The Presidential Election as Seen by a Middle of the Roader.

[Sho Nuff 719]

You guys are right. This guy is a complete moron.

What part of Cohen was because he is an outsider? Manafort? His lies about Russian contacts? His constant lies? Seriously...what part of what is happening has anything to do with being an outsider.

 

When in doubt and when you cant refute...do what the rest do and sling crap and ignore the questions.

There is a reason you and the rest cant defemd the crap you say...and its not about me.

[GhostofTEK 71]

Ive moved no goalposts...the Trump side has done that from the start though.

Ive never used the words steal it from Hillary and its telling that you all obsess about her so much.

If you are a middle of the roader tell us one, just one Rep. that you voted for.

[Sho Nuff 719]

 

Well, it was a nice attempt at a different kind of thread.

 

You live and learn..

 

Different? The thread has been done multiple times.

[Gladiators 1,904]

Yeah...he is different not a politician...when thats convenient.

 

When he gets busted lying again...well, all politicians lie.

 

Your excuse is BS. It has to do with him being likely a criminal, the most dishonest politician ever, hiring corrupt and incompetent people, and pissing off our allies and cozying up to dictators.

 

Do you ever think that when you're 75 years old you're going to look back and say, "Why did I spend nearly every waking minute of my life during an 8-year span pisssing and moaning about Trump?" Seriously. We only get so much time...You spend it doing this nearly all day, every day. It's pathetic and sad.

[trumpurethra 42]

I too vote the man not the party. I too sat this one out.

 

Thing is, Hilary won the popular, Trump won the electorate. That's the thing that bugs me most, the system in general. The whole thing stinks with the shenanigans you hear about at the polls, parties trying to shut certain voting places down, etc. etc. etc.

 

It bugged me in 2000 when Bush won. This one much more so because the difference was far more glaring. By the people for the people should mean just that. it shouldn't mean by the system. Make it simple, register and vote online. One person one vote and whoever gets the most votes wins. Not this county means just as many votes as this one even though this one has 100x more people.

 

No more electoral college, no more polling centers, no more crap. For the people by the people. Do that and remove money from politics. No more campaign contributions, PERIOD. No more C0ck brothers, no more Soros, none of it. No one, no corporation or group or special interest, no one can buy influence in the election at all PERIOD.

 

Do those two things and I think you will see faith restored to the system. Until then I think more of the same, the overwhelming majority of people do not trust the government at all.

[Sho Nuff 719]

 

Do you ever think that when you're 75 years old you're going to look back and say, "Why did I spend nearly every waking minute of my life during an 8-year span pisssing and moaning about Trump?" Seriously. We only get so much time...You spend it doing this nearly all day, every day. It's pathetic and sad.

Did you all feel that way after 8 years whining about Obama and now 20 years whining about the Clintons?

I dont spend all day nor every day. So your premise is completely false from the start and your worrying so much about what I do with my time rather than ever offering discussion is more pathetic and sad.

[GhostofTEK 71]

What part of Cohen was because he is an outsider? Manafort? His lies about Russian contacts? His constant lies? Seriously...what part of what is happening has anything to do with being an outsider.

 

When in doubt and when you cant refute...do what the rest do and sling crap and ignore the questions.

There is a reason you and the rest cant defemd the crap you say...and its not about me.

What part of Cohen and Manafort is about Russia? Even the Rep. heads exploded when he won the nomination. FBI. "We will stop him." "Backup Plan." No him being an outsider has nothing to do with the way both parties reacted.

[GhostofTEK 71]

I too vote the man not the party. I too sat this one out.

 

Thing is, Hilary won the popular, Trump won the electorate. That's the thing that bugs me most, the system in general. The whole thing stinks with the shenanigans you hear about at the polls, parties trying to shut certain voting places down, etc. etc. etc.

 

It bugged me in 2000 when Bush won. This one much more so because the difference was far more glaring. By the people for the people should mean just that. it shouldn't mean by the system. Make it simple, register and vote online. One person one vote and whoever gets the most votes wins. Not this county means just as many votes as this one even though this one has 100x more people.

 

No more electoral college, no more polling centers, no more crap. For the people by the people. Do that and remove money from politics. No more campaign contributions, PERIOD. No more C0ck brothers, no more Soros, none of it. No one, no corporation or group or special interest, no one can buy influence in the election at all PERIOD.

 

Do those two things and I think you will see faith restored to the system. Until then I think more of the same, the overwhelming majority of people do not trust the government at all.

I voted for Gore too. Never voted for a Bush. But the electoral college is important. Without it New York, California and Texas will decide every election. Our forefathers were pretty smart guys. We need to be very careful when we think about changing what they put in place.

[trumpurethra 42]

As far as Bernie being robbed, don't think so. Is what the DNC did to him shday and crappy? Sure, but they backed who they thought they should. They made a choice. The wrong choice but I don't think it was illegal. I don't think anything illegal happened at all during this election and during most elections. Shady and underhanded, sure, probably every election ever lol. But not illegal.

 

Just like I don't think anything with the Russians or supposed democratic voter fraud happened. I think this election went down like most all elections do, with the usual amount of sleaze and slime and just the right amount of grift to keep the whole sh!tshow moving along.

 

Again, this goes back to removing money from politics. The real crux of the problem and where 99% of the problems in politics come from, the money and how it influences the candidates/campaign/policy/etc.

[Sho Nuff 719]

What part of Cohen and Manafort is about Russia? Even the Rep. heads exploded when he won the nomination. FBI. "We will stop him." "Backup Plan." No him being an outsider has nothing to do with the way both parties reacted.

They were items from ind during the investigation (and Manaforts next trial deals with Russian issues). That was within the scope of Muellers work and how investigators work...they dont just close their eyes of they find other criminal acts.

His actions have to do with the reaction...not the outsider BS. His actions and contacts prior to and after the election. Its not a difficult concept and the Reps are enabling all of it now as well.

[trumpurethra 42]

I voted for Gore too. Never voted for a Bush. But the electoral college is important. Without it New York, California and Texas will decide every election. Our forefathers were pretty smart guys. We need to be very careful when we think about what they put in place.

 

NY, California and Texas absolutely SHOULD determine the election. It is where the MAJORITY of the PEOPLE live. The electoral college was designed during a time when everything and everyone was farmers. It was not designed to make some rural county in South Dakota with 50,000 people carry as much weight as one in Chicago with 5,000,000. And the parties, both of them, attempt to game this system to their advantage. Time to remove it from them.

[Gladiators 1,904]

Did you all feel that way after 8 years whining about Obama and now 20 years whining about the Clintons?

I dont spend all day nor every day. So your premise is completely false from the start and your worrying so much about what I do with my time rather than ever offering discussion is more pathetic and sad.

 

I take that as a "No."

 

I don't spend much time following politics, but I know this much...your pisssing and moaning will have 0 impact on the current president...next president...or the one after that...

 

I never whined about Obama or Clinton, though I can't focking stand Obamacare. I think Bush was a focking idiot. So what?

 

I read some of the political threads here mostly for entertainment purposes.

 

Keep up the good fight I guess.

[GhostofTEK 71]

 

 

Again, this goes back to removing money from politics. The real crux of the problem and where 99% of the problems in politics come from, the money and how it influences the candidates/campaign/policy/etc.

Totally agree with you there.

[GhostofTEK 71]

 

NY, California and Texas absolutely SHOULD determine the election.

I totally disagree with you here.

[TimmySmith 2,782]

No more electoral college, no more polling centers, no more crap. For the people by the people. Do that and remove money from politics. No more campaign contributions, PERIOD. No more C0ck brothers, no more Soros, none of it. No one, no corporation or group or special interest, no one can buy influence in the election at all PERIOD.

 

Do those two things and I think you will see faith restored to the system. Until then I think more of the same, the overwhelming majority of people do not trust the government at all.

You mean, say, a candidate using his own money, generally despised by Soros, Kochs, and the entire political/judicial/legislative machine. That type of thing. If only that could happen.

[12th Man 884]

You guys are right. This guy is a complete moron.

He flew over the cuckoos nest years ago.

[GhostofTEK 71]

You mean, say, a candidate using his own money, generally despised by Soros, Kochs, and the entire political/judicial/legislative machine. That type of thing. If only that could happen.

Like Oprah? Oh right. She doesn't want the job. I wonder why?

[trumpurethra 42]

You mean, say, a candidate using his own money, generally despised by Soros, Kochs, and the entire political/judicial/legislative machine. That type of thing. If only that could happen.

 

Are you alleging Trump self financed his entire campaign? Not 100% sure on the numbers but I do remember hearing that debunked shortly after the campaign started. He was on the super - pac tit just like the rest.

[5-Points 2,727]

Make it simple, register and vote online.

Fock that! Do you honestly believe this will solve the shenanigans problem? It will only make it worse.

 

Purge the voter rolls every 4 years after the presidential election. That gives everybody 2 years to register for the midterms. If you're too lazy to get to the polls on election day you shouldn't be allowed to vote. Absentee ballots for deployed service members only. Everybody else get off your ass and vote.

[MDC 5,890]

The only real story about this election is what happens when a non-political outsider actually wins, and how hard both parties will fight that person to protect their fake kingdom. Trump is a real danger to their status quo.

Theres definitely some truth to this.

 

Unfortunately Trump is also an emotionally unstable toddler and exactly the type of scumbag capitalist carny barker we dont need.

 

And at the end of the day, the insiders are only resisting Trump because he doesnt play their game with the same manners.

 

Trust me theyre not upset about tax cuts and corporate deregulation.

[GhostofTEK 71]

 

Are you alleging Trump self financed his entire campaign? Not 100% sure on the numbers but I do remember hearing that debunked shortly after the campaign started. He was on the super - pac tit just like the rest.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/12/08/donald-trumps-campaign-investment-hit-66-million/95178392/

[trumpurethra 42]

Fock that! Do you honestly believe this will solve the shenanigans problem? It will only make it worse.

 

Purge the voter rolls every 4 years after the presidential election. That gives everybody 2 years to register for the midterms. If you're too lazy to get to the polls on election day you shouldn't be allowed to vote. Absentee ballots for deployed service members only. Everybody else get off your ass and vote.

 

Shut ins? People who don't own a car? Severely handicapped?

 

That is just off the top of my head. Just thinking common sense. I know my life is crazy with work, kids, friends, etc., etc. I cannot imagine if I had to care for a friend or family member who needed serious help. Much less figure out a way to get them to the polls on election day.

 

But I don't have all day to myself. Don't have a ton of time to do whatever I want. Fock me right?

[crackattack 513]

 

NY, California and Texas absolutely SHOULD determine the election. It is where the MAJORITY of the PEOPLE live. The electoral college was designed during a time when everything and everyone was farmers. It was not designed to make some rural county in South Dakota with 50,000 people carry as much weight as one in Chicago with 5,000,000. And the parties, both of them, attempt to game this system to their advantage. Time to remove it from them.

And the larger states are rewarded with a more electorates. How many small states does it take a Republican candidate to win in order to equal California and NY which almost always vote dem? States with larger populations have more electorates. That's extremely fair and represents those dense population areas. This argument is dumb. Maybe Dem candidates should try and win middle America? So you want 5 or 6 states to determine the laws for the other 44-45. Thank god we have the system we do.

[5-Points 2,727]

 

Shut ins? People who don't own a car? Severely handicapped?

 

That is just off the top of my head. Just thinking common sense. I know my life is crazy with work, kids, friends, etc., etc. I cannot imagine if I had to care for a friend or family member who needed serious help. Much less figure out a way to get them to the polls on election day.

 

But I don't have all day to myself. Don't have a ton of time to do whatever I want. Fock me right?

Make election day a national holiday. Shut ins shouldn't vote. There are ways to facilitate getting the severely handicapped to the polls.

[TimmySmith 2,782]

Theres definitely some truth to this.

 

Unfortunately Trump is also an emotionally unstable toddler and exactly the type of scumbag capitalist carny barker we dont need.

 

And at the end of the day, the insiders are only resisting Trump because he doesnt play their game with the same manners.

 

Trust me theyre not upset about tax cuts and corporate deregulation.

An emotionally unstable toddler is about the only type of person who will make any movement against the DC politicos. Basically he is beating them at their own game, because they are cowards, afraid of losing a job that should not be their's for life in the first place.

[trumpurethra 42]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/12/08/donald-trumps-campaign-investment-hit-66-million/95178392/

 

So he took money. Thought I remember reading that. But so did Hilary obviously. I suppose if they both do it is fair?

 

I just think it needs to be removed from the equation. I think people would start to believe again if you did.

[drobeski 3,061]

And the larger states are rewarded with a more electorates. How many small states does it take a Republican candidate to win in order to equal California and NY which almost always vote dem? States with larger populations have more electorates. That's extremely fair and represents those dense population areas. This argument is dumb. Maybe Dem candidates should try and win middle America? So you want 5 or 6 states to determine the laws for the other 44-45. Thank god we have the system we do.

yep

[MDC 5,890]

An emotionally unstable toddler is about the only type of person who will make any movement against the DC politicos. Basically he is beating them at their own game, because they are cowards, afraid of losing a job that should not be their's for life in the first place.

Trumps agenda is 100% to enrich himself and stoke his own ego - thats it. He is exactly like any other scumbag Wall Street crony capitalist, only hes deranged and a rampant self promoter.

 

Its like the Koch Brothers meet Don King with a dash of Caligula.

[trumpurethra 42]

And the larger states are rewarded with a more electorates. How many small states does it take a Republican candidate to win in order to equal California and NY which almost always vote dem? States with larger populations have more electorates. That's extremely fair and represents those dense population areas. This argument is dumb. Maybe Dem candidates should try and win middle America? So you want 5 or 6 states to determine the laws for the other 44-45. Thank god we have the system we do.

 

I want the MAJORITY of PEOPLE to determine everything, including laws.

[crackattack 513]

 

I want the MAJORITY of PEOPLE to determine everything, including laws.

You sir, are the very definition of a Tyrant https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Tyranny_of_the_majority

. And this is why we have a representative democracy.

[Gladiators 1,904]

And the larger states are rewarded with a more electorates. How many small states does it take a Republican candidate to win in order to equal California and NY which almost always vote dem? States with larger populations have more electorates. That's extremely fair and represents those dense population areas. This argument is dumb. Maybe Dem candidates should try and win middle America? So you want 5 or 6 states to determine the laws for the other 44-45. Thank god we have the system we do.

 

[iam90sbaby 2,125]

I hate stupid people that don't understand how the electoral is a good thing.

[TimmySmith 2,782]

Trumps agenda is 100% to enrich himself and stoke his own ego - thats it. He is exactly like any other scumbag Wall Street crony capitalist, only hes deranged and a rampant self promoter.

 

I disagree. He has a strong eye toward business, Obama was all about socialism. People play to their strengths. Plus Trump is absolutely unwilling to continue in worldwide ventures where the US is expected to shoulder the load. He is unwilling to continue in trade agreements where we get the short straw. In the simplest of terms, he has kept his campaign promise of America first. People don't like the package, so be it.

[shorepatrol 1,737]

I should have known better when I saw the BBQ thread turned into a slap fight.

[shorepatrol 1,737]

 

NY, California and Texas absolutely SHOULD determine the election. It is where the MAJORITY of the PEOPLE live. The electoral college was designed during a time when everything and everyone was farmers. It was not designed to make some rural county in South Dakota with 50,000 people carry as much weight as one in Chicago with 5,000,000. And the parties, both of them, attempt to game this system to their advantage. Time to remove it from them.

You're insane

[MDC 5,890]

I disagree. He has a strong eye toward business, Obama was all about socialism. People play to their strengths. Plus Trump is absolutely unwilling to continue in worldwide ventures where the US is expected to shoulder the load. He is unwilling to continue in trade agreements where we get the short straw. In the simplest of terms, he has kept his campaign promise of America first. People don't like the package, so be it.

I dont hate the tariff / trade war stuff Trump is doing but I think hes going to lose that fight for a few reasons that are outside of his control.

 

Other than that Trump is offering boilerplate GOP policies, just louder / dumber with a populist spin. He may have crashed the party but hes playing the same records.

[GhostofTEK 71]

I feel your pain.

[jerryskids 5,198]

 

I want the MAJORITY of PEOPLE to determine everything, including laws.

 

So for instance, you want black people to have no rights?

[jerryskids 5,198]

Do you honestly believe Trump has interest in serving anyone but himself?

 

 

Trumps agenda is 100% to enrich himself and stoke his own ego - thats it. He is exactly like any other scumbag Wall Street crony capitalist, only hes deranged and a rampant self promoter.

 

Its like the Koch Brothers meet Don King with a dash of Caligula.

 

A whole lot of people think Trump has their interest at heart. And while I concede the hooge ego thing (and that being his initial motivation to run), he fundamentally likes people. I would bet a lot of money on him knowing the names of the doormen in his properties over Hillary knowing the name of her daughter. OK, not quite, but you get the point.

 

One of the fatal flaws of the left is their inability to deal with cognitive dissonance regarding Trump. As such they develop models like Exhibit A and B above. They can't even process the concept that he thinks he is helping people with his policies. And in 2 years he'll get re-elected. Rinse and repeat.

[Sho Nuff 719]

I disagree. He has a strong eye toward business, Obama was all about socialism. People play to their strengths. Plus Trump is absolutely unwilling to continue in worldwide ventures where the US is expected to shoulder the load. He is unwilling to continue in trade agreements where we get the short straw. In the simplest of terms, he has kept his campaign promise of America first. People don't like the package, so be it.

All about socialism...please dont call anyone else uninformed or stupid ever again with the absolute bullshit you post.

He has not kept America First at all...you are duped by an idiotic slogan.