How much should I give up to land SA?

[The Riddler 0]

12 team, 3 player keeper league where the SA owner butchered hs draft beyond belief. He now has only 1 starting RB (SA) and we start 2 with a RB/WR flex. My team is looking OK right now, but I'm always looking to improve. I want to get SA by giving up as little as possible. It's a keeper league, so I can throw in picks for next year and pitch him on a "rebuilding year".

 

I guess the question is, is it worth it for me to go after Alexander now or should I hold off for a while? If I make an offer now, what should it be?

 

My team

RB: Rudi, Foster, F Taylor, T Jones, Blaylock, Bennett

WR: S Smith, Harrison, Bryant, Moulds, S Parker

 

His team

RB: SA, Moats, B Jacobs, M Morris, C Fason

WR: Mason, ROY, M Jones, Engram

 

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[Ray_T 589]

well, for what I think it's worth, I dont think this is a situation where you can make the deal.

 

for what you would need to give up(a top player, and a top draft pick and maybe another player and possibly more if he is a tough negotiator), I dont think Alexander will put you over the top.

 

Of course, i havnt seen the rest of your team so I cant say for sure.... but the part of the team I do see, doesnt look like a championship squad.

 

If I were to make a package deal of that sort, I'd go after a younger player Like LT or LJ. then you have a couple years to build around him. Given SA's age, that's not an option. You deal for guys like him to win this year.

[The Riddler 0]

I don't see why I'd have to overpay to get Alexander. Did you see his roster? Ryan Moats is his #2 RB right now. He's not making the playoffs and he knows it.

 

 

Of course, i havnt seen the rest of your team so I cant say for sure.... but the part of the team I do see, doesnt look like a championship squad.

 

Brady is my QB, and Heap is my TE. I'd put my team against anyone else's at this point as far as championship contention.

[mkuz 0]

if i were you i would propose rudi and foster for alexander and g. jones.

you may be giving up your 2 best rb's but you will be getting the best rb out there and the handcuff for your f. taylor. and as long as t. jones if the starter you probably will start him either in the flex or as a rb anyway.

 

your team no trade

bulger

rudi

foster

jones

smith

harrison

heap

your team with trade

bulger

alexander

jones

taylor

smith'

harrison

heap

 

i like it better after the trade, you just lose some depth.

[Jeremy 0]

You really have 3 players with any trade value. Rudi, S. Smith, and Harrison. You'd have to give up 2 of those to have a shot at getting Alexander in a keeper league. Unless you're willing to give that up, you're probably out of luck.

 

Since it's a keeper league and he knows he doesn't have a shot at making the playoffs this year, I don't see why he'd sell off his best player cheaply. He can build around Alexander for a few more years.

[4thand26 0]

I agree with mkuz, by getting SA you've got your stud and by getting Jones you're getting Taylor backup on a good squad. You'll be starting T. Jones over Foster anyway.

 

http://www.fftodayforums.com/forum/index.p...howtopic=224098

[mggoilers 0]

If I owned Alexander, and you came a calling.

 

I'd ask for the following from your team:

 

Rudi/Steve Smith or Marvin Harrison ... you choose and that's a starting point

 

You don't have a 2nd RB worth trading for...you reach a point where his team sucks with or without SA. His lone bright spot is SA, and he should get at least 2 very good starting RB's or the package I suggested for starters.

 

He won't just bend over. You shouldn't get upset, but asking for his best player and a top 3 player...you shouldn't expect a weak response. Have to pay to play.

 

Some team in your league has a nice RB squad, cause these 2 teams have one RB each.

[bigmark3333 11]

you can propose tihngs like rudi and deshaun, but honelsty i dont see him biting than for less than what others have been saying, rudi/ssmith or harrison, and honestly i dont think its worse it. maybe rudi/harrison for s alexander bc harrison is geting older, but i'd stay put.

 

plz see mine

 

http://www.fftodayforums.com/forum/index.p...howtopic=224088

[The Riddler 0]

Good responses all. Thanks for the input. A few comments:

 

You really have 3 players with any trade value. Rudi, S. Smith, and Harrison. You'd have to give up 2 of those to have a shot at getting Alexander in a keeper league. Unless you're willing to give that up, you're probably out of luck.

 

Since it's a keeper league and he knows he doesn't have a shot at making the playoffs this year, I don't see why he'd sell off his best player cheaply. He can build around Alexander for a few more years.

 

Seems like a lot of people are really down on Foster. All reports are that he's in great shape, he's the clear starter on a run-first offense, and Williams has been unimpressive. I don't get why people are so down on him but high on guys like McGahee and Kevin Jones. But I guess that's why he fell to me, and same with Jones and Taylor. I'll gladly take them over those busts.

 

Also, I'm not so sure how long you can build around Alexander. He turns 30 next year, and he costs a 1st round pick if kept. Things change so much from year to year, guys aren't on top for more than a few year span.

 

 

If I owned Alexander, and you came a calling.

 

I'd ask for the following from your team:

 

Rudi/Steve Smith or Marvin Harrison ... you choose and that's a starting point

 

You don't have a 2nd RB worth trading for...you reach a point where his team sucks with or without SA. His lone bright spot is SA, and he should get at least 2 very good starting RB's or the package I suggested for starters.

 

He won't just bend over. You shouldn't get upset, but asking for his best player and a top 3 player...you shouldn't expect a weak response. Have to pay to play.

 

Some team in your league has a nice RB squad, cause these 2 teams have one RB each.

 

Again, why no love for Foster? I don't have a 2nd back worth trading for, he hasn't got a 2nd back...period! But you're right, his team sucks with or without SA. I'm not upset if he asks for a lot, I just feel like he's dealing from a weakened position, so no need for me to overpay if I can get away with it.

 

I still don't get the last comment about each of these teams having one RB each. He has Alexander and a crew of backups. I have Rudi, Foster and Taylor who are all starters. Jones should be the starter, since apparently everyone hates Benson. Blaylock could be the starter (until Barlow learns the playbook, but it's the Jets so it's worthless anyway). So I have anywhere from 3-5 starting running backs. This is a 12 team league, and there are only 32 NFL teams. That means each team should have, on average, 2 2/3 starting RBs. I likely have 4.

[Jeremy 0]

Foster has never shown any ability to stay healthy. If he thought he could, they wouldn't have drafted Williams. Fred Taylor is even worse in that area and he's now in a full blown RBBC situation with Greg Jones. Thomas Jones is probably the starter for now, but at some point there is going to be pressure to get the very expensive Benson more playing time.

 

Rudi is the only RB I like on your roster. Sorry.

 

This guy doesn't seem to know what he's doing, though, so maybe you can convince him to take a bunch of scrubs and a couple picks for Alexander. I've seen that work. Offer Taylor, Jones, Moulds, Parker and a couple mid round picks in next years draft. Maybe the sheer quantity of players he would get will make him overlook the lack of quality.

[The Riddler 0]

Foster has never shown any ability to stay healthy. If he thought he could, they wouldn't have drafted Williams. Fred Taylor is even worse in that area and he's now in a full blown RBBC situation with Greg Jones. Thomas Jones is probably the starter for now, but at some point there is going to be pressure to get the very expensive Benson more playing time.

 

Rudi is the only RB I like on your roster. Sorry.

 

This guy doesn't seem to know what he's doing, though, so maybe you can convince him to take a bunch of scrubs and a couple picks for Alexander. I've seen that work. Offer Taylor, Jones, Moulds, Parker and a couple mid round picks in next years draft. Maybe the sheer quantity of players he would get will make him overlook the lack of quality.

 

Hey, everyone's got their opinions and I can respect that. But I think you're wrong. This article about Foster from Yahoo pretty well sums it all up:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=cr-p...o&type=lgns

If the Panthers didn't believe in Foster, they wouldn't have re-signed him this offseason, nor given him a $4.5 mil signing bonus.

 

Now, Fragile Freddy is an injury waiting to happen. But there was no risk in that pick since I got him so late. And he is not, contrary to what you might believe, in a RBBC situation. Quote from RotoWire 2 days ago:

When prompted by a reporter as to the identity of his feature back, Del Rio quickly replied, "Fred's our starting running back. I don't know why there's a Fred watch."

 

I do like the your idea of blindsiding him with a ridiculous number of players. I'll definitely have to try that. He got hosed in a pre-draft trade and has been falling apart since then, so it just might work.

[leftyguitar 0]

you're gonna have to give up at lease rudi and smith or harrison. not worth it for you to make the trade. as for foster... he has never made it through a season without getting hurt, and he's never had to play a full season as a number one... keep your fingers crossed.

 

please see my post:

http://www.fftodayforums.com/forum/index.p...howtopic=224133

[sharkie22 0]

If I were him (and I mean no offense) I can't see much trade possibility with you. He's got two very young and promising receivers already so I'm not sure Smith ultimately makes that much difference. He's probably hoping something does happen to Alexander so he can see what he's got with Morris (kidding) because there's not a lot of likely future among who he does have. Realizing this season is lost I'd be looking into teams that could give me two backs who are young with plenty of upside. Something along the lines of a Caddy or R Brown and a shot at either the first rookie next year or one of the top rookies this year. My thoughts would be on the fact I'm handing over 20 TD's and 1500+ yards and probably putting somebody over the top. Doubtful to find that deal I'd be pissed and definitely not let anyone take advantage of my situation.

[The Riddler 0]

Thanks, sharkie. I'm hoping to get to him before he starts thinking like you: logically. If I were in that position, I'd likely echo your post. But I wouldn't draft myself into that position.

[Ray_T 589]

well, you are also forgetting one thing.

 

if this season is lost... the name of the game is having the 3 best keepers at the end of the year so you can have a better team next year.

 

If I'm in his spot, I dont trade SA.

 

I would trade practically my whole roster to get another quality keeper to Go with SA, but I wouldnt trade SA himself.

 

it would take substantially more than market value to get him outta there if the guy knows anything about fantasy football.

 

on the other hand....

 

looking at his team, it may be fair to assume he doesnt know anything... so pursuing trade talks wouldnt hurt I guess. but if you send him a bunch of crap for him, theres a decent chance it will be vetoed anyhow.

 

I still feel the price you'd have to pay would be steep enough that you wouldnt help yourself too much this season.

 

The one guy was right, you would likely have to pay Rudi Johnson and one of your stud WR's and probably another player (most likely another RB)and some draft picks to even have a chance to get him.