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It seems to me that once you are a conservative then you are a conservative, however the opposite is never true

 

I haven't met any "former" conservatives who became liberals, however it seems more and more liberals become conservative as the agenda goes further left and they age

 

57% of Millenials 18-35 are democrats, 36% are republicans, however 35+ the numbers always seem to get pretty close to even

 

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My best friend was hardcore conservative in his 20s to the point of once actually coming to blows with someone over a heated political debate. Now he is hardcore liberal. So with your post using the word "never", I can safely deem it 100% incorrect.

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It seems to me that once you are a conservative then you are a conservative, however the opposite is never true

 

I haven't met any "former" conservatives who became liberals, however it seems more and more liberals become conservative as the agenda goes further left and they age

Because it would be dumb to go back to being a liberal...

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My best friend was hardcore conservative in his 20s to the point of once actually coming to blows with someone over a heated political debate. Now he is hardcore liberal. So with your post using the word "never", I can safely deem it 100% incorrect.

 

yah there are always going to be outliers, I guess never isn't the right word, lets just say the majority

 

ancient text here incoming

 

Not to be a républicain at twenty is proof of want of heart; to be one at thirty is proof of want of head.

If you’re not a socialist before you’re twenty-five, you have no heart; if you are a socialist after twenty-five, you have no head.

If you aren’t a liberal when you’re young, you have no heart, but if you aren’t a middle-aged conservative, you have no head.

 

basically sums it up

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Because it would be dumb to go back to being a liberal...

 

wasn't really talking about going back, I have been a conservative my entire life for example, I will never be a liberal

 

plenty of liberals become conservatives when they enter the real world

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My best friend was hardcore conservative in his 20s to the point of once actually coming to blows with someone over a heated political debate. Now he is hardcore liberal. So with your post using the word "never", I can safely deem it 100% incorrect.

Seen it both ways, but seen more at least lean conservative once they start making money. I'll bet most libs here aren't nearly as left leaning as they were 15 years ago.

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My best friend was hardcore conservative in his 20s to the point of once actually coming to blows with someone over a heated political debate. Now he is hardcore liberal. So with your post using the word "never", I can safely deem it 100% incorrect.

sure he was, ht jr

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That phrase about not being Liberal at 18 means you have no heart.....and not being conservative at 38 means you have no brain comes to mind.

 

I posted that, I was trying to find the origins of it

 

Not to be a républicain at twenty is proof of want of heart; to be one at thirty is proof of want of head.

If you’re not a socialist before you’re twenty-five, you have no heart; if you are a socialist after twenty-five, you have no head.

If you aren’t a liberal when you’re young, you have no heart, but if you aren’t a middle-aged conservative, you have no head.

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I posted that, I was trying to find the origins of it

 

Not to be a républicain at twenty is proof of want of heart; to be one at thirty is proof of want of head.

If you’re not a socialist before you’re twenty-five, you have no heart; if you are a socialist after twenty-five, you have no head.

If you aren’t a liberal when you’re young, you have no heart, but if you aren’t a middle-aged conservative, you have no head.

 

Totally missed it. :thumbsup:

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I would disagree with a blanket statement like that.

i think you'd be well served to bifurcate that on education levels.

Yeah, BillyBob and his entire Trailer park grew up Hard Right and they ain't gonna change.

Like we see herein; It's a much easier concept to wrap one's brain and morality around: Black Hat - White Hat.

 

But, as some people's worldview expands and they actually become able to grasp such concepts as 'nuance'',

then black white doesn't quite fit anymore.

That's one of the praises and criticisms of Bush Jr. - His worldview was very simple - because he was intellectually 'uncurious.' (which is what polite people call 'stupid'.)

Think we're hearing that these days too.

And look where THAT got us.

 

But bigger than all this is - What's the definition of "Conservative"? Hell, it's in focking tatters right now.

 

Look at the nitwits on this bored who literally think that anybody who thinks Trump is a disaster is a 'libruhl'.

That's sure news to one hell of a lot of longtime Conservatives. - One of whom recently called Trump a "Focking Moron".

 

The one Truism I would agree with is that the overwhelming majority of the nation ends up being Fiscally/Militarily Conservative and Socially Liberal.

- What one day not that long ago was called 'compassionate conservatism".

- Otherwise known as Balance the Budget and Stay the Fock out of my Business.

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Started conservative, switched parties after realizing I hated Republican politicians. The people are okay, the politicians are horrid. Was Democrat for a couple decades, and realized I hate Democrats... not the politicians, the people.

 

Been voting Libertarian for the last decade, and happier.

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I've become an independent as I've realized there is no conservative vs liberal party: there is one hard right pro corporatist, pro war, anti consumer and anti labor party. All you're bickering about are the minor differences between these two parties. The only thing different about Trump

Is that he's a blithering idiot.

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Would tend to agree with MDC for the most part.

 

Something I learned from a really smart Harvard (visiting) Professor 30 years ago - and you can look it up:

 

GoldMan Sachs has been in every single WH since the modern era.

 

Look at Mr. Drain the Swamp -

Biitched constantly about Hillary being in bed with the NY Bankers.

Then, brought in Goldman in Droves.

HIs excuse for his hypocrisy? "Hey - We have to hire the people who know how it works!"

 

GoldMan's been running this country for a long focking time.

And not just Fed Policy, but Foreign Policy and Domestic as well.

 

Bernie was as close as you were going to get at a shallower swamp.

And that will never focking happen as long as the MIC runs this pop stand.

 

They're actually enjoying watching us idiots throwing poop at each other.

As if it matters what chimp gets the highest branch.

THEY control all the bananas.

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Liberals are anti capitalism because the realize they cannot compete on an even scale. I think conservatives that get eaten up by capitalism become liberals so they can get a piece of someone else’s pie or pass laws that tilt the scale in their favor. I find it amazing how liberals feel they have a right to what others have worked so hard for.

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This premise is why Dems just give lip service to the empoverished, and not actual help. If you actually help them, and not simply enable them, they wise up and Dems lose voters. Its modern day slavery.

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Liberals are anti capitalism because the realize they cannot compete on an even scale. I think conservatives that get eaten up by capitalism become liberals so they can get a piece of someone else’s pie or pass laws that tilt the scale in their favor. I find it amazing how liberals feel they have a right to what others have worked so hard for.

Two words - Corporate Welfare.

 

I used to apply for, bring in and cash checks straight from the Treasury for tens and hundreds of millions of dollars to support an industry that couldn't stand on its own. If fact, I could point you from memory the exactly publication that explains how easy it is done. I'll guaran-focking-tee you, it's a shiitload less paperwork and conditions and pre-conditions and limitations than a $42/week WIC subsidy for a mom making minimum wage.

 

Not sure what your definition of 'capitalism' is, but in my world? You'd let the shiit industry fail and let new technology take its place. Been working pretty well for the last 200 years or so.

 

That's the sad, ignorant irony of today's mouth-breathing Foxers; They biitch about the millions given to the working poor, but are completely clueless as to the billions given to the rich through either massive loopholes or in this case, staright focking cash subsidies.

 

Made me sick, but hey, Focking Texaco, Chevron, BP - you name it - were doing the same damn thing.

 

There's a reason why Warren Buffet is pissed that he has a much lower effective tax rate than his secretary.

- Wanna argue that he's a whiny libruhl socialist loving, capitalism & Murca hating lefty?

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Once a teen gets their first paycheck and says "hey wait, I made $100, why is there only $55 here?#@!"... the path to conservatism has begun. :thumbsup:

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Once a teen gets their first paycheck and says "hey wait, I made $100, why is there only $55 here?#@!"... the path to conservatism has begun. :thumbsup:

I'd give my kids $20 and take them shopping. Then when they'd pick out $20 worth of stuff, I'd make them put something back to make sure they could pay the taxes on it. 'Where does the tax go?' they asked. 'The govt gives it to someone else'.

 

They were conservative long before hitting job market.

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OP is true from my experience. When I was in school I was surrounded by liberals. I myself even had many more liberal beliefs. Some of my posts here from a few years ago make me cringe. Anyways, time went on, we all have careers now and most lean right now.

 

To me it is such a childish thing to be liberal these days. Yeah when a 19 year old kid goes and protests something half the time he doesnt even know what he is doing. Thats cute kid, keep it up. But a full grown adult like some of the people around here and the things they get shaken up about... its crazy. A lot of estrogen in those bodies.

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I think most rational people tend to become more moderate as they age. Experience teaches you that things are pretty much always in shades of gray rather than black and white - and thus neither side is completely right or completely wrong.

 

Then when you get real old and start to lose it you might end up back at an extreme end. Of course there's plenty of people that never get it and sound like insane nutbags on the hard right or hard left :(

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My views on fiscal, trade, and economic issues have gotten more conservative, my views on the environmental issues have gotten more moderate, and my views on social issues have gotten more liberal over the last 5-10 years.

My views also have gotten less strong. I realize that many of my opinions are probably incorrect and not best for the country and i will revise them later.

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I think most rational people tend to become more moderate as they age. Experience teaches you that things are pretty much always in shades of gray rather than black and white - and thus neither side is completely right or completely wrong.

 

Then when you get real old and start to lose it you might end up back at an extreme end. Of course there's plenty of people that never get it and sound like insane nutbags on the hard right or hard left :(

On some issues I've become moderate while others I've grown more conservative.

 

Welfare is necessary as well as moderate taxes. There I've grown more moderate.

 

Rapists I used to think deserved prison; now I know they should be killed.

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As we age, it is human nature to be more concerned with self interest, and fearful of change. Conservatism aligns with these tendencies. Meanwhile, liberalism is overly idealistic, as gaming the system is way too easy.

 

Count me with MDC et al. as thinking both sides are hopelessly corrupt, and more similar than different. There is no political ideology that perfectly encompasses my values, and I refuse to vote for the lesser of two evils or an independent with no meaningful hope of victory.

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On some issues I've become moderate while others I've grown more conservative.

 

Welfare is necessary as well as moderate taxes. There I've grown more moderate.

 

Rapists I used to think deserved prison; now I know they should be killed.

I've come to appreciate and believe valid the conservative viewpoint on many things. I am still an economic and social liberal but have become less liberal economically. I mean I was still a Bernie Sanders guy but I could appreciate that there are legitimate concerns with that viewpoint and the policies he espoused

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I'd give my kids $20 and take them shopping. Then when they'd pick out $20 worth of stuff, I'd make them put something back to make sure they could pay the taxes on it. 'Where does the tax go?' they asked. 'The govt gives it to someone else'.

 

They were conservative long before hitting job market.

Cool story bro

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I'd give my kids $20 and take them shopping. Then when they'd pick out $20 worth of stuff, I'd make them put something back to make sure they could pay the taxes on it. 'Where does the tax go?' they asked. 'The govt gives it to someone else'.

 

They were conservative long before hitting job market.

Yeah that's pretty dooshy. You're overdoing it.

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I'm much more liberal today than I was 10 years ago. The argument that people become conservative once they start making money didn't quite hit home with me. I used to get all worked up that Dems want to punish people for being rich.

 

Then I went to the corporate world and watched my CEO get huge pay raises and other massive benefits while the rest of the company had their health benefits reduced annually and merit increases postponed, or reduced to almost nothing. My company wasn't unique in this respect. It's the norm, and the Republicans answer is more tax breaks for the rich.

 

Nope, I'm all set.

 

On social issues, I'm in the middle, but I'm definitely more liberal than I was 10 years ago.

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My best friend was hardcore conservative in his 20s to the point of once actually coming to blows with someone over a heated political debate. Now he is hardcore liberal. So with your post using the word "never", I can safely deem it 100% incorrect.

A traumatic brain injury can cause this.

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I think most rational people tend to become more moderate as they age. Experience teaches you that things are pretty much always in shades of gray rather than black and white - and thus neither side is completely right or completely wrong.

 

Then when you get real old and start to lose it you might end up back at an extreme end. Of course there's plenty of people that never get it and sound like insane nutbags on the hard right or hard left :(

It's what happened to me. I was a hard right conservative in high school now I'm pretty much middle of the road. These issues over here the Dems make more sense on, these ones the GOP does. It tends to wind up I figure out who's been annoying me the most lately and then vote for the other side. That's not a firm rule.

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I used to be a hard core ayn rand quoting conservative. Was never conservative in the social setting though.

 

I really have come to the idea that neither ideology holds much water.

 

America is a prime example of the failure of conservative economics ideas. The rich and corporate interests get bigger and richer and more powerful and everyone else slowly gets left behind.

 

On the other hand, the conservatives do have one argument I cannot refute... government cannot do anything right. Nothing. They have been a failure at everything they have ever tried. Post office. Trains. Veterans health care. You name it.

 

I think the best approach is that government doesnt try to DO anything, by which I mean run a program or a sector of economy. But they do regulate business on behalf of the greater interests of society (environment, safety, equality, etc.)

 

Unfortunately, we dont have that approach in American politics.

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America is a prime example of the failure of conservative economics ideas. The rich and corporate interests get bigger and richer and more powerful and everyone else slowly gets left behind.

 

So, let's discuss this, as I've been sick and tired of hearing about "income disparity." Yeah, we have it here. But as JFK said, a rising tide lifts all boats. So the rich get richerer, and the poor just get richer, but that sucks apparently because the poor get less richer than the rich. Like, the poor can't afford the bigger iPhone 8, only the slightly smaller one. The horror! First world problems. Heck, zeroth world problems.

 

You live in China, do you honestly think it is better?

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What I find interesting in this world where in a public high school having a poster explaining 'LGBTQQIP2SAA', so you can figure out what you are, is just super normal...and when I grew up social conservatism was pariah material, the younger kids - teens now, are actually embracing the cultural edginess of being more socially conservative. I think people like Lauren Southern are a part of that, actually advocating for how society works better with intact nuclear families, and more traditional dynamics.

 

We got beyond the shitting on social conservatism point (on some fronts), and having gone all out in embracing what used to be edgy..lefitst progressivism, the down-to-earth, home and hearth type of wisdom stuff, is actually becoming the kind of cool counter-culture thing.

 

No idea the longevity of it but it's definitely interesting to see.

 

It's also another big manifestation of polarization, because there are certainly still many, many young people all about the mentality of what motivates the aforementioned poster, and how more of that stuff needs to be pummeled into all of our collective consciences.

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I would disagree with a blanket statement like that.

i think you'd be well served to bifurcate that on education levels.

Oh yes. Let's 'bifurcate'. Like, for instance, the fact that the Rush Limbaugh audience is the most well-informed and well educated, both then:

 

http://trainweb.com/steve/rushpost.htm

 

...and - according to Pew Research - now:

 

https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2006/07/31/rush_limbaugh_audience_among_most_knowledgeable_and_educated_in_all_of_american_media2/

 

'Bifurcate' that.

 

Yeah, BillyBob and his entire Trailer park grew up Hard Right and they ain't gonna change.

Oh? ThinkProgress thinks it's the other way around:

 

https://thinkprogress.org/appalachia-used-to-be-a-democratic-stronghold-heres-how-to-make-it-one-again-300952ae296d/

 

Like we see herein; It's a much easier concept to wrap one's brain and morality around: Black Hat - White Hat.

I'm seeing 'empty hat'.

 

But, as some people's worldview expands and they actually become able to grasp such concepts as 'nuance'',

then black white doesn't quite fit anymore.

...he says, while 'black/white' generalizing Appalachia types...

 

That's one of the praises and criticisms of Bush Jr. - His worldview was very simple - because he was intellectually 'uncurious.' (which is what polite people call 'stupid'.)

Does that explain your uneducated view of the politics of 'trailer trash'?

 

Think we're hearing that these days too.

And look where THAT got us.

It got us a public that got sick of your ilk, and voted accordingly.

 

But bigger than all this is - What's the definition of "Conservative"? Hell, it's in focking tatters right now.

Your imagination isn't really germane to reality.

 

Look at the nitwits on this bored who literally think that anybody who thinks Trump is a disaster is a 'libruhl'.

Perhaps those who are anti-Trump could demonstrate their conservativism. I haven't seen it. At all. Has anyone?

 

That's sure news to one hell of a lot of longtime Conservatives. - One of whom recently called Trump a "Focking Moron".

I have seen plenty of pretend 'conservatives'. They never measure up.

 

The one Truism I would agree with is that the overwhelming majority of the nation ends up being Fiscally/Militarily Conservative and Socially Liberal.

- What one day not that long ago was called 'compassionate conservatism".

- Otherwise known as Balance the Budget and Stay the Fock out of my Business.

 

Whatever you say.

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When I started posting here, I was a conservative. I'm sure there are still threads.

No you weren't. You were merely rudderless. Now you have a rudder, and it's just broken.

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I used to be a hard core ayn rand quoting conservative. Was never conservative in the social setting though.

I really have come to the idea that neither ideology holds much water.

America is a prime example of the failure of conservative economics ideas. The rich and corporate interests get bigger and richer and more powerful and everyone else slowly gets left behind.

On the other hand, the conservatives do have one argument I cannot refute... government cannot do anything right. Nothing. They have been a failure at everything they have ever tried. Post office. Trains. Veterans health care. You name it.

I think the best approach is that government doesnt try to DO anything, by which I mean run a program or a sector of economy. But they do regulate business on behalf of the greater interests of society (environment, safety, equality, etc.)

Unfortunately, we dont have that approach in American politics.

How is this country a 'failure of conservative economic ideas'? We don't follow conservative economic ideas. I think you're conflating cronyism with conservativism. We can only attempt to affect the existing crony corporatism with with a more purist ideology, and it will not truly work until we 'drain the swamp'.

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Two words - Corporate Welfare.

 

I used to apply for, bring in and cash checks straight from the Treasury for tens and hundreds of millions of dollars to support an industry that couldn't stand on its own. If fact, I could point you from memory the exactly publication that explains how easy it is done. I'll guaran-focking-tee you, it's a shiitload less paperwork and conditions and pre-conditions and limitations than a $42/week WIC subsidy for a mom making minimum wage.

 

Not sure what your definition of 'capitalism' is, but in my world? You'd let the shiit industry fail and let new technology take its place. Been working pretty well for the last 200 years or so.

 

That's the sad, ignorant irony of today's mouth-breathing Foxers; They biitch about the millions given to the working poor, but are completely clueless as to the billions given to the rich through either massive loopholes or in this case, staright focking cash subsidies.

 

Made me sick, but hey, Focking Texaco, Chevron, BP - you name it - were doing the same damn thing.

 

There's a reason why Warren Buffet is pissed that he has a much lower effective tax rate than his secretary.

- Wanna argue that he's a whiny libruhl socialist loving, capitalism & Murca hating lefty?

 

I can't seem to resist your bait. :lol:

 

You left off the solar industry and Elon Musk from your rant.

 

Also, Warren Buffet? He is the very definition of whiny hypocritical liberal.

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