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#41 Ray_T

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Posted 05 January 2017 - 09:41 PM

I don't think it's that crazy for Denver to make a play for Cousins even if he is franchised, and I think it would make sense for Cousins too.

Considering what teams gave up for Goff and Wentz this year, is the franchise trade quota of 2 firsts really that much worse for getting a known commodity? Maybe Den can even barter it down a bit or include Lynch; the Vikes got KC to lower the franchise price on Jared Allen to a first and a 3rd. That's still a win/win for both teams.

 

Plus Den has all the makings to be a very good offense that can play to his strengths, they just don't have the QB to execute yet.

 

I know trades involving franchised players are becoming rarer and rarer after some teams have gotten burned, but this could be the one that makes sense.

I dont think Denver has the cap room.   someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure they have very little cap space.


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Posted 05 January 2017 - 09:54 PM

I dont think Denver has the cap room.   someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure they have very little cap space.

 

yeah I don't know the details but there's ways to work within those. They could give him for instance a $20 million signing bonus on a 5 year deal but have zero base in year one; then spread the cap hit equally over those 5 years so it's only a $4 million cap hit year one. Then his cap number increases over the next few years as some of their expensive vets fall off the books.

 

Considering the ingenious finesse job that Elway and the Broncs did with the cap over the past few years to build that defense while still having Peyton on the books, I'm confident that if anyone could pull it off, it would be them.


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Posted 06 January 2017 - 04:58 AM

WIDE RECEIVERS
Alshon Jeffery- Dallas

Terrance Williams- Dallas
 

 

 

lolno.  

 

there's an outside chance that twill stays, but only if he takes a very team-friendly deal.  DAL is going to want to spend its FA dollars on defense, so they're going to draw a very hard line and williams will be welcome to walk if he doesn't want it.  remember, this is the same team that offered the league rushing champion $6mil per year.  that's less than sanu makes.  williams isn't even going to sniff that figure.



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Posted 06 January 2017 - 09:28 AM

 
 
lolno.  
 
there's an outside chance that twill stays, but only if he takes a very team-friendly deal.  DAL is going to want to spend its FA dollars on defense, so they're going to draw a very hard line and williams will be welcome to walk if he doesn't want it.  remember, this is the same team that offered the league rushing champion $6mil per year.  that's less than sanu makes.  williams isn't even going to sniff that figure.


If Dallas offers more than the league minimum then they are wasting money on Williams. Jeffery would be a poor fit. He would be hurt half the year making WR1 money. Then Dez hurt the other half...

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Posted 06 January 2017 - 06:40 PM

If Dallas offers more than the league minimum then they are wasting money on Williams. 

 

 

silliness.  

 

the guy averages 44/700/5 as the 4th (now 5th) option in the scheme--far better than sanu, who currently makes $6.5M.  he can get deep and he's good at RAC.  i'd be absolutely fine with paying him somewhere around $3M, but he'll probably get closer to 5 on the open market.



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Posted 06 January 2017 - 07:03 PM

 
 
silliness.  
 
the guy averages 44/700/5 as the 4th (now 5th) option in the scheme--far better than sanu, who currently makes $6.5M.  he can get deep and he's good at RAC.  i'd be absolutely fine with paying him somewhere around $3M, but he'll probably get closer to 5 on the open market.


I think most any schmuck could have done the same. Up until this year he had been the true #2 receiver. He is a complete JAG. When there is a hard cap you don't pay guys $5 mill a year as a contender when you can find someone else to do just as good for a lot less. I would sign Andre Holmes in a heartbeat, or just let Bruce Butler take his place. Both are cheaper

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Posted 06 January 2017 - 08:25 PM

 

yeah I don't know the details but there's ways to work within those. They could give him for instance a $20 million signing bonus on a 5 year deal but have zero base in year one; then spread the cap hit equally over those 5 years so it's only a $4 million cap hit year one. Then his cap number increases over the next few years as some of their expensive vets fall off the books.

 

Considering the ingenious finesse job that Elway and the Broncs did with the cap over the past few years to build that defense while still having Peyton on the books, I'm confident that if anyone could pull it off, it would be them.

I dunno... I figure it takes at least 20 mil to sign him.   I honestly dont think he is truly worth the money.   and 20 mil is a LOT of salary cap space to make room for.  Even if you write a long term, team friendly deal (which they cant do if they wanna make sure Washington doesn't match)

 

I seriously don't see it happening.


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Posted 06 January 2017 - 09:07 PM

I think he's worthy of the money.

The Broncos are a good Qb away from being a playoff team.

They should try hard to pick him up IMO.

You match him up with Thomas and Sanders.

And with a Qb of his caliber I would bet the run game would be more productive also.

It's also just the move that the Broncos def needs to make this team once again a serious contender.

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Posted 07 January 2017 - 11:08 AM

I think most any schmuck could have done the same. Up until this year he had been the true #2 receiver. He is a complete JAG. When there is a hard cap you don't pay guys $5 mill a year as a contender when you can find someone else to do just as good for a lot less. I would sign Andre Holmes in a heartbeat, or just let Bruce Butler take his place. Both are cheaper

 

Williams has been completely unreliable for years, so this is the only decision that makes sense.

 

We will surely draft some late round WRs as well to compete with the Holmes/Butlers of the world.   Someone will emerge from that costing far less and with very similar production.



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Posted 07 January 2017 - 05:53 PM

i think jeffery would be a good fit with tom brady and the patriots.


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Posted 07 January 2017 - 06:28 PM

I think he would be also.

I also think the Colts.

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Posted 08 January 2017 - 02:23 PM

I don't think Belichick would put up with Jeffery practicing away from the team in the off season and not being on the field half the year because he doesn't train properly

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Posted 08 January 2017 - 02:33 PM

I think Floyd is the only free agent wr ne has
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Posted 10 January 2017 - 05:42 PM

i was kidding, guys.  the running joke over at fbg is that EVERY free agent is a good fit for the pats.


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Posted 11 January 2017 - 10:05 AM

I can name 2 options on their roster & plenty more that will be available that I'd rather have than Doug Martin. The quicker they wash their hands of him, the better for their franchise. He ran hard in 2015 for a paycheck, get out while you can Tampa!

 

You can name 2 players on their roster, but not 2 that are better options.  Sims stinks and Rodgers is a free agent.  Tampa isn't going to re-sign Rodgers to be their main ball carrier.  While I agree that Martin ran hard for the contract, he's still a decent back.  Also, if Martin is the kind of guy to "run for the contract" (which I believe by the way), then 2017 is one of those kind of years.  If he wants to see the other $21M of that contract after the 2017, he'll run for it.  That said, if they draft a RB in April in the 2nd or 3rd round, I think they flat out cut Martin and don't look back.



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Posted 11 January 2017 - 10:11 AM

 
You can name 2 players on their roster, but not 2 that are better options.  Sims stinks and Rodgers is a free agent.  Tampa isn't going to re-sign Rodgers to be their main ball carrier.  While I agree that Martin ran hard for the contract, he's still a decent back.  Also, if Martin is the kind of guy to "run for the contract" (which I believe by the way), then 2017 is one of those kind of years.  If he wants to see the other $21M of that contract after the 2017, he'll run for it.  That said, if they draft a RB in April in the 2nd or 3rd round, I think they flat out cut Martin and don't look back.

Dude turns 28 Friday, injury prone, facing suspension and only has 2 solid seasons...there's no way a smart franchise would give him a chance to get 21 million next offseason.

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Posted 11 January 2017 - 10:23 AM

 

 

lolno.  

 

there's an outside chance that twill stays, but only if he takes a very team-friendly deal.  DAL is going to want to spend its FA dollars on defense, so they're going to draw a very hard line and williams will be welcome to walk if he doesn't want it.  remember, this is the same team that offered the league rushing champion $6mil per year.  that's less than sanu makes.  williams isn't even going to sniff that figure.

 

Money won't be an issue for the Cowboys.  If they want certaom players, they'll create the space.



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Posted 11 January 2017 - 10:27 AM

Dude turns 28 Friday, injury prone, facing suspension and only has 2 solid seasons...there's no way a smart franchise would give him a chance to get 21 million next offseason.

 

That $21M is spread over the 2018, 19, and 20 seasons, not next off season.  I said that was Martin's motivation for playing hard in 2017, not the teams' reason for wanting to keep him.  The Buccaneers have a lot of needs to address on the OLine and DLine, as well as WR, that are higher priorities than RB.  If Martin is able to play, I think the Bucs bring him back for 2017.  They like him.  They'll keep him if a better option doesn't present itself.  I don't see the team using a 1st, 2nd, or 3rd, round draft pick on a RB.  That said, we already know that they are NOT a "smart franchise"... they traded a 3rd and 4th round pick to draft a mediocre kicker in the 2nd round.



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Posted 11 January 2017 - 10:31 AM

i think jeffery would be a good fit with tom brady and the patriots.

 

I don't see any reason why Bellichick would want Jeffery.



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Posted 11 January 2017 - 10:35 AM

 

I don't see any reason why Bellichick would want Jeffery.

He's never been afraid to take on a reclamation project (Chad Johnson, Randy Moss, Corey Dillon, right up to Michael Floyd). If the price is right.


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Posted 11 January 2017 - 10:45 AM

I would like to see Jeffery end up in Cincinnati opposite AJ Green. Pipe dream most likely but that offense would be tough.



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Posted 11 January 2017 - 10:46 AM

He's never been afraid to take on a reclamation project (Chad Johnson, Randy Moss, Corey Dillon, right up to Michael Floyd). If the price is right.

 

I don't think those 4 are good comparisons.  Johnson was done, Moss was still good, Dillon was still great, Floyd can't play.  Jeffery is good, but always hurt and will still want to get paid.  I just don't see the fit.  It could happen, I won't say it can't... I just don't see it.  I see him going to the higher bidder, not the better team.  I don't think the Patriots will be the higher bidder.  I can see a scenario that San Diego would be the highest bidder.



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Posted 11 January 2017 - 11:50 AM

If there a coach in the NFL that would take on the Jeffery challenge it's good ol Bellichick.

He picked up mr Floyd right after he was released from the Cardinals right after he had a dui.

He likes to show others he's simply better.

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Posted 11 January 2017 - 12:15 PM

If there a coach in the NFL that would take on the Jeffery challenge it's good ol Bellichick.

He picked up mr Floyd right after he was released from the Cardinals right after he had a dui.

He likes to show others he's simply better.

 

yeah but that was for a flyer for under a million dollars pro-rated for the rest of the season. plus they'd still get a compensatory pick for him if it doesn't work out and they don't re-sign him this offseason. very little risk.

hardly comparable to Jeffrey, who'd they have to guarantee a lot of money and years to in order to lure him to NE.


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Posted 11 January 2017 - 12:16 PM

 

yeah but that was for a flyer for under a million dollars pro-rated for the rest of the season. plus they'd still get a compensatory pick for him if it doesn't work out and they don't re-sign him this offseason.

hardly comparable to Jeffrey, who'd they have to guarantee a lot of money and years to in order to lure him to NE.

 

Exactly.



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Posted 11 January 2017 - 12:50 PM

 

I don't think those 4 are good comparisons.  Johnson was done, Moss was still good, Dillon was still great, Floyd can't play.  Jeffery is good, but always hurt and will still want to get paid.  I just don't see the fit.  It could happen, I won't say it can't... I just don't see it.  I see him going to the higher bidder, not the better team.  I don't think the Patriots will be the higher bidder.  I can see a scenario that San Diego would be the highest bidder.

I don't think he'll end up in NE either. But that's a BIG difference from "I don't see any reason why Bellichick would want Jeffery."


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Posted 11 January 2017 - 01:41 PM

I don't think he'll end up in NE either. But that's a BIG difference from "I don't see any reason why Bellichick would want Jeffery."

How's this then... I don't see any reason why Bellichick would want Jeffery at what I believe will be Jeffery's asking price.



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Posted 11 January 2017 - 02:47 PM

I don't disagree.

I don't see the Pats going after him either , but I'm sure that Bill would take on the challenge.

I think he could end up with the Rams.