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This is crazy. Mayo clinic held patient 'hostage'.

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Theres a lot thats wrong with what mayo did. The lawsuit is going to be hefty. No patient advocate, emotional abuse, wrongful imprisonment, assault, battery (its as simple as a BP cuff being too tight when taking BP so Im sure a lawyer can work that in there), etc. Im sure the family isnt 100% innocent but Mayo is still VERY much in the wrong here

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Sounded like the mother was batsh!t crazy.

Oh Im sure. I feel positive the family was extremely difficult to work with and they pitched fits. They arent 100% guilt free. However, the Mayo Clinic is still in the wrong

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I'm going to hold off on judging this until Pen gives his professional opinion.

he supports doctors kidnapping kids.

He did in the last one.

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We dont have all the details, but this sounds like the Pelletier case except the patient is technically an adult.

True however the hospital deemed her mentally unfit to make decisions on her own. That combined with them trying to take custody of her would have led them to be able to do what they wanted with her. They banned the family from being there, banned her from having contact with them (at least her mom), seized her personal possessions such as phone, iPad, and computer so she couldnt have contact with them, etc. Family even had an attorney send the Mayo Clinic a document demanding that she be transferred and they ignored it. Overall, the hospital failed horribly and theres a MAJOR lawsuit they are going to have to deal with. Even other doctors and attorneys who looked at the records have said the hospital is in the wrong. So the family should have a pretty good case against them. Depending on what else they did the family could also throw in illegal restraint. The nurse grabbing the girl and trying to keep her from leaving in the video could also be used as an example of battery on he girl. Doctors, nurses, and NAs doing things without consent, not informing the family of what they are doing, not consulting them or explaining what they are doing and why, etc. All big no nos and things that a lawsuit can stem from. The representative of the Mayo Clinic said that if the girls signs a medical info release then the rep would answer any questions the reporters would ask. The girl signed one but then the rep backpeddled and said they wouldnt answer any questions for the safety of the patient. In other words, the girl called their bluff and they had to backpeddle and say they actually wont answer any questions. Im eager to see if the family actually pursues a lawsuit cause I know I sure as hell would.

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True however the hospital deemed her mentally unfit to make decisions on her own. That combined with them trying to take custody of her would have led them to be able to do what they wanted with her. They banned the family from being there, banned her from having contact with them (at least her mom), seized her personal possessions such as phone, iPad, and computer so she couldnt have contact with them, etc. Family even had an attorney send the Mayo Clinic a document demanding that she be transferred and they ignored it. Overall, the hospital failed horribly and theres a MAJOR lawsuit they are going to have to deal with. Even other doctors and attorneys who looked at the records have said the hospital is in the wrong. So the family should have a pretty good case against them. Depending on what else they did the family could also throw in illegal restraint. The nurse grabbing the girl and trying to keep her from leaving in the video could also be used as an example of battery on he girl. Doctors, nurses, and NAs doing things without consent, not informing the family of what they are doing, not consulting them or explaining what they are doing and why, etc. All big no nos and things that a lawsuit can stem from. The representative of the Mayo Clinic said that if the girls signs a medical info release then the rep would answer any questions the reporters would ask. The girl signed one but then the rep backpeddled and said they wouldnt answer any questions for the safety of the patient. In other words, the girl called their bluff and they had to backpeddle and say they actually wont answer any questions. Im eager to see if the family actually pursues a lawsuit cause I know I sure as hell would.

They’ll be a lawsuit, but I’m sure there are good reasons they determined she lacked capacity and the family wasn’t suited to be surrogate decision makers. The Pelletier case was over 5 years ago and neither the doctors nor hospital involved have paid anything, either because their actions had merit or the health care facility’s lawyer are pulling the wool over the legal system eyes.

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Looks like there's a article challenging all this on CNN. But, since I didn't read the first one, it seems only fair not to read the second one.

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CNN’s two-part series, “Escape from the Mayo Clinic,” told the story of a caper straight out of a movie plot.

 

There was Alyssa Gilderhus, an 18-year-old high school senior from Sherburn, who was recovering from a Christmas Day aneurysm at Rochester’s Mayo Clinic. There was her mother, Amber Engebretson, who reportedly had been badgering doctors with questions and suggestions for Alyssa’s care until she was barred from the hospital

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Requests for transfer to a new facility had been denied, and behind the scenes, Mayo had been filing for emergency guardianship for Alyssa. Looking back, her family says if something hadn’t been done, they might have lost her forever.

So the scheme was hatched. They feigned a visit from Alyssa’s frail Grandma Betty, who was too weak to make the trip to the hospital room. Then they wheeled Alyssa down to the parking lot, where her mother was waiting with a van, and swept her inside. She was finally going home, her mother promised. They sped away.

 

Mayo called the police to report a patient abduction, but officers said they couldn’t see any foul play. This was just an adult patient leaving the hospital with the help of her family.

But now that cinematic tale of maternal heroism has been called into question.

 

When the article was first released, Mayo was a mostly silent figure in the story. Yesterday, the hospital fired back, saying it’s “inaccurate” and “irresponsible,” and “lacks context that CNN was provided, but chose not to investigate or report.”

Mayo describes a four-hour meeting between the hospital and CNN reporters before the story was published, in which doctors gave their side of the story. They worried Amber was unwilling to learn to care for her daughter once Alyssa was released, that she’d resisted the doctor’s advice to take Alyssa off opioids, even that she was “physically aggressive” with Mayo staff.

 

Mayo spokesperson Ginger Plumbo says Amber yelled at staff to “get the ###### out of the room” numerous times, grabbed a doctor by the arm and “seemed ready to throw a punch,” and requested narcotics even though Alyssa hadn’t reported excess pain. Plumbo says Amber told the doctors that she “wanted to get some sleep” and so asked for Alyssa to be sedated.

 

MPR also reports that last month, a Martin County judge ordered Alyssa’s five younger half-siblings be removed from Amber’s care, citing allegations of neglect and abuse -- both emotional and physical. In late July, when a county official stopped by their Sherburn home to see whether any abuse was happening, Amber tested positive for methamphetamines and amphetamines. The kids were placed in the care of Alyssa’s stepfather, Duane Engebretson.

 

That’s why Mayo says doctors kicked Amber out and requested emergency guardianship for Alyssa. They say she was a vulnerable adult who could not make her own medical decisions, and they thought she needed someone more responsible than Amber to make them for her.

 

Mayo did receive a request for a transfer to a different hospital, but they say the family didn’t specify where they wanted to send Alyssa. After the doctors developed a new care plan, the family said they’d no longer require a transfer.

Mayo says CNN knew about all this, and even alleges that reporters knew about the family’s plan to spirit Alyssa away from the hospital before it happened.

 

“We provided a lot of information about the mother’s abuse on the daughter,” Plumbo says. “We provided all that background to CNN, and they ignored it and released the story anyway.”

 

Duane and Amber are reportedly separated now, but he told MPR News he stands by the CNN story and never saw Amber hurt Alyssa. Neither Amber, Duane, nor CNN have responded to City Pages’ requests for comment.

 

CNN says Mayo’s written response was inaccurate and incomplete, but hasn’t corrected any specific aspect of the statement. Plumbo says the news agency hasn’t been in touch with them, and they don’t have any plans to initiate legal action. They ordinarily wouldn’t be revealing any of this information due to patient privacy policies, but the CNN story was a special circumstance.

 

“Our primary concern for this patient all along was her safety and her care,” she says. “We really took this unusual step so the truth would be known.”

 

Crazy mother. Called it.

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Crazy mother. Called it.

Not a tough call. Its pretty difficult to declare patients lacking in decisional capacity, and hospitals dont willy-nilly abduct patients.

 

Meanwhile, abusive trailer trash drug addicts arent in short supply.

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Crazy mother. Called it.

A lot of stuff not lining up between what the family says as well as the daughter and what the hospital says. Itll be interesting when this is all investigated thoroughly

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