Is Steven Jackson being under valued ?

[snatchit 108]

I know he is a bit gimpy right now but its minor. He scored 6 TD's in the last 6 games last year when he finally got healthy. Now he will have a better oline a healthy Julio and Roddy. Just saying at his ADP he sounds like a steal

[MDC 5,890]

SJax is actually one of those guys I have no interest in at all, he is no better than a spot starter RB 3/4 and offers zero upside as compared to several RBs ranked after him.

[giraldi02 470]

I could see him being a value near the end of drafts, but there's no way I'd pass on some of the younger high upside players going around the same timeframe. Old injured running backs are generally not very productive.

 

Spot starter at best...and probably only the first couple weeks of the season.

[roroco 75]

I had a Chevy Avalanche for 9 years. After a while, the oil leaked, the AC was iffy at best, the head gasket needed to be repaired, the radio died, and the tires were wore. I loved that truck, but now I drive a new Explorer.

 

The moral is the story? SJax is a 9 year old truck and getting old sucks.

[AnaheimRams 28]

He's undervalued as an artist maybe... but not as a football player.

[Matt Mueller 146]

Yes sir IMO. One of those guys that's being totally written off.

 

Surely he was TD dependent, so was Turner, but Sjax was PPR RB 12 weeks 11-17.

 

Unless he's totally done or Freeman lights it up this is still an offense that should have White and Jones healthy and be due for a bounce back.

 

Even if he's just the main goal line back and rotates in 60-70 yards weekly, with a few catches and TD some weeks seems doable to me.

 

 

Don't want to rely on him but as an RB 3-4 type that maybe you flex in good match ups sure.

[We Tigers 71]

I would call him undervalued if he wasn't already dealing with an injury in the preseason. I love the guy and have him to thank for many excellent fantasy seasons, but I'm likely to avoid him this year until his ADP falls below Devonta Freeman's.

[Matt Mueller 146]

He was a top 10 RB week 1 too...then he got hurt. I think the case could be made that he was a low end RB1 when he was healthy the first week and towards the end of the season.

 

Certainly you don't need to value or draft him like but with where's he's going I say why not.

 

 

You know what else? Look at his game log. Once he returned from injury the dreadful Atlanta offense with Jones and White still limping faced

 

@ Arizona

@ Carolina

Seattle

@ Bucs

 

All of those teams were impossible to run against last year.

 

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/gamelog/_/id/5549/steven-jackson

 

 

Once White got going and the offense got back to some form SJax was back to RB 1 territory to close the season.

[Matt Mueller 146]

He's much more on my radar now as a value redraft pick. I agree though if the injury lingers, and why wouldn't it at his age?, well then all bets are off.

[Kent 228]

He's great because someone else in my league will draft him. Then I'll draft Freeman near the end of the draft and have the Falcons starter for most of the year. I love SJax!

[Matt Mueller 146]

I'm fine taking Freeman too. Just pointing out that whoever Atlanta's RB was had a bunch of weeks of low end RB 1 production...

[weepaws 2,459]

I don't see him as a steal . Unless I can get him as a number four RB .

[jerryskids 5,197]

As a Cards fan I've watched him most of his career. He's slow and plodding in recent years. Now he's gimpy. There is no upside in an RB3 who might stumble over the goal line a few times before losing his job to injury and/or youth.

[J-Money 4]

How exciting would the falcons be if they traded for spiller

[snatchit 108]

I say good value around the 7th or 8th round... of course you would have to come back around and handcuff him. I cant help but think who ever it is will produce in that offence

[the spanker 28]

I say good value around the 7th or 8th round... of course you would have to come back around and handcuff him. I cant help but think who ever it is will produce in that offence

 

 

My thoughts as well. Took him at 8.01 in my ppr league and later cuffed him with Freeman.

[We Tigers 71]

If you do want him, you can get him for cheap. In my keeper league, where 18 RBs were kept, another 17 went off the board before Jackson was taken as RB36 overall. I took Fred Jackson one round before him, and grabbed Devonta Freeman one round after him.

[cyclone24 1,814]

Will he be in on passing downs? Thinking new orleans might get up on them a bit and dont want him taken out while they pass all day to keep up.

 

Debating on starting him over Richardson for that very reason.

[the spanker 28]

Will he be in on passing downs? Thinking new orleans might get up on them a bit and dont want him taken out while they pass all day to keep up.

 

Debating on starting him over Richardson for that very reason.

 

 

Richardson is playing against the Broncos. With Richardson's run abilities and the OL being greatly questioned right now, I'm putting Jackson in unless you can talk me out of it.

[ZeroTolerance 582]

SJax as my RB4. If he comes out strong in the first few weeks, I can try to flip him in a package for upgrades elsewhere.

[cyclone24 1,814]

Richardson is playing against the Broncos. With Richardson's run abilities and the OL being greatly questioned right now, I'm putting Jackson in unless you can talk me out of it.

 

I certainly can't......I'm rolling with Sjax, and probably vomiting all game.

[the spanker 28]

I certainly can't......I'm rolling with Sjax, and probably vomiting all game.

 

It's not that bad. I think for the price he's worth every penny. Look what supposedly washed up Turner did in that offense.

 

Based on the end of last year when Sjax came back healthy he put up nice numbers. IMHO As long as you have his cuff it's all upside from there.

[Kent 228]

It's not that bad. I think for the price he's worth every penny. Look what supposedly washed up Turner did in that offense.

 

Based on the end of last year when Sjax came back healthy he put up nice numbers. IMHO As long as you have his cuff it's all upside from there.

He's been a DND for smart fantasy players for years now.

[IGotWorms 3,311]

When the wheels come off, it's all over for an RB.

 

Name me an RB that ever had a late-career resurgence? That got a lot of carries, approached 30, had a substantial drop off in production, and then came back?

 

There's gotta be one or two in NFL History but I would never bank on it happening

[American Chewy 98]

When the wheels come off, it's all over for an RB.

 

Name me an RB that ever had a late-career resurgence? That got a lot of carries, approached 30, had a substantial drop off in production, and then came back?

 

There's gotta be one or two in NFL History but I would never bank on it happening

 

Thomas Jones had a bit of a resurgence with the Chiefs late in his career. Only one that remotely comes to mind.

[IGotWorms 3,311]

 

Thomas Jones had a bit of a resurgence with the Chiefs late in his career. Only one that remotely comes to mind.

That sounded right to me but I looked up his stats: he went to the Chiefs in 2010, averaged 3.7 ypc, and only got 900 yards on 245 carries. 2011 was the last year of his career

[wizbang 10]

When the wheels come off, it's all over for an RB.

Name me an RB that ever had a late-career resurgence? That got a lot of carries, approached 30, had a substantial drop off in production, and then came back?

There's gotta be one or two in NFL History but I would never bank on it happening

Curtis Martin. Just about the #1 overall on a rebound old age year.

[IGotWorms 3,311]

Curtis Martin. Just about the #1 overall on a rebound old age year.

He did have a great year in '04 but he'd been a 1,000 yard rusher in every previous season leading up to it.

[the spanker 28]

When the wheels come off, it's all over for an RB.

 

Name me an RB that ever had a late-career resurgence? That got a lot of carries, approached 30, had a substantial drop off in production, and then came back?

 

There's gotta be one or two in NFL History but I would never bank on it happening

 

 

Define substantial drop off in production? Does that include coming back from injury in your assertion?

 

Here are last 5 weeks numbers after Sjax got healthy:

 

12 Nov 21 NO 16 63 3.9 1 3 16 5.3 0

13 Dec 1 @BUF 23 84 3.7 2 1 0 .0 0

14 Dec 8 @GB 15 71 4.7 0 1 9 9.0 0

15 Dec 15 WAS 15 38 2.5 2 4 5 1.3

16 Dec 23 @SF 16 53 3.3 1 2 -4 -2.0 0

17 Dec 29 CAR 13 41 3.2 0 5 53 10.6 0

 

In PPR that 17pts week 12, 21 pts week 13, 8 pts week 14, 20 pts week 15, 11pts week 16, and 14pts week 17.

 

 

Your also not looking at the big picture of course. Roddy was banged up a large part of the season and they also had no Julio and their line wasn't any good.

 

Things are a lot different now.

 

Yeah I'll take a chance all day for a 3-down back in a high scoring offense who gets GL carries.

 

Note the last two games are against SF and CAR. I'll take that production all year long at his 8th round price I got him at.

 

Don't look at things in isolation.

[IGotWorms 3,311]

Yes it includes getting hurt. Injuries are the inevitable result of getting worn down and the body doesn't rebound like it used to

 

I mean, you can rationalize it however you want but this is a guy who failed to reach 1,000 yards for the first time in nine seasons, and whose YPC dropped from a career 4.2 to 3.5. And you think a ten year veteran RB with 3,000 career touches is going to come back suddenly rejuvenated? It's certainly possible but seems like a long shot to me.

[H-man 12]

He's one of those guys you want to avoid no matter how late he falls past his ADP even if it's into the last round. Not worth it. There are better high-risk/high-reward picks to be had. According to ALL of the dozen or so indications of a RB in drastic decline, SJax meets all of these criteria. You want a guy with at least a 1% chance of shocking the world, and 2014 SJax will never be that guy.

[the spanker 28]

Yes it includes getting hurt. Injuries are the inevitable result of getting worn down and the body doesn't rebound like it used to

 

 

It's called FOOTBALL. Do I have to go thru a list of players last year who didn't finish the season or were banged up who were younger than 30 years of age and didn't met production expectations?

 

Don't make me do it OK?

 

Yes he's an older back but his injury risk is put into his ADP. I'm willing to risk it to load up on other positions.

 

How many 1st and 2nd round RBs busted last year? Geez man open your mind up a little.

[tanatastic 2,061]

Not gonna say Jax is a great pick or reliable but he's still the starter. Saying things like "he has no upside" is great for sounding like a draft guru, but if he goes out there and scores 2 tds, who cares about upside? What if he runs for 80yds and a TD gm 1, then follows with 2tds and 120 all purpose in wk2? There's gotta be some point where everyone stops and says dang I shoulda picked him, instead I have freeman who gets 5 carries a game. Just sayin, if he were on my team I'd at least flex him week 1 or until he gets dinged up. That's good value for a late round pick.

[H-man 12]

 

 

It's called FOOTBALL. Do I have to go thru a list of players last year who didn't finish the season or were banged up who were younger than 30 years of age and didn't met production expectations?

 

Don't make me do it OK?

 

Yes he's an older back but his injury risk is put into his ADP. I'm willing to risk it to load up on other positions.

 

How many 1st and 2nd round RBs busted last year? Geez man open your mind up a little.

The "players last year who didn't finish the season or were banged up who were younger than 30 years of age"... will heal and return in 2014 healthy, all because of the fact that they are younger than 30 years of age, that's what young people do and older people don't. Jackson is 31, so he won't recover nearly as well as a young AP coming off an ACL to have an MVP season. Jackson has racked up a beating over time, and the Falcons' management shares this view as they have Devonta Freeman waiting in the wings. It's not his injury risk as much as the fact that he is already starting the season as a shell. All of the younger yet-to-be-proven backs are surrounded by uncertainty, as in, we're not certain they won't emerge as a star by the end of the year. At this point, we are certain of who Steven Jackson is and he is now a limited player in the twilight of his career. In fantasy you want to go limitless. Pick up a Carlos Hyde type instead, or if you want early season production go with even Trent Richardson or Ben Tate instead.

[IGotWorms 3,311]

 

 

It's called FOOTBALL. Do I have to go thru a list of players last year who didn't finish the season or were banged up who were younger than 30 years of age and didn't met production expectations?

 

Don't make me do it OK?

 

Yes he's an older back but his injury risk is put into his ADP. I'm willing to risk it to load up on other positions.

 

How many 1st and 2nd round RBs busted last year? Geez man open your mind up a little.

The point is the younger guys may rebound. Older RBs typically do not

[MTSkiBum 1,594]

Sjax was a beast. His beat year rivals Terrel davis's best year and sjax did that on a terrible offense. Sjax has been as consistent as they come always seeming to put up 1200 years with a decent amount of catches and td's.

 

But, stick a fork in him because he is done.

[tanatastic 2,061]

Just wanted to add in here...remember that year when Curtis Martin led the league in rushing with 1697 yds? He was 31 at least and had 8 seasons of 300 carries under his belt. The other 2 sub 300 he had over 260, the dude was a beast. Jus sayin.

 

Good lord, writing that made me realize how good Curtis was. Go look up his yearly stats. 12yrs, only 1 sub 1000yd season, wich was his final breakdown year after the league leading year.

[Bobbyn2022 53]

I couldn't believe he went undrafted in my 21

Man roster league. We start 3Rbs and still he wasn't drafted. I picked him up and he's actually my RB5.

[H-man 12]

That league-leading rushing year from Curtis came on the heels of a fully healthy 16-game 1,308 rushing yard campaign.

[jls8421 3]

SJax as my RB4. If he comes out strong in the first few weeks, I can try to flip him in a package for upgrades elsewhere.

 

This and for those of us that drafted Ray Rice as our number 2/3 RB. He'll be a great filler until he comes back.

 

Which is exactly what I did in my auction as I went WR heavy when it cam to spending.