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Been flipping around. Deliberately trying to avoid the news stations. But even other stations like History Channel and whatever they're airing audio tapes of the fighter jets and all the other miscellaneous stuff that you guys have seen over the last 17 years.

 

I still can't watch it.

 

I can be jaded as heck about everything that happened from 9-12 Forward, but, like I said, still can't watch this stuff almost 20 years later.

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I remember that I first learned about it here, when a thread popped up, so I turned on the radio to listen to the news......and before the radio even announced it someone posted here that another plane hit the second tower, and everyone just knew what was up at that point.

 

Something made me get up from my desk and just look outside my office up and down the hallway, and I found that almost every other office was doing the same thing, all of us looking at each other with the WTF look on our faces.....

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Happened while I was spending a week at my parents house. Remember I was watching ER and a commercial came on, so I started switching around and saw the news. Was watching a watching a news desk that looked like it was set up with a view overlooking both towers(probably a green screen). Anyway i'm watching this, the newscasters are talking about trying to get info on how this plane could have hit the building when in the background you see the 2nd plane hit the other tower. Then for 30 completely surreal seconds, these two newscasters completely unaware are talking about the first impact...it was unreal.

 

Then there is this moment when you can see the anchor is getting the information about the 2nd tower --- felt like I was watching a horror movie in slow motion.

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I still find it fascinating. Looking back it's hard to believe only one plane's passengers fought back.

I don't think it really is. Heck back then no one thought this would happen. Sure we had all heard of hijackings, but usually you get flown to Cuba or something and eventually, you get released. I doubt many on the plane had any idea what was going on. PLUS...you're on a plane..You can't see out the front windows, unlikely anyone on the first two knew they wee being flown into a building.

 

The ones that fought back had better intel.

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I don't think it really is. Heck back then no one thought this would happen. Sure we had all heard of hijackings, but usually you get flown to Cuba or something and eventually, you get released. I doubt many on the plane had any idea what was going on. PLUS...you're on a plane..You can't see out the front windows, unlikely anyone on the first two knew they wee being flown into a building.

 

The ones that fought back had better intel.

The big question is...Could it happen again? I'm thinking no. At least not without a fight.

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Took my 7yo son to get a haircut and dinner last night. It was just the two of us. During dinner I decided to talk to him about it (not in gory details, but the overall story). He's always looked up to firefighters and police officers as we have one of each that live on our block, but I think he really gained a newfound respect for them after hearing they risked, and gave, their lives to save other people. That's a conversation I don't think I'll ever forget.

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I still find it fascinating. Looking back it's hard to believe only one plane's passengers fought back.

I can see it.

 

Flight 93 had the benefit of people telling them other planes had already been crashed into buildings.. Flights 11 and 175 had no prior knowledge of that - nor had anyone ever really seen it done before... I think if roles were reversed, and Flight 11 was the last in the air - they prolly would have.

 

What I can't believe is that it took so long to get fighter cover over NY and DC.

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The big question is...Could it happen again? I'm thinking no. At least not without a fight.

if you read up on these things, you'll find that the single biggest Factor isn't the absolutely worthless TSA bullshiit where they consistently fail 90-95 percent of the time everytime they're tested.

 

Across-the-board, the general consensus is the one thing that is a consistent Factor in this never happening again the fact that we hardened the cockpit doors.

 

The reason I know this is because it pisses me off. Because that wasn't a new idea. That idea had been known about and floated for years and years and years prior. But the airlines pushed back because they just couldn't afford it. Fuccking .

 

Yeah, both the pilots and the passengers knowing the potential these days helps. For example, a terrorist could take 10 kids hostage in first class and threaten the pilot if he doesn't open the door, he still won't do it. And of course, passengers are more likely to fight back these days. The , they fight for any reason these days. Honestly, the single biggest factor is hardening the cockpit doors.

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What I can't believe is that it took so long to get fighter cover over NY and DC.

You know why? They actually have the cockpit tapes of this. It's because we had standard Scramble protocols back then. And that's protocols called for defense of the perimeter. Meaning, get in your bird and get the over water as fast as you can. And that's what they did.

 

And by the time the guys in the towers knew what was going on, they literally said what the hell are you doing over there? They had to retask them back to Washington and New York.

 

And by then...

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I remember 6 months to the day they aired a documentary hosted by DeNiro called 9/11.It was 2 French brothers who were actually filming a doc about firemen and happened to be filming that day and got some unbelievable footage.

 

Here's a clip right before plane 1 hit as they were on a call of a gas leak.NOTE there is some language

 

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I remember 6 months to the day they aired a documentary hosted by DeNiro called 9/11.It was 2 French brothers who were actually filming a doc about firemen and happened to be filming that day and got some unbelievable footage.

 

Here's a clip right before plane 1 hit as they were on a call of a gas leak.NOTE there is some language

 

 

Just incredible.

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Thats pretty great footage, must have been scary as hell. Still seems like the plane crashing wouldnt bring the building down like that. Would just cause a bunch of wreckage on those floors.

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Police Officer Moira Smith NYPD was observed helping people out of tower 1 before it fell. After escorting a group of people to safety she returned into the building while it was burning. After the building collapsed her pleas for help could be heard over the citywide radio frequency. Many people heard her as she faded away. The 911 dispatcher that was talking to her as she was dying was a wreck. Moira left behind a 2 year old daughter and a husband. RIP sister. You did good.

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Thats pretty great footage, must have been scary as hell. Still seems like the plane crashing wouldnt bring the building down like that. Would just cause a bunch of wreckage on those floors.

Keep believing the conspiracy theories, kid.

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Just incredible.

 

 

Thats pretty great footage, must have been scary as hell. Still seems like the plane crashing wouldnt bring the building down like that. Would just cause a bunch of wreckage on those floors.

I found the full documentary on YouTube,.at the 38 minute mark the footage from inside one of the towers start.Not to be over dramatic but it's not an easy watch as the sound of bodies hitting is sickening.Personally,I've never seen this documentary since its first airing and have looked for it each year.

 

NOTE...keep in mind this was originally two French brothers who were making a documentary on firefighters and just happened to be there on 9/11 and IMO captured the most intense footage I've ever witnessed of the tragedy.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bDN5iVXD7E

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I found the full documentary on YouTube,.at the 38 minute mark the footage from inside one of the towers start.Not to be over dramatic but it's not an easy watch as the sound of bodies hitting is sickening.Personally,I've never seen this documentary since its first airing and have looked for it each year.

 

NOTE...keep in mind this was originally two French brothers who were making a documentary on firefighters and just happened to be there on 9/11 and IMO captured the most intense footage I've ever witnessed of the tragedy.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bDN5iVXD7E

I watched this when it first was released... Very interesting stuff...

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Keep believing the conspiracy theories, kid.

Nah no conspiracy. I just marvel at how the buildings fell with such grace and straight down, almost as if it was an organized demolition. Lucky for Bush he had just invested a bunch into a defense company that made bajillions after. Funny how random things just work out like that.

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Police Officer Moira Smith NYPD was observed helping people out of tower 1 before it fell. After escorting a group of people to safety she returned into the building while it was burning. After the building collapsed her pleas for help could be heard over the citywide radio frequency. Many people heard her as she faded away. The 911 dispatcher that was talking to her as she was dying was a wreck. Moira left behind a 2 year old daughter and a husband. RIP sister. You did good.

 

You made me cry motherfocker. :(

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We had a bee infestation in our wall; I had gotten up early to meet the exterminator when he arrived. I was eating breakfast when my wife walked in about 30 minutes later and mumbled, "a plane flew into the Twin Towers." Our radio was tuned to a sports station but that day transcended formats. We turned on the TV and started watching the coverage. Then we saw the second plane hit. As others have said, at that point we knew we were at war.

 

In grade school I was in a gifted program; there were 12 of us who stayed together for 6 years. One of those 12 died in the towers.

 

All air travel was shut down. My VP of sales lived in the Bay Area and had a daughter getting married in NC. He and his wife hopped in their car and just started heading east. Somewhere around Missouri they opened up the airports and they flew back.

 

A few weeks later we flew to South Carolina for our daughter's baptism. My inlaws lived near and know the family of Jeremy Glick from flight 93.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Glick

 

His widow and newborn were at the party for my daughter's baptism. It was surreal.

 

Also at the party we snuck into a room with a TV to watch the DBacks play the Braves. The DBacks went on the win the WS over the Yankees. It is probably the only time in the history of baseball that anyone outside of NY rooted for the Yankees. I almost feel bad about us beating them. Almost...

 

Never forget. :thumbsup:

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The DBacks went on the win the WS over the Yankees. It is probably the only time in the history of baseball that anyone outside of NY rooted for the Yankees. I almost feel bad about us beating them. Almost...

Nope... I will NEVER root for a New York team in any sport... Absolutely no reason to do so...

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We had a bee infestation in our wall; I had gotten up early to meet the exterminator when he arrived. I was eating breakfast when my wife walked in about 30 minutes later and mumbled, "a plane flew into the Twin Towers." Our radio was tuned to a sports station but that day transcended formats. We turned on the TV and started watching the coverage. Then we saw the second plane hit. As others have said, at that point we knew we were at war.

 

In grade school I was in a gifted program; there were 12 of us who stayed together for 6 years. One of those 12 died in the towers.

 

All air travel was shut down. My VP of sales lived in the Bay Area and had a daughter getting married in NC. He and his wife hopped in their car and just started heading east. Somewhere around Missouri they opened up the airports and they flew back.

 

A few weeks later we flew to South Carolina for our daughter's baptism. My inlaws lived near and know the family of Jeremy Glick from flight 93.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Glick

 

His widow and newborn were at the party for my daughter's baptism. It was surreal.

 

Also at the party we snuck into a room with a TV to watch the DBacks play the Braves. The DBacks went on the win the WS over the Yankees. It is probably the only time in the history of baseball that anyone outside of NY rooted for the Yankees. I almost feel bad about us beating them. Almost...

 

Never forget. :thumbsup:

Jeter shouldn't have been playing so deep. Damn you Luis Gonzalez! All time great series, bothers me the least of all the big Yankee losses. Shillings mystique and aura line was awesome

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It all makes me sick, and especially the official story.

 

No matter who is responsible, it's pure evil and I hope those responsible rot in hell!

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Our nation was united back then. Uniformed services and the Military were respected. Now liberals have turned a bunch of idiot kids against cops and their own country, with help from the likes of Obama. They love Muslims who hate us more than cops who die for us. Sad.

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Nah no conspiracy. I just marvel at how the buildings fell with such grace and straight down, almost as if it was an organized demolition. Lucky for Bush he had just invested a bunch into a defense company that made bajillions after. Funny how random things just work out like that.

 

Like I said....

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Happened during my fellowship, while I was rounding. Paid more attention to the TVs in the rooms than actual patient care. In the weeks that followed there was an uncomfortable tension whenever dealing with middle eastern patients.

 

My co-fellow was Jordanian, and he was pretty vocal in discussing the politics of the region. Shortly after 9/11, he got into a heated argument with a guest speaker regarding the US' military action - he insisted the best way to decrease future terrorist action was to stop meddling in the ME.

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I was in Windows of the World (forget which Tower) September 9.

 

A lot of the staff there perished that day. They were hosting a (lack of a better term) Old lady bruncheon. I knew a lot of them.

 

Fast forward. My son (born 5 months after 9/11) was so taken back in his first visit to Freedom Tower this summer he went back 4 times since. Mostly bringing different freinds to visit.

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There was a guy with same name as me that died. To this day my wife receives mail to the widow of Mike Shots.

 

Eerie

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Well, at least somebody found a silver lining on 9/11.

 

 

"40 Wall Street (trumps) actually was the second tallest building in downtown Manhattan, and it was actually, before the World Trade Center, was the tallest. And then, when they built the World Trade Center, it became known as the second tallest.

 

 

And now its the tallest."

DjT. 9/11/01

 

All class I tell ya.

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Well, at least somebody found a silver lining on 9/11.

 

 

40 Wall Street (trumps) actually was the second tallest building in downtown Manhattan, and it was actually, before the World Trade Center, was the tallest. And then, when they built the World Trade Center, it became known as the second tallest.

 

 

And now its the tallest.

 

DjT. 9/11/01

 

All class I tell ya.

You couldn't help yourself. Sick, sick man.

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Well, at least somebody found a silver lining on 9/11.

 

 

"40 Wall Street (trumps) actually was the second tallest building in downtown Manhattan, and it was actually, before the World Trade Center, was the tallest. And then, when they built the World Trade Center, it became known as the second tallest.

 

 

And now its the tallest."

DjT. 9/11/01

 

All class I tell ya.

Years later, the same thing happened to him again when Hillary imploded.

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That World Series after 9/11 between the Yankees and Diamondbacks was one of the greatest sporting events in history, both the games themselves and the healing it brought to NYC and the country.

 

 

 

Back when the left had respect for the flag, the anthem, and those who have served this country.

 

 

It is really sad seeing how far this country has fallen since 2001. If an attack like that occurred today the media and about 20% of the population would take the side of the terrorists and spit on the graves of the first responders.

 

There was a thread over at communistguys where they debated if Trump was worse for the country than 9/11. Many of them said yes.

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Well, at least somebody found a silver lining on 9/11.

 

 

"40 Wall Street (trumps) actually was the second tallest building in downtown Manhattan, and it was actually, before the World Trade Center, was the tallest. And then, when they built the World Trade Center, it became known as the second tallest.

 

 

And now its the tallest."

DjT. 9/11/01

 

All class I tell ya.

 

Thank goodness you tied your TDS into this thread, you focking kunt. :thumbsdown:

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Well, at least somebody found a silver lining on 9/11.

 

 

"40 Wall Street (trumps) actually was the second tallest building in downtown Manhattan, and it was actually, before the World Trade Center, was the tallest. And then, when they built the World Trade Center, it became known as the second tallest.

 

 

And now its the tallest."

DjT. 9/11/01

 

All class I tell ya.

Exhibit A of the classless and hateful media and the useful idiots who eat it up.

 

Hundreds of media outlets put out this story today?

 

Nazi level propaganda.

 

It is exactly this type of stuff that causes people to vote for Trump.

 

 

Here is the video that all of the Nazi rags are quoting from:

 

 

Wiff, I hate to make suicide jokes given your family history, but you really are a shitty human being.

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