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[snatchem]

Dallas oline will be much better, murry was a complete stud when he had a healthy fulback.. now he has 2. Bryant has been lighing it up in camp and Miles and Witten are healthy. All RB's have a health risk so I may go with my gut feeling.... that Murry will be a homerun hit !

[420allstars]

Dallas oline will be much better, murry was a complete stud when he had a healthy fulback.. now he has 2. Bryant has been lighing it up in camp and Miles and Witten are healthy. All RB's have a health risk so I may go with my gut feeling.... that Murry will be a homerun hit !

1st overall? why

If he is really your target (and I dont knock you for going out on a limb) why not trade back? even the 1.12, 2.01 turn would secure him for you IMO..

[snatchem]

1st overall? why

If he is really your target (and I dont knock you for going out on a limb) why not trade back? even the 1.12, 2.01 turn would secure him for you IMO..

your right.. i could reach and trade out for like the 6th pick to be sure

[travis_henrys_baby_momma]

Jerry Jones still has a hard-on for Felix:

http://espn.go.com/b...rt-of-firepower

[lexdizzle]

buyer beware. here is the report from rotoworld when he was drafted

Cowboys selected Oklahoma RB DeMarco Murray with the No. 71 overall pick in the 2011 NFL draft.

Murray has a big name, but his game toward the end of his college career was thoroughly unimpressive. Extremely injury prone, Murray averaged just 4.24 yards per carry in his final two seasons. It's possible Murray's body is already breaking down after nearly 1,000 touches in college. The Cowboys still felt compelled to gamble on his good-looking, on-paper size-speed combo at 6'0/213 with 4.4 speed. He's also a very good pass catcher.

if im going to risk a top pick with a rb that is injury prone, id rather have mcfadden, but will pass on both unless the price is right

[Frozenbeernuts]

Why would you pass on the highest point per game running back who has done it 2 years in a row, or last years best overall back that never misses a game, or a rb who had 20 td last year with a horse shat o line, or a rb who 3 years ago ran for over 2000 yards and is still in his prime? For a guy who had 2 td. Nooooo way. Personally i would swap draft positions with one of the late drafters.

[GreenTD]

Unless you've got the Delorean gassed up & the dial set for 1995, there's no Dallas running back worth drafting #1 overall.

[stonewall]

Dallas homer much?

If so, remember that homerism generally fails in FF epically.
If not, than by all means go with your gut. It is always possible that he leads the league this year in FF RB production....and if so, you look like a genious.

[travis_henrys_baby_momma]

Why would you pass on the highest point per game running back who has done it 2 years in a row, or last years best overall back that never misses a game, or a rb who had 20 td last year with a horse shat o line, or a rb who 3 years ago ran for over 2000 yards and is still in his prime? For a guy who had 2 td. Nooooo way. Personally i would swap draft positions with one of the late drafters.

This.

[polecatt]

Trade down but I don't blame you for considering him at least close to that high. A good Dallas RB can be a fantasy juggernaut. Look at what Marion Barber did with half Murray's talent. Then you see the bar Emmitt set. Murray could easily be a top 5 RB if healthy.

[Jarvis Basnight]

1st overall? why

If he is really your target (and I dont knock you for going out on a limb) why not trade back? even the 1.12, 2.01 turn would secure him for you IMO..

Why not just take Foster then Murray in the 2nd? Or, if Murray's gone, offer Foster to the Murray owner. I'm guessing he'd be willing to give you Murray and another solid player for Foster.

[FeelingMN]

I applaud your willingness to buck the trend and just take the guy you "should" take. Screw that. Fantasy is more fun when you make your own decisions anyway.

Having said that, I agree with others who say you should trade the pick (or Foster) for another pick and still get Murray. You're in a very good position to make someone overpay. Capitalize on it.

Good luck.

[WhiteWonder]

Dallas oline will be much better, murry was a complete stud when he had a healthy fulback.. now he has 2.

vickers and? fiametta is now in new england

[GreenTD]

Why not just take Foster then Murray in the 2nd? Or, if Murray's gone, offer Foster to the Murray owner. I'm guessing he'd be willing to give you Murray and another solid player for Foster.

This.

[49ER MAN]

Dallas oline will be much better, murry was a complete stud when he had a healthy fulback.. now he has 2. Bryant has been lighing it up in camp and Miles and Witten are healthy. All RB's have a health risk so I may go with my gut feeling.... that Murry will be a homerun hit !

He started out like a house of fire and then faded. He does have good upside but do you believe he has McCoy/Rice/Foster type upside? Felix Jones is still in the mix even though he's more injury prone than Murray. I like Murray's upside but in order to fulfill his potential, he of course has to stay healthy.

[sirensong]

This.

double this. i'm as big a dallas fan as you can get, but there's no way i'd consider drafting murray in the first--especially at 1.01. while the personnel have improved, the best case for dallas is 4 out of 5 OLmen starting at new positions. one of the FA guard acquisitions (bernadeaux) will not be ready to start camp (hip surgery). free has a horrible season last year at OT, and it was largely due to technique breakdowns. t. smith is 21 years old, and is switching to the most difficult spot on the line. livings should be an upgrade from kosier, but the center position still looks weak and there's little depth.

and felix.

and murray's extensive injury history.

and dallas' 4 TDs from RBs last season.

and guys like foster/rice/mccoy who have already demonstrated their elite production.

and most importantly, the fact that murray will be available later in the draft. i mean, you could land calvin at 1.05 and probably still grab murray in the second.



this thread is a paradigm case of the concept that your first round pick won't win your league for you, but it can damn sure lose it for you.

[Matt Mueller]

double this. i'm as big a dallas fan as you can get, but there's no way i'd consider drafting murray in the first--especially at 1.01. while the personnel have improved, the best case for dallas is 4 out of 5 OLmen starting at new positions. one of the FA guard acquisitions (bernadeaux) will not be ready to start camp (hip surgery). free has a horrible season last year at OT, and it was largely due to technique breakdowns. t. smith is 21 years old, and is switching to the most difficult spot on the line. livings should be an upgrade from kosier, but the center position still looks weak and there's little depth.

and felix.

and murray's extensive injury history.

and dallas' 4 TDs from RBs last season.

and guys like foster/rice/mccoy who have already demonstrated their elite production.

and most importantly, the fact that murray will be available later in the draft. i mean, you could land calvin at 1.05 and probably still grab murray in the second.



this thread is a paradigm case of the concept that your first round pick won't win your league for you, but it can damn sure lose it for you.

Regarding the tds. Murray had 2 and Felix had 1. Did another rb score for dallas last year?

The consensus #1 pick scored 3 in one game.

[sirensong]

Regarding the tds. Murray had 2 and Felix had 1. Did another rb score for dallas last year?

tanner, i believe. romo had the only other rushing TD, for a team total of 5.

one of murray's was the 93-yarder, and i think the other was from the 8. so that's only 3 rushing TDs inside the 5, and one of those on a QB sneak.

[Matt Mueller]

tanner, i believe. romo had the only other rushing TD, for a team total of 5.

one of murray's was the 93-yarder, and i think the other was from the 8. so that's only 3 rushing TDs inside the 5, and one of those on a QB sneak.

Just checked. Dallas as a team was ranked 18th in rushing and 30th in rushing tds last year.

[Raider 84]

This should be in the VERY BOLD thread.

[thesitedoc]

One of the main tenets of drafting is to maximize value with each pick. DeMarco will not go round 1 nor round 2 so grab two other ranked players and then draft him r3 and you have just drafted 2 first round picks if your thoughts on demarco pan out.

[giraldi02]

If he won't be available by the time you draft again, go for it. If you truly do feel that he will not only perform like the best overall players AS WELL AS if you don't think you could flip a higher rated player for Murray and another player then do it. The key is, as many have said, to optimize value at each and every draft pick. If you take Murray at number 1 overall then you need to hope that he will be among the upper-echelon of players. He doesn't need to BE the number one overall player, but he needs to be among them. The common phrase is, "You won't win with your number one pick, but you can lose with it."

A concern of mine would be whether he can handle a full season being a lead back. Additionally, how much will Felix Jones factor into the offense? A coach might not trust him, Romo might not trust him, and the doctors might not trust him...but Jerruh Jones LOVES him some Felix. When I factor in health as well as competition, I think you could go a safer route than Murray, regardless of him possibly being the lead back to your favorite team. That remains true for each and every fantasy player. You must look at each and every player through the same set of unbiased eyes.

Foster, Rice, and McCoy all offer a higher FLOOR than Murray as well as all being reliable health wise with limited to no competition in the backfield. After the first couple picks, chaos occasionally ensues. More often than not, the first couple picks will remain constant. For you, I'd try to bank on the chaos aspect and hope he falls to you with your second pick. Murray should perform well this season, but I don't see him outperforming either of those three aforementioned players on a per game basis nor for the overall season totals.

[Frozenbeernuts]

One of the main tenets of drafting is to maximize value with each pick. DeMarco will not go round 1 nor round 2 so grab two other ranked players and then draft him r3 and you have just drafted 2 first round picks if your thoughts on demarco pan out.

He wont go rnd 2? You cant say that for sure. He has the first pick anyway so it doesnt matter if he uses his 2nd or 3rd rnd pick. I would trade draft spots entirely, preferably with a middle draft position.