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#41 RaiderHater's Revenge

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 11:39 AM

Who is paying for it?
And who is sending their kids to a prison like building to be educated?

 

We can afford it

And the best educations come from schools that are already designed like prisons

 

I would send my kid to school like that as opposed to a open campus public school


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Posted 18 May 2018 - 11:44 AM

Turn schools into prisons. Hell, let's militarize them. Send the nation guard to protect every school in America. Add high fencing, barb wire, metal detectors, watch towers, bomb sniffing dogs, armed teachers, body scanners, maybe a moat with alligators, and a draw bridge. That should do it. What an awesome place of education, learning, and development our schools have become.

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 11:46 AM

Just a thought. And that's really all it is. But look at a place like Disneyland for example. It should be a prime target. In fact, it was for the idiot who shot up Pulse. They're doing something right. Tons of acreage, tons of people, and still nothing like this ever.

I'm just saying, in the absence of any better suggestions, maybe we have a sit-down with them?
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Posted 18 May 2018 - 11:47 AM

Turn schools into prisons. Hell, let's militarize them. Send the nation guard to protect every school in America. Add high fencing, barb wire, metal detectors, watch towers, bomb sniffing dogs, armed teachers, body scanners, maybe a moat with alligators, and a draw bridge. That should do it. What an awesome place of education, learning, and development our schools have become.

 

no need to go so far, or get crazy

 

maybe National Guard is a good idea though, put a couple at every school 


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Posted 18 May 2018 - 11:48 AM

Just a thought. And that's really all it is. But look at a place like Disneyland for example. It should be a prime target. In fact, it was for the idiot who shot up Pulse. They're doing something right. Tons of acreage, tons of people, and still nothing like this ever.

I'm just saying, in the absence of any better suggestions, maybe we have a sit-down with them?

 

and what does Disneyland have that schools dont?

 

Metal Detectors, bag searches and armed guards....you may be on to something


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Posted 18 May 2018 - 11:51 AM

I'll tell you the one thing I could really do without. And this goes all the way back to Columbine. Long after the active shooter is down and everything is sorted, that's when we start seeing 300 Cops show up in full Kevlar and battle Rattle and military-style weaponry running around in groups of six or more pretending like they're bad asses with their best Rambo attitudes and behaviors.

This does nothing for anybody. In fact, if anything it just further traumatize is already traumatized kids.

And by the way? Now that you've rolled 300 units from every surrounding community? Now a shitload more people are less safe. Mean while you guys are just getting a boner because you finally get to whip out your Kevlar and play Soldier for a while.

Every shooting it's like this. Not nearly enough response when it's needed. Cowering outside until 300 other Cops show up to provide you with extra donuts. And then two hours after the fact? Then you bring in enough troops to invade Guatemala.
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Posted 18 May 2018 - 11:53 AM

I'll tell you the one thing I could really do without. And this goes all the way back to Columbine. Long after the active shooter is down and everything is sorted, that's when we start seeing 300 Cops show up in full Kevlar and battle Rattle and military-style weaponry running around in groups of six or more pretending like they're bad asses with their best Rambo attitudes and behaviors.

This does nothing for anybody. In fact, if anything it just further traumatize is already traumatized kids.

And by the way? Now that you've rolled 300 units from every surrounding community? Now a shitload more people are less safe. Mean while you guys are just getting a boner because you finally get to whip out your Kevlar and play Soldier for a while.

Every shooting it's like this. Not nearly enough response when it's needed. Cowering outside until 300 other Cops show up to provide you with extra donuts. And then two hours after the fact? Then you bring in enough troops to invade Guatemala.

 

this is true, and not once have we heard of after the shooting being over, it start again


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Posted 18 May 2018 - 11:58 AM

Put a couple armed guards in every school. When the shooters figure out which entrances the guards aren't at, put armed guards at every entrance. When someone manages to sneak a gun into class and shoot people, put metal detectors at every entrance. When someone figures a way around that, arm all the teachers. If the armed teachers don't stop shootings, maybe we can train and arm some of the more trustworthy kids.

 

 

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 12:03 PM

National Guard is not funded or staffed to be daily security at every school in the country.  Not an option.


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Posted 18 May 2018 - 12:10 PM

National Guard is not funded or staffed to be daily security at every school in the country.  Not an option.

 

its just where you start until you can train a staff at every school

 

I also guarantee that every high school in the country has a dad or uncle or someone who works in construction, hire locally for each school to install fences/walls and gates


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Posted 18 May 2018 - 12:17 PM

Honestly, one of the things I've been saying on here for years now is I don't know how much longer we're actually going to have brick-and-mortar public schools. They're a failure across the board. Something like this and the 300 other ones exactly like this? They just accelerate the process.

Everyday, you see more and more online options. And, kids are different than they were 20 years ago. You wouldn't think of leaving your 10 year old Home Alone, but now maybe it's safer than risking a school shooting. Even though statistically it's not.

But you couple this with the increasing number of parents who telecommute and maybe that's our new solution.

Add in, those people who contribute the least to the economy are bitching and moaning that they deserve equal facilities and equal capabilities for their childrens schools. And liberals fall right in line for that. And, there just isn't enough of an economic base to go around.

So, we go back to the old days. Homeschooling and or three or four neighbors getting together to school their kids. I'm sure somehow the libruhls will biitch and moan that that's racist, fuk them. If it's privately funded? Then they have no say whatsoever.
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Posted 18 May 2018 - 12:18 PM

You people are so blind. Trump is building the wall so that he can charge an entrance fee to all the illegals. That money will pay for it

 

But who is paying for that wall?



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Posted 18 May 2018 - 12:19 PM

 

We can afford it

And the best educations come from schools that are already designed like prisons

 

I would send my kid to school like that as opposed to a open campus public school

 

And I didn't ask if we could afford it...we can afford a lot of things.

Who is going to pay for it?

I will send my kid to a regular school...not a prison.

There is no need for armed guards standing at metal detectors as 10 year olds walk into a middle school.



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Posted 18 May 2018 - 12:20 PM

Shooter had commie and Nazi pins on his trench coat. Definitely another crazy leftist.



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Posted 18 May 2018 - 12:23 PM

 
But who is paying for that wall?

Damn man, this is the Trump were talking about! He'll get contractors to build the wall, then short pay them, then declare bankruptcy! Problem solved.
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Posted 18 May 2018 - 12:27 PM

 

And I didn't ask if we could afford it...we can afford a lot of things.

Who is going to pay for it?

I will send my kid to a regular school...not a prison.

There is no need for armed guards standing at metal detectors as 10 year olds walk into a middle school.

 

your kid is getting a crappy education anyways so there is that, might as well have them at the highest risk

 

meanwhile I never hear about private military schools getting shot up


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Posted 18 May 2018 - 12:31 PM

 
its just where you start until you can train a staff at every school
 
I also guarantee that every high school in the country has a dad or uncle or someone who works in construction, hire locally for each school to install fences/walls and gates


Ooh, Halliburton can rake in some more government contracts if we add turrets to the walls!

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 12:31 PM

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 12:33 PM

 
your kid is getting a crappy education anyways so there is that, might as well have them at the highest risk
 
meanwhile I never hear about private military schools getting shot up


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Posted 18 May 2018 - 12:34 PM

Shooter had commie and Nazi pins on his trench coat. Definitely another crazy leftist.


Hows that when neo nazi types and the like are definitively a right wing extremist thing? Isnt that the whole point? The neo nazis that were trendy recently were hardcore trump supporters even though he never supported or condoned their actions at all yet people pretty much blamed him for it.

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 12:35 PM

Since we're looking for new ideas. Let's abandon this whole nonsense about cruel and unusual. Okay, for this will keep the cruel part. But unusual is fairly subjective anyway. Making somebody wear orange and shower with a bunch of men seems pretty unusual to me. So how about this

These are mostly all teenage boys. So, for the ones that live? We stripped them naked and put them on a full-time 24-hour YouTube channel for people to make fun of his Winky. I bet that really cuts down on the number of shooters.
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Posted 18 May 2018 - 12:36 PM

Hows that when neo nazi types and the like are definitively a right wing extremist thing? Isnt that the whole point? The neo nazis that were trendy recently were hardcore trump supporters even though he never supported or condoned their actions at all yet people pretty much blamed him for it.


Some, I assume, are good people...
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Posted 18 May 2018 - 12:37 PM

Hows that when neo nazi types and the like are definitively a right wing extremist thing?


There are only two possibilities when a mass shooting happens: the shooter was a liberal or the shooter looked conservative but was mentally ill so it doesn't count.

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 12:38 PM

Hows that when neo nazi types and the like are definitively a right wing extremist thing? Isnt that the whole point? The neo nazis that were trendy recently were hardcore trump supporters even though he never supported or condoned their actions at all yet people pretty much blamed him for it.

 

You believed all that sh!t? 



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Posted 18 May 2018 - 12:38 PM

 

your kid is getting a crappy education anyways so there is that, might as well have them at the highest risk

 

meanwhile I never hear about private military schools getting shot up

 

My kid is getting a crappy eductation?  not really.

Oh...so now we are moving on to private military schools as a comparison.  Do they have fully armed guards and metal detecters?  All of them?  Or is there maybe other reasons they have not yet been targets?

And the cost of those?  

Are you starting to see these things cost a lot of money yet?  Get where I am coming from?

If we can fund it...find a way.



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Posted 18 May 2018 - 12:40 PM

 

My kid is getting a crappy eductation?  not really.

Oh...so now we are moving on to private military schools as a comparison.  Do they have fully armed guards and metal detecters?  All of them?  Or is there maybe other reasons they have not yet been targets?

And the cost of those?  

Are you starting to see these things cost a lot of money yet?  Get where I am coming from?

If we can fund it...find a way.

 

Your kid is going to military school? You are going to flip a sh!t after bootcamp when he switches to the Republican Party and mans the fock up.



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Posted 18 May 2018 - 12:41 PM

I seem to be the only one truly looking at solutions from A New Perspective.

The anti-bullying thing certainly isn't working.

Back in my day, we had full on bullying and we didn't have this kind of crap.

Ipso fatso, some of these kids just need their ass kicked. And some of them need their ass kicked on a daily basis.

Fock, if I had to walk around on liberal eggshells like I'm seeing in the news these days, every day at school? I'd be ready to shoot people too.
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Posted 18 May 2018 - 12:42 PM

 

You believed all that sh!t? 

 

You have anything to refute it?

Or anything to back up that this was some nutty leftist...just going off the one hammer and sickle pin?



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Posted 18 May 2018 - 12:43 PM

 

Your kid is going to military school? You are going to flip a sh!t after bootcamp when he switches to the Republican Party and mans the fock up.

 

Where did I say he was?



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Posted 18 May 2018 - 12:43 PM

 
Your kid is going to military school? You are going to flip a sh!t after bootcamp when he switches to the Republican Party and mans the fock up.


Best start looking for a good specialist now.

Them GOP Bonespurs can be tricky.
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Posted 18 May 2018 - 12:48 PM

 

meanwhile I never hear about private military schools getting shot up

 

uhhhh.... Cadet Captain David Shawn ring a bell?   :rolleyes: 



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Posted 18 May 2018 - 12:51 PM

Big picture thoughts....

 

The pro gun side is firm on not giving any ground whatsoever on anything, and they succeed by convincing their supporters that any ground given is the first step in taking away all of your guns. In short, they've emotionally made it an all or nothing issue for gun supporters and that is forcing more gun control types to argue it from that perspective.............. I personally think this is a lack of recognizing the direction of the tide. I'm oversimplifying, but pro gun people are born, whereas gun control people are born but also created with each of these type incidents.

 

So for the pro-gun side, what is the plan? Currently you have the edge, so you've turned this into an all or nothing policy debate and haven't had to take any significant hits whatsoever. But once the majority shifts to the Nothing side, is the plan to then hope those that want to ban guns will negotiate differently with their edge, and thus agree to a middle ground? Does that seem likely based on our current political landscape and the culture war that seems destined to divide our country?


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Posted 18 May 2018 - 12:54 PM

Shooter was 17yr old kid who was bullied. Nothing political or deep here guys, classic case of nerd who snapped.
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Posted 18 May 2018 - 12:56 PM

Shooter was 17yr old kid who was bullied. Nothing political or deep here guys, classic case of nerd who snapped.
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Posted 18 May 2018 - 01:00 PM

Banning commercial firearm sales is the only solution. Since that'll never happen, not worth discussing.

All you can do is hope gun violence mostly effects gun right supports instead of innocent people.


So gun rights supporters arent innocent people? Geez, lock me up, then.
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Posted 18 May 2018 - 01:03 PM

Dimitrios Pagourtzis??

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 01:05 PM

I'll tell you the one thing I could really do without. And this goes all the way back to Columbine. Long after the active shooter is down and everything is sorted, that's when we start seeing 300 Cops show up in full Kevlar and battle Rattle and military-style weaponry running around in groups of six or more pretending like they're bad asses with their best Rambo attitudes and behaviors.

This does nothing for anybody. In fact, if anything it just further traumatize is already traumatized kids.

And by the way? Now that you've rolled 300 units from every surrounding community? Now a shitload more people are less safe. Mean while you guys are just getting a boner because you finally get to whip out your Kevlar and play Soldier for a while.

Every shooting it's like this. Not nearly enough response when it's needed. Cowering outside until 300 other Cops show up to provide you with extra donuts. And then two hours after the fact? Then you bring in enough troops to invade Guatemala.

 

And how much money is spent on the aftermath?  Perhaps the cost to prevent would be less.  Not to mention we would have significantly less kids killed...at least at school.



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Posted 18 May 2018 - 01:12 PM

Gun store owners in that community are dancing in the streets right now. Soon, hordes of new customers will flood their stores to arm themselves. This is Xmas day for them.

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 01:18 PM

I seem to be the only one truly looking at solutions from A New Perspective.

The anti-bullying thing certainly isn't working.

Back in my day, we had full on bullying and we didn't have this kind of crap.

Ipso fatso, some of these kids just need their ass kicked. And some of them need their ass kicked on a daily basis.

Fock, if I had to walk around on liberal eggshells like I'm seeing in the news these days, every day at school? I'd be ready to shoot people too.

:doublethumbsup:  :first:



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Posted 18 May 2018 - 01:28 PM

meanwhile, what is the root of all this

 

Bullying

 

and quite frankly, when we started going overboard with protecting kids from bullying, they got weaker, and the weaker are the ones that snap.  Maybe if when they are 8 and get picked on we just let it happen, where were the shootings in the 80s?


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