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Without government interference the free market would continue to deliver a healthcare system thats overpriced and delivers poor outcomes with millions of uninsured. The free market has failed on healthcare for 30+ years.

Obamacare doubled and tripled prices. :dunno:

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Obamacare doubled and tripled prices. :dunno:

The ACA increased prices but I seriously doubt it doubled them. Obunglercare was bad legislation but Republicans who think revoking it is going to make HC costs go down are lying or retarded.

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The ACA increased prices but I seriously doubt it doubled them. Obunglercare was bad legislation but Republicans who think revoking it is going to make HC costs go down are lying or retarded.

But they can stop them from doubling every four years.

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The ACA increased prices but I seriously doubt it doubled them. Obunglercare was bad legislation but Republicans who think revoking it is going to make HC costs go down are lying or retarded.

If you ever paid for your own insurance, you would know, it more than doubled them. Sad, but Obamacare focked up prices so bad by giving insurance companies all the leverage, that it's true, they never have to lower them. Taking the mandate away may lower them some.

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If you ever paid for your own insurance, you would know, it more than doubled them. Sad, but Obamacare focked up prices so bad by giving insurance companies all the leverage, that it's true, they never have to lower them. Taking the mandate away may lower them some.

The ACA was bad legislation but our HC system was failing for many years before it and without changes it will continue to fail after it. We have a system that costs a higher % of GDP than nearly anywhere else, with millions of people uninsured, and almost nobody can afford to buy their own coverage without an employer subsidizing it.

 

If youve got a solution to fixing it I am all ears. These problems all existed before Obungler.

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The ACA was bad legislation but our HC system was failing for many years before it and without changes it will continue to fail after it. We have a system that costs a higher % of GDP than nearly anywhere else, with millions of people uninsured, and almost nobody can afford to buy their own coverage without an employer subsidizing it.

 

If youve got a solution to fixing it I am all ears. These problems all existed before Obungler.

The "problem" prior to the ACA was lack of coverage. Which was overblown, because 90% of Americans had coverage. Most of who didn't were non Americans, pre-existing conditions, and 20 somethings. In other words, the system was working fine, but needed a couple of tweaks, not a major overhaul. HC is essentially about "pools", state exchanges have tried (and failed) to establish pools. The reason, too many people get insurance through their companies, which is not a bad thing, but it leaves too many payers out of the equation. The ONLY way to fix the ACA, IMO, was to eliminate private payers all together and require everyone into the exchanges. The would create the size pools needed for insurers to lower rates. That is my solution and at least I have one.

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Without government interference the free market would continue to deliver a healthcare system thats overpriced and delivers poor outcomes with millions of uninsured. The free market has failed on healthcare for 30+ years.

 

Incorrect. it is government interference that delivers overpriced care. The free market starts out expensive but mediates over time, the regulated market has failed us for 30+ years

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The "problem" prior to the ACA was lack of coverage.

The problem was actually rapidly escalating premiums. At least according to this source, premiums went up at a faster rate during Bushs term in office than after the ACA:

 

https://www.factcheck.org/2015/02/slower-premium-growth-under-obama/

 

Quick graph:

 

https://cdn.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/2015/02/kff-chart.png

 

Healthcare costs were increasing at an unsustainable pace before, during, and after Obummer. The ACA was bad but it didnt create this problem.

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Without government interference the free market would continue to deliver a healthcare system thats overpriced and delivers poor outcomes with millions of uninsured. The free market has failed on healthcare for 30+ years.

I have excellent HI. My only fear is that the socialists in NY mess with it. Speak for yourself.

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The problem was actually rapidly escalating premiums. At least according to this source, premiums went up at a faster rate during Bushs term in office than after the ACA:

 

https://www.factcheck.org/2015/02/slower-premium-growth-under-obama/

 

Quick graph:

 

https://cdn.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/2015/02/kff-chart.png

 

Healthcare costs were increasing at an unsustainable pace before, during, and after Obummer. The ACA was bad but it didnt create this problem.

 

No it did not, it was the government regulatory practices that led to the problem and ultimately the need for ACA.

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Without government interference the free market would continue to deliver a healthcare system thats overpriced and delivers poor outcomes with millions of uninsured. The free market has failed on healthcare for 30+ years.

 

If we had a free market in health care, what would happen is rival pharmaceutical companies would make drugs that do the same for cheaper causing a price war. Rival medical equipment manufacturers would flood the market with cheaper equipment causing a price war. More medical schools would open up to pump out doctors, nurses, and other medical practitioners to compete for the insane dollars on the market causing a price war.

 

The hallmark of a free market is price wars driving costs down. We don't see price wars because health care is a HIGHLY regulated market that is VERY far from being free.

 

Currently there exists an upper limit on the cost of health care. That is the point where its cheaper to buy a round trip ticket and fly overseas to get the same quality of medical care somewhere else, followed by the slow realization among the American people that going overseas is the best option. There should be a time delay in this process, where medical tourism becomes significantly cheaper and nothing happens for several years, and then the flood gates open and everyone suddenly starts flying overseas all at once as people get informed and get over their fears. THEN we might see radical change to the health care system in the US as they suddenly face bankruptcy with hospitals emptying out.

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If we had a free market in health care, what would happen is rival pharmaceutical companies would make drugs that do the same for cheaper causing a price war. Rival medical equipment manufacturers would flood the market with cheaper equipment causing a price war. More medical schools would open up to pump out doctors, nurses, and other medical practitioners to compete for the insane dollars on the market causing a price war.

 

The hallmark of a free market is price wars driving costs down. We don't see price wars because health care is a HIGHLY regulated market that is VERY far from being free.

 

Currently there exists an upper limit on the cost of health care. That is the point where its cheaper to buy a round trip ticket and fly overseas to get the same quality of medical care somewhere else, followed by the slow realization among the American people that going overseas is the best option. There should be a time delay in this process, where medical tourism becomes significantly cheaper and nothing happens for several years, and then the flood gates open and everyone suddenly starts flying overseas all at once as people get informed and get over their fears. THEN we might see radical change to the health care system in the US as they suddenly face bankruptcy with hospitals emptying out.

 

Pretty much spot on, but would also note that innovations tend to result as well.

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Boston? Why doesn't she talk like she has a hare-lip?

 

She also just proposed a 70% tax on something. Just heard that. Unless it's on revenue from Hollywood, STFUP.

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No disputing that one. She could really get some things done in Congress if she knows how to use those things. :banana:

T1ts out. Mouth shut. Everybody wins.

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I'll always think of Boston as a soft, immature city. This video shows why.

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I'll always think of Boston as a soft, immature city. This video shows why.

 

We have over 100 colleges and Universities in the city. It is a young, idealistic (and immature) city during the school months. Of course, there is some amazing scenery too. :banana:

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We have over 100 colleges and Universities in the city. It is a young, idealistic (and immature) city during the school months. Of course, there is some amazing scenery too. :banana:

Soft too. I remember being told by my Masshole platoon mates all about the combat zone in Boston. I laughed when I went there. Then I heard all about Southie. Oooooh, don't wear your Yankee hat there. I could have put on the whole uniform if I wanted to. Then it was "be careful at Fenway". I Piss on Fenway. No really, I did.

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Soft too. I remember being told by my Masshole platoon mates all about the combat zone in Boston. I laughed when I went there. Then I heard all about Southie. Oooooh, don't wear your Yankee hat there. I could have put on the whole uniform if I wanted to. Then it was "be careful at Fenway". I Piss on Fenway. No really, I did.

 

You didn't go to Roxbury or Dorchester.

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You didn't go to Roxbury or Dorchester.

Which is the one where they put the blacks? Roxbury?

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Both of those places are pretty dark.

Yeah, never went there. Got thrown out of the Black Rose in 1990. Us Giant fans were a bit too rowdy.

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Why is it that we could round up communists back in the day but these socialists are allowed in Congress? They are equally dangerous.

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She tosses out a 70% tax on superrich. This girl will be the darling of the socialists.

Art of the deal. She will settle for 50%. :bandana:

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Love her even more after this. She is so cute in that video. Great dance version by AOC from the classic scene in The Breakfast Club.

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Love her even more after this. She is so cute in that video. Great dance version by AOC from the classic scene in The Breakfast Club.

Wow. The standards are set really low on this site.

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60 Minutes tonight.

 

Yep, it's going to be a nothing more than a softball, liberal love piece gushing over her. Expect ZERO tough questions or follow ups.

 

Money quote: "Whats not reality is what we are currently living in". Wait, so our current reality is NOT reality? This girl is a freakin' idiot.

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Poor little socialist from Yorktown NY, which no one would ever confuse for the Bronx, and went to Boston University and her father is an architect. How did she ever overcome the odds?

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Poor little socialist from Yorktown NY, which no one would ever confuse for the Bronx, and went to Boston University and her father is an architect. How did she ever overcome the odds?

I'm sure lil miss horse face blew her way to the top.

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