Not much talk about Trumpcare

[NewbieJr 540]

So what do you righties think of this healthcare bill? 21 million will lose coverage and over 700 billion taken from Medicare. Oh, and while the less fortunate will feel the brunt of the changes, the rich get a nice juicy tax cut.

 

In my opinion, this vote will do more to affect future elections than anything else Trump/Republicans will do. If this passes and turns out to be a disaster, it'll be a bloodbath when these guys have to face their constituents. Not sure what the big hurry is to get this passed before they get it right. But in my opinion, the best thing that could happen to the right is for this to fail or McConnell simply pulls it and doesn't put it up for vote.

[Sho Nuff 719]

They don't care. It takes away something from Obama and makes liberals mad.

No matter that the majority out there favor fixing Ibamacare be repeal and replace with this type of garbage.

Trump managed to make the ACA more popular than ever.

[NewbieJr 540]

They don't care. It takes away something from Obama and makes liberals mad.

No matter that the majority out there favor fixing Ibamacare be repeal and replace with this type of garbage.

Trump managed to make the ACA more popular than ever.

There's an evil side of me that wants to see this new bill pass. Certain demise for the party. Everyone knows that a successful system like this is funded by the young and healthy. Without the mandate, those people won't bother signing up. This is going to be a disaster. And Republicans get what they deserve.

[cyclone24 1,811]

I was going to respond but actually i just kind of want to watch you two stroke each other up into a lather. Carry on

[Hardcore troubadour 12,618]

I hope the bill doesn't pass.

[12th Man 884]

Cool. Moving from Russia to healthcare. Just turn on CNN; I'm sure you'll get accurate reporting.

[NewbieJr 540]

Cool. Moving from Russia to healthcare. Just turn on CNN; I'm sure you'll get accurate reporting.

Another post by Flahawker where he doesn't address the thread topic. I think that's 300 in a row.

[12th Man 884]

It's so cute when Newbie pretends he wants to seriously discuss anything related to Trump. Ohh I got the shivers....

[Hardcore troubadour 12,618]

It's so cute when Newbie pretends he wants to seriously discuss anything related to Trump. Ohh I got the shivers....

No doubt. He's acting like he's actually watched or read anything about the HC bill. Couldn't tell you the first thing about it. He doesn't even know how Obamacare works and he's probably on it. Lol.

[12th Man 884]

No doubt. He's acting like he's actually watched or read anything about the HC bill. Couldn't tell you the first thing about it. He doesn't even know how Obamacare works and he's probably on it. Lol.

He's the biggest troll here yet he's complaining about trolling. You can't make this up...

[NewbieJr 540]

It's so cute when Newbie pretends he wants to seriously discuss anything related to Trump. Ohh I got the shivers....

I never expected serious discussion from you. You have never seriously discussed a single topic here. I was simply mocking you. Like I always do. You should be happy I didn't bring up your uncle.

[NewbieJr 540]

No doubt. He's acting like he's actually watched or read anything about the HC bill. Couldn't tell you the first thing about it. He doesn't even know how Obamacare works and he's probably on it. Lol.

I know enough about it that I fully understand why you don't want it to pass.

[crackattack 513]

My honest opinions on healthcare are kinda split. First and foremost, healthcare is a privilege not a right. Second, there should be no mandate.

 

Now, the liberal part of me says if healthcare costs are going to continue to rise, premiums rise, middle class getting hammered by taxes, young/healthy people refusing to purchase until needed, government just throwing money at it. If this trend continues, just go to single payer and get it over with.

[edjr 5,552]

#TrumpMath

 

https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/879411199934443520?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.yahoo.com%2Fnews%2Ftrump-promotes-faulty-white-house-math-health-care-132342463.html

[DankNuggs 305]

I don't know much about the bill... The only thing being talked about is some stat that for every million people who lose coverage 1-2k people die.... So they trot these stats out as facts and accuse repubs of killing people...

 

 

So if 100% of americans had insurance, does that mean no one would die? It really doesn't make alot of sense to me.

 

 

I presume the news or anyone else with the death counts hasn't read it either, because its lazy reporting

[lickin_starfish 1,479]

I don't see the need to rush the health care issue. Why can't we take our time and come up with something good?I realize that Obamacare is collapsing upon it's own weight, but why come up with a Republican solution that will also fail?

 

The heart of the problem, in my opinion, is the outrageous cost of healthcare. $200 to have a band-aid put on a boo-boo in the ER? $1000 to stay in a hospital bed overnight? C'mon man! That's the shite that is making insurance cost so much.

[Djgb13 2,338]

Do all you guys do is b1tch? Jesus I swear you're like a focking woman. Change your tampon already and go live your life

[DankNuggs 305]

#TrumpMath

 

https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/879411199934443520?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.yahoo.com%2Fnews%2Ftrump-promotes-faulty-white-house-math-health-care-132342463.html

Once again i don't know the details, but given my general knowledge i'm guessing the bill will allow more flexibility in coverage and plans...

 

 

So as an analogy to Obamacare, you used to only be able to buy a ferrari under the old system... Then they changed the system so you can buy lots of different kinds of cars that may suit you in different ways. Maybe the ferrari is going to be even more expensive now, but people can buy a camry that will get the job done for them...

[DankNuggs 305]

I don't see the need to rush the health care issue. Why can't we take our time and come up with something good?I realize that Obamacare is collapsing upon it's own weight, but why come up with a Republican solution that will also fail?

 

The heart of the problem, in my opinion, is the outrageous cost of healthcare. $200 to have a band-aid put on a boo-boo in the ER? $1000 to stay in a hospital bed overnight? C'mon man! That's the shite that is making insurance cost so much.

He wants to do healthcare first so he can sell his tax cuts. Wants the narrative to be about getting control of costs so he can get control of the onerous tax system...

 

As of now we have out of control budgets, harder to sell a tax cut that will pay for itself

[NewbieJr 540]

I don't see the need to rush the health care issue. Why can't we take our time and come up with something good?I realize that Obamacare is collapsing upon it's own weight, but why come up with a Republican solution that will also fail?

 

The heart of the problem, in my opinion, is the outrageous cost of healthcare. $200 to have a band-aid put on a boo-boo in the ER? $1000 to stay in a hospital bed overnight? C'mon man! That's the shite that is making insurance cost so much.

You are 100% correct. Hospitals/pharmaceutical companies are the reason for all of these problems. But no one has the balls to do anything about it.

[NewbieJr 540]

Do all you guys do is b1tch? Jesus I swear you're like a focking woman. Change your tampon already and go live your life

Quality thread contribution.

[Djgb13 2,338]

Quality thread contribution.

Weren't you suppose to be somewhere on vacation this week or last week? You have NOT stopped posting to indicate so. We can only assume you lied (again) about going somewhere

[DankNuggs 305]

You are 100% correct. Hospitals/pharmaceutical companies are the reason for all of these problems. But no one has the balls to do anything about it.

Whats the solution for big pharma? It costs billions of $ to research new drugs. You could have the government take over the whole industry to control the cost, then the politicians would be on the hook for how much to fund and what to fund. As of now you can blame the private industry that favors revenue production over researching drugs for rarer diseases.

 

Those are real life and death decisions on what types of medications and treatments to pursue

[crackattack 513]

You are 100% correct. Hospitals/pharmaceutical companies are the reason for all of these problems. But no one has the balls to do anything about it.

Lawyers are another huuuuge problem. You ever wonder why you need an x-ray, cat scan, MRI, a full lab work up, all for when you go to the ER for a migraine. It's because Dr.s can't miss a diagnosis without fear of a lawsuit. That in turn drives up malpractice insurance, which drives up Dr salary, which in turn drives up costs.

 

Hospitals employ hundreds/thousands of people. People who are college educated and in demand, so they demand high salaries/wages. Dr.s, lab techs, x-ray techs, MRI techs, nurses, pharmacists, nurse practitioners, social workers, PA's, IT department, helicopter pilots, etc etc. Those people get paid very well.

 

I worked in an oncology pharmacy, and I can tell you the markup of drug costs are sickening, but it's also needed to help pay salaries, lawsuits, new equipment, equipment repairs. Technology is always changing, and always expensive.

[NewbieJr 540]

Weren't you suppose to be somewhere on vacation this week or last week? You have NOT stopped posting to indicate so. We can only assume you lied (again) about going somewhere

Yes. Flew to Charlotte. Thursday night June 15th to Father's Day June 18th. Thanks for asking. As well as your obsession with my life.

[Djgb13 2,338]

Yes. Flew to Charlotte. Thursday night June 15th to Father's Day June 18th. Thanks for asking. As well as your obsession with my life.

Could've fooled me with the amount of posting you've been doing nonstop. I'm not going to bother and check but I'm sure you have ATLEAST 50 posts from those days.

[Voltaire 4,556]

Hoping this dies in the Senate and stays dead, unlike the House version which came back from the grave to pass.

 

At present, things are looking like the law is in trouble with the CBO score giving it bad marks and enough GOP Senators saying they won't support bringing it up for a vote. We'll see, if it's not passed by the 4th of July recess, there's a good chance it won't pass at all. Hopefully a silver stake goes into the heart of the bill killing it permanently, and then we move on to hopefully seeing tax reform fail too.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,618]

Yes. Flew to Charlotte. Thursday night June 15th to Father's Day June 18th. Thanks for asking. As well as your obsession with my life.

Yeah, people are obsessed. Or maybe you tell us about every stupid thing you do?

[NewbieJr 540]

Could've fooled me with the amount of posting you've been doing nonstop. I'm not going to bother and check but I'm sure you have ATLEAST 50 posts from those days.

LOl You should go check my post counts and the time of day I posted during that time. If you don't have surgery to perform. Or a minor league baseball game to play.

[NewbieJr 540]

Yeah, people are obsessed. Or maybe you tell us about every stupid thing you do?

Ummm, how was your carnival/fair the other night? Much more exciting than a flight to Charlotte.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,618]

Ummm, how was your carnival/fair the other night? Much more exciting than a flight to Charlotte.

Well, the carnival had carnies. Your girl with the extra toe would have fit right in.

[Djgb13 2,338]

LOl You should go check my post counts and the time of day I posted during that time. If you don't have surgery to perform. Or a minor league baseball game to play.

Sorry but I was busy interviewing for PA school that day and was down in Charleston so I wasn't on here at all. But I'm sure you were and if someone who actually cares would fact check you on this then I feel sure we'd find you are full of sh1t and were on here a lot

[NewbieJr 540]

Well, the carnival had carnies. Your girl with the extra toe would have fit right in.

Awwww. I think it's adorable that you have to convince yourself of falsehoods to alleviate the pain that my wonderful life gives you. If it helps, she's 300 pounds and has teeth missing.

[NewbieJr 540]

Sorry but I was busy interviewing for PA school that day and was down in Charleston so I wasn't on here at all. But I'm sure you were and if someone who actually cares would fact check you on this then I feel sure we'd find you are full of sh1t and were on here a lot

Was that before or after your minor league baseball game? And was there surgery scheduled that day, Doc?

[Djgb13 2,338]

Was that before or after your minor league baseball game? And was there surgery scheduled that day, Doc?

Nice comeback. After being revealed to be a liar you have to resort to insults. Sorry bub but unlike you, I don't live my life on this site and actually get out to enjoy it. Kind of sad really that you spend almost every waking moment here just so you can complain about trump

[5-Points 2,726]

My honest opinions on healthcare are kinda split. First and foremost, healthcare is a privilege not a right. Second, there should be no mandate.

 

Now, the liberal part of me says if healthcare costs are going to continue to rise, premiums rise, middle class getting hammered by taxes, young/healthy people refusing to purchase until needed, government just throwing money at it. If this trend continues, just go to single payer and get it over with.

I disagree, to an extent. I file health care under "The right to life..." We have a right to life and the right to the availability of medical treatment to preserve that life. We also have a responsibility to pay for it when it is necessary.

 

I do agree there should be no mandate. Pyramid schemes only work for those at the top.

[Djgb13 2,338]

I disagree, to an extent. I file health care under "The right to life..." We have a right to life and the right to the availability of medical treatment to preserve that life. We also have a responsibility to pay for it when it is necessary.

 

I do agree there should be no mandate. Pyramid schemes only work for those at the top.

Exactly. You have a right to the access of healthcare and quality healthcare. No one should foot the bill for you. Now that being said the prices for treatments should be scaled WAY down. The same with tuition and textbooks for college. If people lose their free health insurance then they should pay to get some. You aren't owed anything in this life. Only vets, disabled (legit disabled people), and the elderly should have their healthcare taken care of. People with life threatening conditions should be able to have stuff done at an affordable cost

[KSB2424 3,082]

The problem is the current model is not sustainable long term, premiums are rising more than they thought and we'll prolly have to sell Michigan on lay-a-way to pay for it.

 

But lowering costs mean making cuts, and once an entitlement is, well, entitled it's political suicide to go back.

 

So while this Bill cuts the deficit like 300 Billion by 2026 and the CBO predicts Premiums for us would be 20% LESS than under the current Obamacare model in 2026, it does make cuts to medicare and 20 million people who are insured would probably not automatically be (they'd have to go find their own).

 

So we're stuck in Purgatory.

[NewbieJr 540]

Nice comeback. After being revealed to be a liar you have to resort to insults. Sorry bub but unlike you, I don't live my life on this site and actually get out to enjoy it. Kind of sad really that you spend almost every waking moment here just so you can complain about trump

Are you claiming I wasn't in Charlotte? LOL Why wouldn't I just say Greece or France? You pick the dumbest stuff to be wrong about.

[Alias Detective 1,179]

I think 21 million who won't have coverage likely should not have had WELFARE begin with.

 

I also think the top few who are getting the tax cut is ridiculous. That said, how many of those getting a tax break have already giving substantial assets to charity?

 

 

"At least $365 billion of giving has been pledged by 139 individuals"