in the league that start rookie QBs. Can't blame them for that.

[Frozenbeernuts 1,652]

There are not many coaches in the league that start rookie QBs. Can't blame them for that.

What year is this? Rookie qbs start all the time. Also, you are saying we shouldnt punish a guy for playing it safe and sticking to the status quo. If anything, coaches should be punished more for that when they are wrong. Too many coaches play it safe too often because of this mentality. They think there will be less blow back if they just use the defense Well no one else does it that way....

 

On top of all that, Mayfield was the better qb from when he got to camp. I don't care how much experience gap there is, if a team has a chance in hell without getting their young qb murdered, they need to start the better player. Hue had 1 win in like 35 games or something insane. His horse shlt coaching and horse shlt management style lead to that. He honestly probably thought Taylor was the better qb, that's how big of a nothing Hue is as an NFL head coach

[jrokh 567]

Cleveland beat writer Mary Kay Cabot explained the decision to start Tyrod mostly because the Browns had a rookie starting left tackle, who is an undrafted free agent, and they wanted to make sure he could play before throwing mayfield out there. Not sure I buy it but it makes some sense.

[Frozenbeernuts 1,652]

Cleveland beat writer Mary Kay Cabot explained the decision to start Tyrod mostly because the Browns had a rookie starting left tackle, who is an undrafted free agent, and they wanted to make sure he could play before throwing mayfield out there. Not sure I buy it but it makes some sense.

:lol:

 

What a load of shlt. They couldn't tell that in camp?? I thought it was pretty obvious. If I could see it but Hue couldn't, then why do we trust his judgement at all?

[jrokh 567]

In camp they were mostly using Joel Bitonio at left tackle, they only moved Desmond Harrison there late in the game. That being said Hue Jackson deserves zero respect about anything relating to coaching

[seafoam1 1,878]

What year is this? Rookie qbs start all the time. Also, you are saying we shouldnt punish a guy for playing it safe and sticking to the status quo. If anything, coaches should be punished more for that when they are wrong. Too many coaches play it safe too often because of this mentality. They think there will be less blow back if they just use the defense Well no one else does it that way....

 

On top of all that, Mayfield was the better qb from when he got to camp. I don't care how much experience gap there is, if a team has a chance in hell without getting their young qb murdered, they need to start the better player. Hue had 1 win in like 35 games or something insane. His horse shlt coaching and horse shlt management style lead to that. He honestly probably thought Taylor was the better qb, that's how big of a nothing Hue is as an NFL head coach

How many QBs were drafted this year, and how many started game 1?

[Frozenbeernuts 1,652]

How many QBs were drafted this year, and how many started game 1?

2 QBs this year. Mayfield is the best out of this qb class most likely and he wasn't the one to start. Most years there are about 2. Since 2008 there 5 years with 2 starters, 2 years wirh 1 starter, and 1 year with 5 starters. Like I said, it happens all the time and it is not an excuse.

 

I could just imagine Hue going into the presser and saying Well, Mayfield was the better qb, but us head coaches don't usually start rookies so that's why I didn't start Mayfield.

[seafoam1 1,878]

2 QBs this year. Mayfield is the best out of this qb class most likely and he wasn't the one to start. Most years there are about 2. Since 2008 there 5 years with 2 starters, 2 years wirh 1 starter, and 1 year with 5 starters. Like I said, it happens all the time and it is not an excuse.

 

I could just imagine Hue going into the presser and saying Well, Mayfield was the better qb, but us head coaches don't usually start rookies so that's why I didn't start Mayfield.

So Rosen, Mayfield, Allen, Darnold, Jackson, and Rudolph all started game 1?

 

Get over it dude. You have less insite to the organization than Joe Thomas who said Jackson got screwed by ownership and should be given a chance.

[Frozenbeernuts 1,652]

So Rosen, Mayfield, Allen, Darnold, Jackson, and Rudolph all started game 1?

 

Get over it dude. You have less insite to the organization than Joe Thomas who said Jackson got screwed by ownership and should be given a chance.

Never said they did. I don't know why you interpret things you read so poorly.

 

When I see that Mayfield is better than Taylor, yet the coach can't, that's a major problem. Isn't Hue supposed to be a qb Guru also? I don't care about insight when the clear best qb on the team is benched for no reason. They should have just kept him benched if it was so scary out there for him

[seafoam1 1,878]

Never said they did. I don't know why you interpret things you read so poorly.

 

When I see that Mayfield is better than Taylor, yet the coach can't, that's a major problem. Isn't Hue supposed to be a qb Guru also? I don't care about insight when the clear best qb on the team is benched for no reason. They should have just kept him benched if it was so scary out there for him

See that's the problem. The way you attempt to make your points. The reader needs to interpret the meaning because you are attemptung to use fuzzy logic. Only not in a good way either. After the fact.

[tanatastic 2,061]

They spent a 3rd on Tyrod and the sunk cost fallacy is a trap many fall into. Well I paid a lot for the guy so I have to play him even if he isnt the best player. Also some guys are practice MVPs and you never know what you really have til you get a guy in a regular season game.

[ralphster 274]

I like Hue the man and coach. Don't think much of the Browns recent record is on him as much as it was the dysfunctional GM and ownership.

 

That said he's got the rest of this year to put together a winner, else he'll be out on his as$.

 

edit: I liked the idea of keeping Mayfield on the sidelines for this year - worked wonders for Mahommes & I believe that was what Hue was trying to do.

[Frozenbeernuts 1,652]

I like Hue the man and coach. Don't think much of the Browns recent record is on him as much as it was the dysfunctional GM and ownership.

 

That said he's got the rest of this year to put together a winner, else he'll be out on his as$.

 

edit: I liked the idea of keeping Mayfield on the sidelines for this year - worked wonders for Mahommes & I believe that was what Hue was trying to do.

I dont think keeping Mahomes on the sidelines meant he would be better this year. Mayfield looked good. We will see, but if he does well this year, like we have seen rookies do in the past, I think any argument that says rookies need to sit a year should be done. Either a guy is good enough to start from day one, or he isn't. Doesn't mean he won't have room to grow, but he actually doesn't have the ability to start (keeping in mind if he plays for a poor coach), then he probably Will not he a franchise qb

[jackjohn 31]

I dont think there is a single way that helps/hurts a qb. Some guys are ready for the NFL day 1, and some guys could sit a year and learn. My personal opinion is that it depends more on the offensive line than anything else. If the oline is swiss cheese, it probably is better to sit a half year or a year. If the oline is good and there is even half of a running game, that QB stands a chance to produce. If he is under pressure all the time, confidence goes out the window and it takes a strong mentality to get over that. I think Mayfield has a good chance to be productive. Rosens situation may be a little different. With that being said, it's still not a definitive situation, not all QBs with poor teams will fail, and not all QBs with strong teams will succeed.