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Could he do this or not?

 

I'm looking at the Insurrection Act of 1807:

 

Whenever the President considers that unlawful (assemblages) against the authority of the United States, make it impracticable to enforce the laws of the United States in any State or Territory by the ordinary course of judicial proceedings, he may call into Federal service such of the militia of any State, and use such of the armed forces, as he considers necessary to enforce those laws.

 

It sounds to me like its at the President's discretion. Trump COULD argue that he has been repeatedly rebuffed by the state of California for years on securing the border, and that California has been openly hostile to attempts to build the wall by threatening to make it difficult for any contractor who works on the wall to find future work plus they employ sanctuary cities. He could then argue that TOGETHER the combined assemblage of (1) the hostile state government of California with (2) an incoming massive illegal caravan makes it impractical to enforce the laws of the US and therefore he can call up the Army to guard the border.

 

I'm sure the democrats will argue he is simply wrong on all counts. But it would seem to me he could make a case that the huge caravan PLUS the hostile state government warrants it.

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If he has the authority and chooses to exercise that authority, then so be it. I may not agree, but I am not responsible for the safety and security of all American Citizens.

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Send the Marines.

 

Nah, they are an assault force, if you wanted to rapidly take something, then you would use them, they have no training in management of humans.

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Will be fun in SD if he closes the border and sends military. I would enjoy the chit show. Most the illegals come through Texas anyway.

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Winner. Came here to post this.

 

Congress would grab him by the posse.

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Only seen the headline, and it says that these people are mostly Honduran. If so, what the is Mexico doing? They're actually really brutal about illegal immigrants. Irony of all ironies.

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Honestly, I don't think the Americans are going to be solved until we own them. We might as well. Be cheaper and safer. Fine, Bring Canada in. Fine, let Brazil Oro matter have extreme South America. Who the wants Patagonia anyway?

 

Point is, even Mexico has proven that it's not capable of self-rule. They are all technically failed States.

 

Besides, our flag could use some more pretty stars.

 

Hey, you guys said you wanted to be American citizens. Here you go!

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Do they scatter like cockroaches once they get within eyesight of the US border?

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Nah, they are an assault force, if you wanted to rapidly take something, then you would use them, they have no training in management of humans.

 

...and make a lot of the enemy die for their country then its definitely the Marines you want.

 

If you want a force to go in, muck around, not really know what their doing and leave a mess - then you can send in the Army. ;)

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How would this apply to Trump doing this? I'm not seeing it. :dunno:

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How would this apply to Trump doing this? I'm not seeing it. :dunno:

Immigration is a domestic policy which is enforced by ICE, Border patrol, etc. US military can't be used on US soil to enforce domestic policies without congressional approval.

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Immigration is a domestic policy which is enforced by ICE, Border patrol, etc. US military can't be used on US soil to enforce domestic policies without congressional approval.

 

I can see an easy way around that: Trump sends the military 10ft over border to stop them on Mexican soil!

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...and make a lot of the enemy die for their country then its definitely the Marines you want.

 

If you want a force to go in, muck around, not really know what their doing and leave a mess - then you can send in the Army. ;)

I know. It sucks. :mad:

 

Not that I ever had to do that, thankfully. But seeing it foisted onto my former colleagues is one of the major reason why I despise GWB so completely.

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U.S. and Mexican officials have agreed on a plan to handle the approaching migrant caravan making their way up from Central America, a senior administration official told Fox News on Thursday.

 

Under the deal, which was developed over the course of several months, Mexico will request that the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) establish shelters along its southern border with Central America, the official said.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/us-mexico-agree-on-plan-to-handle-migrant-caravan-from-central-america

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U.S. and Mexican officials have agreed on a plan to handle the approaching migrant caravan making their way up from Central America, a senior administration official told Fox News on Thursday.

 

Under the deal, which was developed over the course of several months, Mexico will request that the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) establish shelters along its southern border with Central America, the official said.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/us-mexico-agree-on-plan-to-handle-migrant-caravan-from-central-america

 

more winning

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Read your own link. It says the Insurrection Act supercedes the Posse Comitatus act. And I quote from your link.

 

There are a number of situations in which the Act does not apply. These include:
Federal armed forces used in accordance to the Insurrection Act, as was the case of the 1st Marine Division and 7th Infantry Division being sent to curtail the 1992 Los Angeles riots.
Enforcement of federal law at the discretion of the President of the United States, such as with the 101st Airborne Division by President Dwight D. Eisenhower to integrate Little Rock Central High School in 1957.

Explain to me how the 3rd division can be sent into Los Angeles to put down the 1992 riots, or Eisenhower can send the 101st Airborne into Little Rock to enforce federal desegregation law in 1957 BUT you believe Trump cannot send the Army to enforce the border and stop illegal immigration. Please note, congress did not give approval in 1957 nor 1992. Without a compelling argument, it would appear that citing the Posse Comitatus act in this case is nothing more than a talking point among people against the action and not actual good law.

 

To further understand the grey area here, again read from your own link:

 

Federal troops have a long history of domestic roles, including occupying secessionist Southern states during Reconstruction and putting down major urban riots. The Posse Comitatus Act prohibits the use of active duty personnel to "execute the laws"; however, there is disagreement over whether this language may apply to troops used in an advisory, support, disaster response, or other homeland defense role, as opposed to domestic law enforcement.

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Why aren't liberals stepping up and taking these people in?

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Hmmmmm.....let us ponder this for a moment. Thousands of Hondurans coordinate a mass migration right before midterms? Sound like another "Soros" plan to me.

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Why aren't liberals stepping up and taking these people in?

 

Because acting requires actual effort, holding a sign and yelling is low cost...

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What Trump could do in this scenario is just send the 3rd Division in to defend the border and cite the 1992 LA riots as an example of controlling a mob situation with the Army. If Congress wishes to dare challenge his authority to do this, take it to the court of public opinion and trust he will win there and warn congress of the backlash if they try to stop him. Most presidents are weak and would bow to "legal scholars" asserting the President does not have this power. Bush41 would cower and stand down for example. Trump might not.

 

In real life, legal scholars can assert but that does not necessarily mean they win the debate.

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Hmmmmm.....let us ponder this for a moment. Thousands of Hondurans coordinate a mass migration right before midterms? Sound like another "Soros" plan to me.

Good timing to take attention off of Elizabeth High Cheek Warren

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Because acting requires actual effort, holding a sign and yelling is low cost...

Don't forget online petitions!!! Very low cost and SO EFFECTIVE!

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...and make a lot of the enemy die for their country then its definitely the Marines you want.

 

If you want a force to go in, muck around, not really know what their doing and leave a mess - then you can send in the Army. ;)

Exactly. Im not interested in managing these animals. Take em out. Send a message.

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You know, we're pretty much the only country who refused to sign off on the ban on the production and use of landlines.

 

 

I'm just saying.

 

 

Walls are an Eyesore.

 

Mines are a great new gambling alternative and one hell of a source of potential Revenue.

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Seriously. From what I've seen, this kind of pisses me off. "Honduras sucks! Open your borders America! We're mad at you!"

 

 

It's the same thing with Mexico and all those other shitholes. Hey here's a thought Juan, why don't you hold your own fuucking government responsible for something? And why don't liberals do the same thing here? Instead of protesting the US government handling of Honduras, why don't you beat the shiit out of the Honduran government?

 

Nothing worse than the not so subtle racism of Lowered Expectations.

 

 

 

We can't expect them to be competent. They're not white!

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Why aren't liberals stepping up and taking these people in?

Uh... Us liberals are all involved in a program titled Adopt a Hunduran. You're not a liberal so you didnt get the memo

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You know, we're pretty much the only country who refused to sign off on the ban on the production and use of landlines.

I am against the government forcing me to get a cell phone.

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I am against the government forcing me to get a cell phone.

I'm against the part where Trump now has the ability to universally send diick pics to the entire world.

 

Talk about your Mushroom Clouds..

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What parents should know about the polio-like paralyzing disease the CDC is warning about

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/10/18/parents-guide-polio-like-paralyzing-disease-acute-flaccid-myelitis/1680621002/

 

 

 

OBAMA’S BORDER POLICY FUELED EPIDEMIC, EVIDENCE SHOWS (from 2014)

The deadly EV-D68 enterovirus epidemic, which struck thousands of kids this fall, was likely propelled through America by President Barack Obama’s decision to allow tens of thousands of Central Americans across the Texas border, according to a growing body of genetic and statistical evidence.

https://dailycaller.com/2014/10/31/obamas-border-policy-fueled-epidemic-evidence-shows/

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Winner. Came here to post this.

 

Congress would grab him by the posse.

My posse's on Broadway :bandana:

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What parents should know about the polio-like paralyzing disease the CDC is warning about

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/10/18/parents-guide-polio-like-paralyzing-disease-acute-flaccid-myelitis/1680621002/

 

 

 

OBAMAS BORDER POLICY FUELED EPIDEMIC, EVIDENCE SHOWS (from 2014)

The deadly EV-D68 enterovirus epidemic, which struck thousands of kids this fall, was likely propelled through America by President Barack Obamas decision to allow tens of thousands of Central Americans across the Texas border, according to a growing body of genetic and statistical evidence.

https://dailycaller.com/2014/10/31/obamas-border-policy-fueled-epidemic-evidence-shows/

If this continues, Obama will be the worst president of the next decade too.

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Criminals target women, children as migrant caravan makes its way to Mexico

 

Kolken says criminals sometimes embed themselves in migrant caravans and target unsuspecting individuals.

(Criminals) have infrastructure that is built up already and are put into place inside the caravans, he said.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/criminals-target-women-children-as-migrant-caravan-makes-its-way-to-mexico

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