titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745 Posted May 19, 2018 Oh, for the record, I vote in favor of allowing the Walt Disney Corp. pick. Walt himself has been dead for decades, and the company continues to hit all time highs. But it only counts Disney. Not subsidiaries. Thats my vote. As to the hockey thing, I vote let em all in, if they played in the NHL. mainly because I know Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZeroTolerance 582 Posted May 19, 2018 Should the Walt Disney Company be fair game as a Media Company pick: yes Should it include all other companies that have been absorbed by them over the years: no For the hockey thing, we are stuck with the rules that were first put in, if they had citizenship here then they are legal. I haven't found anything yet that says Howe had duel citizenship, but if Volty can find that, he can pick him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745 Posted May 19, 2018 I vote yes to Disney Corp. Walt has been dead for decades, the company continues to hit new highs. But does not include subs. As to hockey, I vote any NHL player is ok. Mainly because I know nothing about hockey and have no idea where they are from. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 4,491 Posted May 19, 2018 President 1.2 RHR George Washington - Wildcard 1.3 shotsup Abraham Lincoln - President 1.4 TBBOM Thomas Jefferson - President 2.3 ZeroT Franklin D Roosevelt - President 12.5 TBBOM Andrew Jackson - President Congressman 4.8 Volty Henry Clay Sr. - Congressman 15.6 ZeroT John C. Calhoun - Congressman/Senator SCOTUS Justice 4.7 RHR John Marshall, SCOTUS 9.8 5Points Oliver Wendell Holmes - SCOTUS Justice 11.7 vudu John Jay - SCOTUS 12.3 ZeroT Earl Warren - SCOTUS Cabinet/Gvt Adviser/Gvt Administrator 3.6 ZeroT Alexander Hamilton - Cabinet 9.7 vudu William Bradford Govt administrator General/Admiral 2.2 vudu Dwight D Eisenhower - General 2.6 shotsup George Patton - General 4.5 TBBOM Chester Nimitz - Admiral 5.2 RHR Ulysses S. Grant - General 12.4 90sbaby TJ "Stonewall" Jackson - General 12.6 shotsup Robert E Lee - General 13.6 ZeroT George Marshall - General Band/Singer 6.3 ZeroT Elvis Presley - Singer 6.6 shotsup Michael Jackson. 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5-Points 2,695 Posted May 19, 2018 this next pick is well, not a case that changed any laws, nothing special at all, but was the most watched and talked about court case of all-time 16.07 People vs OJ Simpson - Court Case Was on my list. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 4,491 Posted May 19, 2018 Should the Walt Disney Company be fair game as a Media Company pick: yes Should it include all other companies that have been absorbed by them over the years: no For the hockey thing, we are stuck with the rules that were first put in, if they had citizenship here then they are legal. I haven't found anything yet that says Howe had duel citizenship, but if Volty can find that, he can pick him. Howe doesn't. I'm not saying I want him since I don't think he should qualify. Of course opening it up to al lNHL players makes things easier. I'll admit, Gretzky's secret US citizenship has me spooked as you can go through every Canadian in search of Gretzky-type loophole. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 3,518 Posted May 19, 2018 I said before I don't even know hockey and I want to just pick 3 guys and don't want to go thru the trouble. Its an American based sport, and I think a Canadian who plays for the Kings his whole career should count like an American who plays for the Blue Jays his whole career As far as Disney I guess it doesn't matter, but it all comes back to the guy who started Disney, and thats the guy I took that started an empire Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 4,491 Posted May 19, 2018 I said before I don't even know hockey and I want to just pick 3 guys and don't want to go thru the trouble. Its an American based sport, and I think a Canadian who plays for the Kings his whole career should count like an American who plays for the Blue Jays his whole career As far as Disney I guess it doesn't matter, but it all comes back to the guy who started Disney, and thats the guy I took that started an empire Half his career in LA- the less succesful half. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shotsup 830 Posted May 19, 2018 Half his career in LA- the less succesful half. Yeah and Fvck him. He was on the Rag$hits. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 3,518 Posted May 19, 2018 I wasn't talking about Gretsky in particular, just stating an opinion using the Kings which happen to be the team closest to me I guess Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZeroTolerance 582 Posted May 19, 2018 Meh, lets just get this thing moving again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 3,518 Posted May 19, 2018 I guess me, Volty is taking a canadian hockey player so I will go with 17.02 Harriet Tubman - Engineer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZeroTolerance 582 Posted May 19, 2018 She was at the top of my list but...engineer? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 3,518 Posted May 19, 2018 She was at the top of my list but...engineer? I said I was going to get a couple comments what is Harriet Tubman famous for....the Underground Railroad...so as the leader of the railroad, that makes her an Engineer obviously I was just trying to be humorous Reformer/Blacky/Woman, not sure which I will use her in Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shotsup 830 Posted May 19, 2018 17.03 Pocahontas - Native American Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shotsup 830 Posted May 19, 2018 7.7 John Smith Explorer Born and died in England. Jamestown in between. American?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZeroTolerance 582 Posted May 19, 2018 Born and died in England. Jamestown in between. American?? Think he is a fair pick for the Colonial Era category, whether anyone is going to be picky enough for it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shotsup 830 Posted May 19, 2018 Think he is a fair pick for the Colonial Era category, whether anyone is going to be picky enough for it. Then Colonial period is free for all ? I only say it because I specifically didn't take him for that reason. Especially that he didn't die here in America!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZeroTolerance 582 Posted May 19, 2018 Then Colonial period is free for all ? I only say it because I specifically didn't take him for that reason. Especially that he didn't die here in America!!! I think if you were the Governor of Virginia colony, you qualify for Colonial Era. Things that seem like they shouldn't count to me are explorers who visited North America but didn't actually do anything else related to the colonies and the development of what became the US (Columbus, Hudson, etc). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 4,491 Posted May 19, 2018 I guess me, Volty is taking a canadian hockey player I didn't say that. I've said a few times that I'd preferred Chris Chelios (and thought all along Chelios was the #1 American player until I learned that Gretzky had acquired duel citizenship). Anyway, although some people had wanted to open up hockey to include Canadians, I am not/was never one of them. It still seems as if that is unresolved as of yet. (2-2) It's only if that argument wins and Canadian NHL players are allowed that I would want Gordie Howe over Chelios. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 3,518 Posted May 19, 2018 I didn't say that. I've said a few times that I'd prefered Chris Chelios (and thought all along Chelios was the #1 American player until I learned that Gretzky had duel citizenship. Anyway, some people had wanted to open up hockey to include Canadians, I am not one of them. It's only if that argument wins to I want Howe. oh well then take whichever one you want, doesn't seem like anyone really cares, everyone seems to care about how slow things are moving. I say make a pick and move on, and if someone challenges it we can discuss later Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 4,491 Posted May 19, 2018 oh well then take whichever one you want, doesn't seem like anyone really cares, everyone seems to care about how slow things are moving. I say make a pick and move on, and if someone challenges it we can discuss later I think we can move on tenatively if nobody wants a hockey player and resolve as we go. I wanted and intended Chelios all along as #1 in hockey (pre-Gretzky eligibility), but I can't take him then have somebody come behind and pick Howe and everybody agree that Howe is an acceptable selection, as I also agree that Howe is the more desirable hockey player. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 3,518 Posted May 19, 2018 so Howe is your pick next, any issues? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 4,491 Posted May 19, 2018 so Howe is your pick next, any issues? No. You're the one that wants Howe eligible not me. He was clearly ineligalbe before. The only reason he is even on the table because you wanted to carve out an exemption for Canadians in the NHL category. You're the one that opened the discussion, not me. I was only courteous enough to allow it to open. Now you're trying to ram it through/ The pick is hopefully Chelios. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 3,518 Posted May 19, 2018 No. You're the one that wants Howe eligible not me. He was clearly ineligalbe before but is only even on the table because you wanted to carve out an exemption for Canadians in the NHL category. The pick is hopefully Chelios. I said I dont care either way, quite frankly the NHL is nothing to me anyways, and I would just google 100 top hockey players ever and give me any 3 you organized it make a ruling either way, I honestly don't think anyone cares either way Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 4,491 Posted May 19, 2018 I said I dont care either way, quite frankly the NHL is nothing to me anyways, and I would just google 100 top hockey players ever and give me any 3 you organized it make a ruling either way, I honestly don't think anyone cares either way So then only Americans are eligable and the pick is 17.1 Chris Chelios - Hockey Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 5,062 Posted May 19, 2018 I cannot believe how much of this thread has been dedicated to a sport which is completely irrelevant in this country outside of a handful of cities. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shotsup 830 Posted May 19, 2018 I cannot believe how much of this thread has been dedicated to a sport which is completely irrelevant in this country outside of a handful of cities. Shut up coyote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZeroTolerance 582 Posted May 20, 2018 Paging TBBOM, 90s. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745 Posted May 20, 2018 17.04 - Robert Peary - Explorer Rear Admiral Robert Edwin Peary Sr. (/ˈpɪəri/; May 6, 1856 February 20, 1920) was an American explorer and United States Navy officer who made several expeditions to the Arctic in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. He is best known for claiming to have reached the geographic North Pole with his expedition on April 6, 1909. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shotsup 830 Posted May 20, 2018 Think he is a fair pick for the Colonial Era category, whether anyone is going to be picky enough for it. So we are going to roll like this ? Just asking. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZeroTolerance 582 Posted May 20, 2018 So we are going to roll like this ? Just asking. Haven't heard anything from anyone else, and my word isn't law. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shotsup 830 Posted May 20, 2018 Haven't heard anything from anyone else, and my word isn't law. Weekend of this. Hockey players and a couple picks. :zzzz: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZeroTolerance 582 Posted May 20, 2018 Weekend of this. Hockey players and a couple picks. :zzzz: I might get to make a pick this weekend. So excited. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iam90sbaby 2,076 Posted May 20, 2018 17.5 - George Washington Carver - African American https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQi-nTcS_Ns 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZeroTolerance 582 Posted May 20, 2018 17.6 - Samuel Adams, Colonial Era Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shotsup 830 Posted May 20, 2018 17.6 - Samuel Adams, Colonial Era Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZeroTolerance 582 Posted May 20, 2018 Vudu and 5 Points on the clock. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
5-Points 2,695 Posted May 20, 2018 Ready to go. Anybody seen vudu? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites